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Bring back the old design in 2013

I just can't see why they changed the 2012 so drastically. Don't want to hyrt any feeling here. Just sayin

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2012 what????????

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Don't want to hurt any feelings about the 2012 but the old design looked a whole lot better.

I wanted to trade mine in until I saw the new design.

I am just sayin.

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Stopped making the K1200 lt in 09

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I just can't see why they changed the 2012 so drastically. Don't want to hyrt any feeling here. Just sayin


I assume that you are talking about the LT. I agree. I rode one and it is very different, more to the sporty side that luxury touring if you ask me. It is an awesome bike but I would miss reverse, and the storage in the tank among other things.

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If your talking about the K1600, we got a forum for that. You can read about all the comparisons to the K1200 and all the comments about how it doesn't compare. Take a look.

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I so agree with you, bring back the k1200LT!
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Seriously, I told everyone on this site before, and I'll repeat it again here, the K1600GTL is a place holder for the next real KLT. I have an inside source. Trust me. Don't count on it for 2012, it'll be 2013 or 2014 but the K1600 platform will be used for a new BMW luxo-tourer. It'll be a K1600LT, no "G". an it'll be as beautiful as the K1200LT but have the power, handling, "flickability" of the K1600GT(L). It will have better weather protection, better heat control, more comfort, and an integrated body style worthy of the Honda Pacific Coast and the BMW K1200LT.
Keep riding your K1200LT. Wait for the K1600LT. Let all the K1600GT(L) pioneers (we love you guys) give feedback to BMW regarding the new K1600.... and then you'll see the new "Wing killer".
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I so hope you are right
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I just can't see why they changed the 2012 so drastically. Don't want to hyrt any feeling here. Just sayin
And I think "they" should bring back the 63 Vette, the 65 Mustang, the 49 MGTC, the '68 Camaro.....just sayin'.
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Seriously, I told everyone on this site before, and I'll repeat it again here, the K1600GTL is a place holder for the next real KLT. I have an inside source. Trust me. Don't count on it for 2012, it'll be 2013 or 2014 but the K1600 platform will be used for a new BMW luxo-tourer. It'll be a K1600LT, no "G". an it'll be as beautiful as the K1200LT but have the power, handling, "flickability" of the K1600GT(L). It will have better weather protection, better heat control, more comfort, and an integrated body style worthy of the Honda Pacific Coast and the BMW K1200LT.
Keep riding your K1200LT. Wait for the K1600LT. Let all the K1600GT(L) pioneers (we love you guys) give feedback to BMW regarding the new K1600.... and then you'll see the new "Wing killer".


That sounds awesome!!! I'll be waiting!!

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And I think "they" should bring back the 65 Mustang, the '68 Camaro.....just sayin'.
Been to a new car lot lately? Maybe even a used car lot? 2011 Mustang looks an awful lot like the 68. Camaro does too.

And I'm partial to the K1200 LT too.

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Yep! There's a big gap at the top of the lineup that'll need to be filled. I can wait till 2014... No problem!

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Here here!

And Keith you are absolutely correct. Hurt feelings aside the LT is a better looking ride than the current K16's.

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And I think "they" should bring back the 63 Vette, the 65 Mustang, the 49 MGTC, the '68 Camaro.....just sayin'.

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And Keith you are absolutely correct. Hurt feelings aside the LT is a better looking ride than the current K16's.

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Seriously, I told everyone on this site before, and I'll repeat it again here, the K1600GTL is a place holder for the next real KLT. I have an inside source. Trust me. Don't count on it for 2012, it'll be 2013 or 2014 but the K1600 platform will be used for a new BMW luxo-tourer. It'll be a K1600LT, no "G". an it'll be as beautiful as the K1200LT but have the power, handling, "flickability" of the K1600GT(L). It will have better weather protection, better heat control, more comfort, and an integrated body style worthy of the Honda Pacific Coast and the BMW K1200LT.
Keep riding your K1200LT. Wait for the K1600LT. Let all the K1600GT(L) pioneers (we love you guys) give feedback to BMW regarding the new K1600.... and then you'll see the new "Wing killer".
Interesting, but I am still keeping my 09 LT.

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It is interesting to read some of the "What don't you like about the K1600" threads here and on other forums. I'll bet that if you dig deep enough, there were similar threads on the K1200LT when it first came out and for the next few years.

Now look at those threads and then look at the new K1600 and I'll also bet that many of the things that people didn't like about the K1200LT have been fixed and are now in the K1600.

I know that for me, there were things that I didn't like about the K1200LT and there were also things that I wished for.

That now is the K1600. Not ALL, but many.

I know, I made an emotional decision and now I'm trying to justify it with logic!

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Been to a new car lot lately? Maybe even a used car lot? 2011 Mustang looks an awful lot like the 68. Camaro does too.

And I'm partial to the K1200 LT too.
I have one of those




I'm on my 3rd K1200LT but it is time to update the old girl. She's great on the open highway but she's too top heavy, needs more power and has way to many inherit faults.
It is time for a new LT and IMO the GTL is heading in the right direction.

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You think they would have taken a cue from the Honda Goldwing and made it more luxury and with better luggage space.

But no... Knowing full well there would be apologists and their market of "BMW can do no wrong" followers... They simply made a bike that can't compete with the Goldwing or Harley now in the luxury class.

My wife and I sat on it and she even said, "What the heck? I'm even higher behind you now? Where's the wind protection on this bike? Even the backrest and seat is sportier."

Oh well, looks like a 2009 LT or Goldwing is in my future next year.


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Geez Jack, you ARE a ray of sunshine on an otherwise cloudy day!!
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When I mile out the LT, I'm really going to be screwed. The woman does not like the seat or hand grips on the GTL, and the wing cripples me. The LT did as well, but with some aftermarket parts it really became a great ride. None of the aftermarket parts I've seen or tried for the wing was able to make it significantly better. I would be crippled at the end of a long ride. My FJR suits me perfectly, but kills the woman. I hope they do come out with a new LT, but I'm not going to hold my breath.
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"My FJR suits me perfectly, but kills the woman."

You might want to look into putting some upgraded suspension on that FJR. My son-in-law and I are getting ready to install some Wilbers from Ted Porter on his '07 FJR. That and a decent seat might make all the difference.
If he gets off his butt and we install the shocks, I can let you know how it does.
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Unfortunately I have gone that route. I'm now on the third aftermarket seat for the feejer, and I tried modifying the rear passenger pegs for her. I had the rear shock replaced by one of the local custom shops where I live and it did help to a limited degree. The biggest problem as far as I've been able to figure out is that at 5'10", she just doesn't have the leg room or the room between the two of us to keep her comfortable. The LT was the perfect fit for her. Even though she was pretty happy riding on the wing, she much preferred the LT. I now have a seat and highway pegs on the Feejer that make it PERFECT for me. I can easily put over 1000 miles a day on that machine with no issues at all. I'll keep it just the way it sits now, and hope that one day someone comes out with a 4 or more cylinder intercontinental ballistic dresser that suits my needs. The GTL is a great machine, but like many of the sport touring machines, lacks somewhat in passenger comfort and accessories.
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Good news!!!! I hope you are right

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Seriously, I told everyone on this site before, and I'll repeat it again here, the K1600GTL is a place holder for the next real KLT. I have an inside source. Trust me. Don't count on it for 2012, it'll be 2013 or 2014 but the K1600 platform will be used for a new BMW luxo-tourer. It'll be a K1600LT, no "G". an it'll be as beautiful as the K1200LT but have the power, handling, "flickability" of the K1600GT(L). It will have better weather protection, better heat control, more comfort, and an integrated body style worthy of the Honda Pacific Coast and the BMW K1200LT.
Keep riding your K1200LT. Wait for the K1600LT. Let all the K1600GT(L) pioneers (we love you guys) give feedback to BMW regarding the new K1600.... and then you'll see the new "Wing killer".

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I seem to recall a few years back at either CCR or BMWMOA rally a BMW Rep asking us what we wanted for a replacement of the K1200LT. I'm a little older now and memory sometimes fade but - just about everything the guys & gals in the session said they wanted is on the K1600. I guess someday was listening! I loved my two LTs and my new GTL love affair is growing. Then again, I loved every bike I have ever owned to include my Honda 350, & Suzuki GS750 (water buffalo). Ride what you enjoy. BTW - there is actually more useable storage on the K1600.

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BTW - there is actually more useable storage on the K1600.
It seems like less, based upon what I normally used to carry with me on my K1200LT! I think there is more on the sides though but it leans and items inside tend to slide out, unless anchored, but less up top.

Could be the way it is configured.

I can get my new Schuberth in the side and on top, but it just barely clears the top lid.

Must be optical confusion!

But I'm not complaining........

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Seriously, I told everyone on this site before, and I'll repeat it again here, the K1600GTL is a place holder for the next real KLT. I have an inside source. Trust me. Don't count on it for 2012, it'll be 2013 or 2014 but the K1600 platform will be used for a new BMW luxo-tourer. It'll be a K1600LT, no "G". an it'll be as beautiful as the K1200LT but have the power, handling, "flickability" of the K1600GT(L). It will have better weather protection, better heat control, more comfort, and an integrated body style worthy of the Honda Pacific Coast and the BMW K1200LT.
Keep riding your K1200LT. Wait for the K1600LT. Let all the K1600GT(L) pioneers (we love you guys) give feedback to BMW regarding the new K1600.... and then you'll see the new "Wing killer".

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I too, hope you are right about a 2014 1600-1800LT.

The 1600 GT is a darn nice bike. Looks good. The GTL looks like about 90 minutes of design work after the GT was finished and not all of it lined up, but they left it that way and went home, anyhow.

I love the K1200LT, and the 07 is too new a friend to trade. I do wish there were more tire options. If I had to trade it today, it would probably be for the Wing. The K1600GTL electronics are nice, and the ride is a hoot, but the narrow saddle cuts into my legs the wrong way and the GTL front-end vs back-end design gaf still reminds me of a mullet.

I do stand in awe of the 90 degree offset on the valve stem on the BMW 1600's wheels. The iPad connector is another great feature.

Dan, I think a lot of the things that were said about the first LTs were correct. They were fixed later.

The GTL does have a small advantage in space. Whether it is usable space is debatable. You can take the bags off, but when you remove the top, you remove the passenger backrest. When you remove the side bags, you loose the tiny bit of tip over protection you get. The seat height is nice for those who, like me, are inseam challenged. I wonder what those of us who are long of limb will do after 300 miles. No place to hang jpegs and I am not sure where mic-o-pegs would go, with no wing and the oil can head in the way. But there are some ingenious aftermarket folks out there. They did do a nice job lighting up the front of the GTL. It looks like motolights on the LT, only they do not turn. Well, there is the mirrored headlight. I enjoyed the test ride. But it is a sport touring bike like the older GT.

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I'll bet that if you dig deep enough, there were similar threads on the K1200LT when it first came out and for the next few years.

Now look at those threads and then look at the new K1600 and I'll also bet that many of the things that people didn't like about the K1200LT have been fixed and are now in the K1600.

Dan,


I was around back then ... riding a K1100LT. The naysayers called the LT a Barcalounger or an Elephant (reference to the Elephant motorcycle) in leotards. Way too much tupperware and too many gadgets , they said. I bought an LT anyways. Time will tell how the new kid on the block holds up.

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Seriously, I told everyone on this site before, and I'll repeat it again here, the K1600GTL is a place holder for the next real KLT. I have an inside source. Trust me. Don't count on it for 2012, it'll be 2013 or 2014 but the K1600 platform will be used for a new BMW luxo-tourer. It'll be a K1600LT, no "G". an it'll be as beautiful as the K1200LT but have the power, handling, "flickability" of the K1600GT(L). It will have better weather protection, better heat control, more comfort, and an integrated body style worthy of the Honda Pacific Coast and the BMW K1200LT.
Keep riding your K1200LT. Wait for the K1600LT. Let all the K1600GT(L) pioneers (we love you guys) give feedback to BMW regarding the new K1600.... and then you'll see the new "Wing killer".
When I first read this I said: Really?
Then I started thinking about how the new 1600 GT/GTL was a K1200/1300 Killer.
I owned a 2006 1200 KGT, awesome bike just not it for the long haul like my 2009 LT.

Would the fatherland bring out a new LT with the 1600 GTL so fresh..............................
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