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I finally got around to installing the angle vale stem I bought, here's some pics
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Those are great. I would be better at checking my tire pressure with those. Where did ya get em?

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Great job....Have you tried them on the front wheel? I was wondering if they clear the rotors on the front properly?

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Now that's funny. I went to look up the company that makes these valve stems, and they're 2.2 miles from my house. Who knew?

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I bought two from the local Honda shop for about 4-5$ each and will get them installed as soon as it's time for new tires. They seem to be rugged enough and are quite small.

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I finally got around to installing the angle vale stem I bought, here's some pics
Hey, Tom - question for ya. Did any of the paperwork with the angled valve stem say anythang about only using 'em to fill the tire?? That they aren't for road use??

Reason I ax is; 4 or 5 years ago, I wuz looking for some of those and found two sets by 2 manufacturers, both of which said 'only use for airing up the tires'. I thought that wuz weird, cuz I know several Wing/Valkyrie riders that have 'em on their scoots and they didn't understand why the disclaimer. Then after we got to looking at their units, we noticed that the horizontal portion of the stem wuz in line with the rim; not pointing to the side. AND, that portion of the stem wuz supported by a yoke affair (like a wee leetle slingshot). All we could figger out wuz, that it wuz designed to overcome the centrifugal force generated by the wheel rotation at speed and the yoke took the strain off of the horizontal portion of the stem. Have no idea if we were right or wrong, butt those guyz are still using those stems.

Just wonderin' if maybe there have been upgrades that have eliminated that disclaimer? Thanks, Tom - enjoy checking tire pressures now!!
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I haven't used the stems......I decided against it after reading about incidents where the stems would eventually break the valve stem base because of the centrifugal force over time. I could understand why someone would use a support with them. That's the only way to make them safe that I can see. I'm surprised to see so many LT owners using them. I'd be interested to see a long term results survey on failure rates....????

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My Valkyrie came with the angled valve stems as a stock item. Never had a problem with them. Never even heard of anyone having a problem with them either.
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I finally got around to installing the angle vale stem I bought, here's some pics
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Did you have to cut some of the ridge in the rear rim away to get them to fit. It doesnt look like you did. I have been looking for some (straight ones) that would fit without cutting the rim.
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I know this thread is about the valve stem but what's with all the wheel weights? I've never needed that much to balance a wheel/tire.

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I haven't used the stems......I decided against it after reading about incidents where the stems would eventually break the valve stem base because of the centrifugal force over time. I could understand why someone would use a support with them. That's the only way to make them safe that I can see. I'm surprised to see so many LT owners using them. I'd be interested to see a long term results survey on failure rates....????
I tend to agree. I use an angled pressure gauge instead.

The brass angled stems that BMW makes specifically say that they are not to be left on, they are only an aid for filling the tires. The design is different though, since they are a true 90 degree bend, much longer and don't have any support at the base - they simply screw on to the existing stems.

I think the one's Tom came up with are safe and the bonus is they are all metal...and made in the USA, NOT the People's Republic...

I'm putting some on at my next tire change, the known failures of the BMW OEM rubber stems are spooky.


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I finally got around to installing the angle vale stem I bought, here's some pics
Hey Tom, were all those weights needed because of the new stems?


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I know this thread is about the valve stem but what's with all the wheel weights? I've never needed that much to balance a wheel/tire.
Are those really wheel weights? Expecially at that location!! Maybe Tom has a SmarTire system installed - although even that seems unlikely to need that much off-setting weight. Or maybe it's for one of those bicycle-type speedo thangies?

Anyway, you guyz in the bidness may see these types of wheel weights normally, butt Toad never has; we've alwayz had the flat bar-stock type of weights that resemble pewter or lead.

--- I notice that the opposing ?weights? don't have the same profile, fwiw. Also, I looked at MCenterprisesusa. com's website and couldn't find the angled valve stems listed - thought they might have the disclaimer covered there, butt not. However, with Tom's wrenching experience, I'm assuming everythang is a-ok with this item.

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My Valkyrie had angled valve stems as well. It also had plastic
valve stem "hold"(Honda's word) retainer clips.

I replaced them at 12,000 miles with new tires. The plastic clips had shown
wear from the stem throwing out against them.

I have heard of people having failures with the clips missing. (Gold Wing Magazine)

You had to support the stem or you could break the clip especially getting
brittle over time.

Don't mean to be an alarmist just be aware. Here's a link showing
Hondas part.

http://www.hondaonlineparts.com/showView.asp?pid=1987&prd=Valkyrie|GL1500CT-Valkyrie%20Tourer|1998

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Although listed as a Connie part, you might want to call this guy and see what he has:

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I know this thread is about the valve stem but what's with all the wheel weights? I've never needed that much to balance a wheel/tire.
I told Tom that he shouldn't set his beer on the wheel when he's balancing it...but he won't listen to me!

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Those are great. I would be better at checking my tire pressure with those. Where did ya get em?
I picked them up at my local indy V-twin shop my friend owns, the website is on the package in the pics though

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Great job....Have you tried them on the front wheel? I was wondering if they clear the rotors on the front properly?

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no I havn;t done the front yet as I don;t need a front tire right now, but it looks like it will clear I'll know in a month or so <g>

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Now that's funny. I went to look up the company that makes these valve stems, and they're 2.2 miles from my house. Who knew?
HAHAHAHAHa, havn't put it on the front yet, I don't need a front tire for about a month

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Hey, Tom - question for ya. Did any of the paperwork with the angled valve stem say anythang about only using 'em to fill the tire?? That they aren't for road use??
No, and I sure hope not as they bolt to the wheel from inside the rim, these are not add on angled valve stems, they are actually the complete valve stem the nut just happens to be inside the tire, i cut off the extra red lock tighted the nut and pin punched the edges to be sure they don't loosen
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Did you have to cut some of the ridge in the rear rim away to get them to fit. It doesnt look like you did. I have been looking for some (straight ones) that would fit without cutting the rim.
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Hey Tom, were all those weights needed because of the new stems?
actually no, they were on the wheel already from the last tire, when I balanced it I was shocked to see it was spot on without removing oir changing the weights,

Keep in mind though my wheel was balanced without a tire so I set it up for the heavy side of the wheel, since then I have never had to move a weight when replacing with the same brand tire it alway;s just balances right off the get go

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I told Tom that he shouldn't set his beer on the wheel when he's balancing it...but he won't listen to me!



Sh** I forgot and it was Jack not beer! <g>

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You mean you let Nicholas help you?!?!
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No the tire would have to been done OFF ROAD then!

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My Valkyrie came with the angled valve stems as a stock item. Never had a problem with them. Never even heard of anyone having a problem with them either.

in the 30yrs or so I've been into motorcycling the only ones I have seen break off are the ones that mount to a rubber stem.
These are metal all the way through the wheel, and it will get a good testing this week at about 80-85 mph for around 1300 miles.

If your worried about valve stems breaking, the smarter thing would to be either,

1) not ride a bike, cause we had the factory rubber stem
break at about 90mph on the front not long ago.

2) just run a steel straight stem and pray you never have a blowout from somthing else

3) turn the angle forward so the rotation of the wheel would have less impact on the strength of the stem and somthing else could cause a blowout

(insert humoring remark here <g>)

All kidding aside, there is always a reason I test something out on my bike, once I'm satisfied they will work out good, I will change out the striaght steel ones on the wifes bike to these

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I tend to agree. I use an angled pressure gauge instead.

The brass angled stems that BMW makes specifically say that they are not to be left on, they are only an aid for filling the tires. The design is different though, since they are a true 90 degree bend, much longer and don't have any support at the base - they simply screw on to the existing stems.

I think the one's Tom came up with are safe and the bonus is they are all metal...and made in the USA, NOT the People's Republic...

I'm putting some on at my next tire change, the known failures of the BMW OEM rubber stems are spooky.
Hi Ron, I will let you know if I see any issues regarding these stems ok
yes they are all metal not the tyupe that screw on to a rubber stem, and they seem to be pretty healthy material as well, I actually grabbed one with pliers and gave it a pretty good bend test, shit you ain't bending these easily at all! if I didn;t throw it away I will post a pic of it, but I cleaned the garage yesterday soooooo.......

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I know this thread is about the valve stem but what's with all the wheel weights? I've never needed that much to balance a wheel/tire.
It was done for convience, the wheel is actually balanced, then tire installed, since then I have not had to balance the same brand tire, I alway;s check it and they balance saves a ton of time

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Anyone looking for these can go to page 967 from the following link to the Tucker Rocky Street catalog and look in the lower right corner. MC Enterprises with a Tucker part # of 59-6945. Almost all motorcycle shops are dealers for Tucker Rocky and should be able to get them for you.

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I haven't used the stems......I decided against it after reading about incidents where the stems would eventually break the valve stem base because of the centrifugal force over time. I could understand why someone would use a support with them. That's the only way to make them safe that I can see. I'm surprised to see so many LT owners using them. I'd be interested to see a long term results survey on failure rates....????
That might be a concern, however the same thing would hold true for car wheels, wouldn't it, (reduced wheel radius notwithstanding)? I've never seen a car wheel where the stem is perpendicular to the road. You don't see legions of cars stranded on the roadside because of failed valve stems.

Granted, most shops change the stems every tire change. Maybe these angled stems should be replaced every 50K miles or so. They're cheap enough.

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Anyone looking for these can go to page 967 from the following link to the Tucker Rocky Street catalog and look in the lower right corner. MC Enterprises with a Tucker part # of 59-6945. Almost all motorcycle shops are dealers for Tucker Rocky and should be able to get them for you.

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Another good source is PatchBoy.com ).99 each for the angled stems.
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WARNING using angled stem *with* Tire Pressure Caps.

I had angled steel valve stems on my front tire a few years ago. I did not have any trouble with them UNTIL I put those Tire Pressure Caps: http://www.anythingtruck.com/commercial/tire_valve_caps.html
on my tires just before a Border to Border Insanity ride. Luckily, I checked my tires and noticed that because of the angled stem, the Tire Pressure Caps were rubbing on the brake discs and had melted/sheared down.If, just a silly little millimeter more would have sheared off, the front tire could have had a sudden loss of air. I removed the Tire Pressure Caps and gladly replaced them with the basic stock screw on caps. I now have Smart Tire monitoring system and I really like that system. No more crawling around checking tire pressures.
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I've never seen a car wheel where the stem is perpendicular to the road.
That is a really good point. Consider Semi-Trucks. On the Duals, the valve stem is parallel to the ground, and about 4-5" long. Little bigger tires, but still...

Dually pickups would have the same setup.

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I finally got around to installing the angle vale stem I bought, here's some pics
Ok I have just over 1500 miles on it and I know that is not much but so far not a propblem, and it does make it nice to fill the tire with air!

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