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Hi, I've been looking for a touring bike, after years on a harley dyna. I've ridden the LT which we both liked. I'm hearing so much about low speed tip overs and touchy front breaking, I'm seriously rethinking my choice. any words of advice? I don't want to end up on a 'wing. thanks, Al
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The LT like any "new to you" bike takes time to adjust to.
Yes it is a big pig of a bike but it is easy to get use to.
Yes it has a "high Center" of gravity but it is easy to get use to.
Yes at parking lot speed the brake are a little "touchy" but it is easy to get use to.
I've had mine for 6 years and over 60K miles of PURE enjoyment , And yes it is easy to get use to.
Just ride the LT with you SO to see if it "IS" the bike for you.

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I did have one tip-over very early in owning my LT. Since then, it has only been a matter of understanding the feel of things. Have not a single issue since that first one. It is not like the bike is fighting you all the time. As for the braking issue... I did adjust the front brake lever just a bit so that I wasn't grabbing too much brake at parking lot speeds. This still leaves plenty of brake lever when I need it. Go for it!!

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the + far outway the -

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Hi, I've been looking for a touring bike, after years on a harley dyna. I've ridden the LT which we both liked. I'm hearing so much about low speed tip overs and touchy front breaking, I'm seriously rethinking my choice. any words of advice? I don't want to end up on a 'wing. thanks, Al
If your legs are long enough (29" or so inseam) should have no issue.
My suggestion would be to go to your local dealer and take a nice long test ride and see how you like her. Bought mine the same day I test rode her 300 miles!

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I've only droped mine once and that was on a rock road that narrowed and was slopeing and my wife's big head was turned looking at a cabin while I was trying to do a walking turn around. That's once in 5yrs.
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the + far outway the -

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What Jim (loansumrider) said......

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Hi, I've been looking for a touring bike, after years on a harley dyna. I've ridden the LT which we both liked. I'm hearing so much about low speed tip overs and touchy front breaking, I'm seriously rethinking my choice. any words of advice? I don't want to end up on a 'wing. thanks, Al
Yet with everything you read on this forum 99% of us wouldn't give up our bikes.

If you go read the other brands forums you'll quickly see many of the same issues or variations thereof.

People here share their knowledge and there is a wealth of knowledge to be learned if you so choose yup we piss and moan about somethings I don't know about you but I would rather hear that then the sound of silence this is a great community take advantage of that fact

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The LT like any "new to you" bike takes time to adjust to.
Yes it is a big pig of a bike but it is easy to get use to.
Yes it has a "high Center" of gravity but it is easy to get use to.
Yes at parking lot speed the brake are a little "touchy" but it is easy to get use to.
I've had mine for 6 years and over 60K miles of PURE enjoyment , And yes it is easy to get use to.
Just ride the LT with you SO to see if it "IS" the bike for you.
+1. I am on my second LT, my first was a 99 LT I stupidly sold with 77K on the clock in 2002. Loved every mile, I now have an 09 and love it even more.

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If you want to insure that you never drop your bike, buy a 300lb scooter! The LT is as heavy as any other large tourer, but it's center of gravity is higher because BMW wanted the bike to PERFORM!!! I would bet it will out corner either the ultra or the wing easily. I came off a GL1800, and have not been intimidated one bit by the size and weight of the LT. I was however very impressed how the pounds just melt away once you get the LT rolling. I consider it to be the most fun-to-ride bike available in its class. You just need to respect its weight while stopped.

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In 2007 I rode a LT to Alaska........One of the most fear/stress full trips I ever took and it was not the bikes fault. It was this forum and all the horror stories posted here. lol

The LT rode flawless, and it was 99 with 30k on when I started the trip. Do not read into the posts. My 99 ended up being the best bike owned and wished I never sold it.

The reason I am on a wing now is because of $$$ reason. The person I bought the bike from is the owner of the school I teach at and he taking half payment by me teaching, so I only had to get half the loan, so the payment was under $100. So me wife was happy with payment, and I happy with a motorcycle.

The wing and LT are a beast at low speed. The both weigh a ton, and both get that little wiggle in the front at low speed. Practice low speed drills will give you confidence

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I've had mine go over X3 since I bought her. 2X because I was not paying attention and the third time I got blown over when the back end of the bike cleared the end of the upwind pickup in a parking lot. That big top case makes a nice sail! All three drops were at a complete stop. Once your foot clears the ground from a start she is as solid as the Rock of Gibraltar.

Total damage for three drops? $0.00.

The front brakes at low speed? I use 'em all the time and never think about it. The brakes are not touchy or twitchy but they are EXTREMELY effective at ANY speed. You do want to be vertical when she stops or she'll tuck under and go down. Just pick her up and carry on.

The low speed handling issues are just something you need to be aware of. No need to let them ruin your life. The trade off is a big, powerful, agile, comfortable motorcycle that is an absolute hoot to ride. She really churns out the miles, as would a GoldWing. One of my favorite differences is when you walk out into the parking lot it doesn't look like 25 other bikes in the lot.

One last thought. The purple ones are the prettiest and also the fastest. Don't let anyone try to tell you differently!

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If you want to insure that you never drop your bike, buy a 300lb scooter!
Ha! I drop my 30 lb BICYCLE all the time!

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The LT is as heavy as any other large tourer, but it's center of gravity is higher because BMW wanted the bike to PERFORM!!! I would bet it will out corner either the ultra or the wing easily. ... I was however very impressed how the pounds just melt away once you get the LT rolling. I consider it to be the most fun-to-ride bike available in its class. You just need to respect its weight while stopped.
What he said is pretty much the same as I would say. I dropped mine once (so far) when I was trying to push it around on the uneven brick sidewalk in my back yard. When I'm on the road I just don't have to worry about it and I don't think you will either.

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I've dropped mine once. Was doing a slow speed U-turn when a riding buddy cut in front of me. Tapped the brake and down she went. Not a big deal.
I ride with a lot of sport touring bikes, and none can outrun the LT except at top speeds. It's the best handling, most comfortable bike you'll find out there, in its or any other class.
Having said that, if you think the LT is going to be a problem for you, consider the FJR, Concours, RT, etc.
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Hi, I've been looking for a touring bike, after years on a harley dyna. I've ridden the LT which we both liked. I'm hearing so much about low speed tip overs and touchy front breaking, I'm seriously rethinking my choice. any words of advice? I don't want to end up on a 'wing. thanks, Al
I recently transitioned from a Harley Road King to the LT, as mentioned above the BMW brakes are much more sensitive and effective than the harley brakes, just be careful when going slow. The lower handle bar height also reduces your leverage somewhat. However once you get it rolling it is a blast to ride, it tracks very well on rough roads and goes where you point it.
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Don't let this concern scare you off. I just got back into riding after 20 yrs. I never had a real big heavy bike. I am 5'7" and have had a couple of close calls but haven't dropped it. Just be careful and adhere to all the advice previously mentioned and you wont have any trouble.

The advice in the archives on this site has helped me tremendously. Slow speed turns, keeping your head up and look straight ahead when coming to a stop and many more. Go through this site, practice, be careful and you will love it!!

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Like many others have said, mostly rear brake in parking lots and slow speed situations, and try to do final (read real low speed) braking while straight up. Came to this bike from an FJR and was a bit imtimidated by the size/weight, but now each time I look at it, it seems to get a little smaller. The more you ride her, the more you understand her and before long you'll completely forget her size and be riding like whatever you're on now.


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i used to own a heavy yahama and i dropped that a couple of times. dropped the beemer a couple of times also. As someone else posted when you visit these sites you always hear the problems that all bikes have, so dont let that discourage you away from a great bike
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I'm 5'7 and a 1/4. 28 inseam. First week after I bought this bike, I thought I had made a mistake. Lots of thoughts running through my head. This bike is too big for me, wife's gonna kick my ass for spending this kind of money, etc. But I stuck with it and glad I did. I still get a little frustrated working on it every now and then other than fluid changes. And why can't all torque screws have the same size bits. And so damn many. But, once the feet are on the pegs and the clutch is out, everything changes. Nothing handles and rides, or looks like an LT. Even my wife looks forward to the next ride. She's retiring the end of May, and we are looking forward to putting many more states on my little sig map. No regrets.

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I'm #21 post so ditto 19 times.
My '10 LT was preceded by '85 Goldwing so I am used to some weight and size. The big contrast is the handling especially on the highway (hey touring . . .) very impressive. Before I got it I had tried my buddy's original '87 K100LT and could not believe its lean angle in curves and its agility. That bike was an LT on a diet - - 500 pounds. One more thing it would fly speedometer reads 160 MPH. Anyway I asked him if he would trade an his answer NO! So the LT is the best hands down. The more you ride it the more you get used to it and don't want to give it up. Just make sure it fits right.
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As we used to say in the Navy..."a bitchin' sailor is a happy sailor".

There is lots of happiness on this forum.

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From the first time I through a leg over the saddle, I was hooked. I don't miss the loud pipes, and rumbling. It's a great ride and I hate it when I have to shut down for gas. The SO likes to stop a little more often so that helps remind me to hydrate...................Once you get used to the steering geometry, you'll be amazed how much fun the twisties will be............



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I am currently riding a 1994 r100rs. I am picking up a 2005 LT tomorrow and i am nervous about such a big bike too but the one i test rode was just so dang comfortable that i will deal with my nerves.
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I dropped my 1986 HD FXRS a few time. Once cause I forgot to put the kick stand down.

My LT has been down a few times; forgot to put the kick stand up while backing out of my garage.

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Pearls of wisdom on this forum.
My 2001 LT is the first bike I've owned since my triumph Bonneville in 1969. I bought the LT used and on impulse...love at first sight. When I started reading the forums--after I bought the bike--I was very apprehensive about laying her down. I bought Maximum Control by Pat Hahn and checked out all of the sage advice on this forum. Armed with practical how-tos and 'not-tos', I've been making it a point to practice low speed maneuvering at every opportunity. I live in Chicago, and low speed maneuvering during rush hour is a way of life! I also recommend Bob Hough's books. With this bike, or any other for that matter, you really have to put your head in the game before turning the key. All the pluses far outweigh the negatives of this baby. It is a joy to ride!

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Fear not. I rode a Dyna Superglide for 11 years. Purchased the LT in November of last year and have found it to be an exceptional ride. The main thing I am concerned about is exceeding the speed limit. The big beast is so smooth and quiet I will be way over the posted speed limit and not realize it. At 100 MPH the radio is as clear as it is at 25 MPH.
I am continually amazed how the external speakers sound as if they are in my helmet.
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Just be sure to go in with your eyes open and know the costs and benefits. The LT is a wonderful machine once it gets moving and if speed and performance are important to you it can be a fine thing. I leapt into buying one that was admittedly a good deal but I have found the downsides outweigh the benefits (for me).
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I don't think you're scared really, perhaps just apprehensive. I've had my 02 for about 18 months now and it is hands down the most delightful motorcycle I have purchased in the last 40 years. I didn't even test ride it; too scared. Trailered it home in the freezing rain and parked it for three days before I rode it; didn't even go a whole block before I was giddy. I use it to get groceries, play with the cars on the freeway, putt around on the back roads, and it seems to lose half it's weight at speed. Afternoon rides always end up being at least a hundred miles and it's the first BMW I've had that actually seems to have a soul. Riding in the rain is a delight and the bike seems to get physically smaller each time i ride it. I will never regret getting this motorcycle.
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I don't think you're scared really, perhaps just apprehensive. I've had my 02 for about 18 months now and it is hands down the most delightful motorcycle I have purchased in the last 40 years. I didn't even test ride it; too scared. Trailered it home in the freezing rain and parked it for three days before I rode it; didn't even go a whole block before I was giddy. I use it to get groceries, play with the cars on the freeway, putt around on the back roads, and it seems to lose half it's weight at speed. Afternoon rides always end up being at least a hundred miles and it's the first BMW I've had that actually seems to have a soul. Riding in the rain is a delight and the bike seems to get physically smaller each time i ride it. I will never regret getting this motorcycle.
Talk about parallels! I did the same thing...rode it after I bought it. Now I look for excuses to run errands...5 miles turns into 100! I make it a point to practice my low speed maneuvers in a local parking lot with every ride. Absolutely no regrets.

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Just being aware of the slow speed manuvers your 90 percent there, low speeds and turning at first just dont touch the front brake,,, after awhile youll get comfortable and will master the front brake by feathering it while riding...matthew
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Alrom...

Put all the negative to one side and listen to the Post's above...

I bought my LT last August having ridden an ST1100 for a few years and if I had listened to my mates I'd still be wishing !! Instead I'm lapping it up... I didn't test ride her at all, I just handed over the money, signed the log book and rode her the 120 miles home with the biggest grin I have ever had

It will do everything you ask of her and more, yes she is heavy but not to heavy to handle. The turning circle is big but so is your grin when out on the open road. I find my LT effortless to ride, I put her into a corner and she sails through them, I haven't found any bends to scrape the pegs yet but I will and she will lap it up... Every bike has a different character and the LT is no different but your GRIN will be

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Ah, the power of words!!!!

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Re: you guys are scaring me off!!

There isn't anything out there to "replace" it with.

BMW...Best Motorcycles in the World...period.

The reason you see alot of bitchin on here is for the simple reason that, some people only come on here when they have a problem. Take me for example, I haven't been on for months, until I smoked my clutch and needed help from the guys on here to repair it myself.

Go to the GW forum...same shit. Put it this way, if you GAVE me a GW, I would trailer it to the nearest BMW dealer to see what they would give me towards a new LT.

Good luck man,

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Re: you guys are scaring me off!!

Wuss!

Look at any Harley Forum and you will see Harley owners whining about this or that about their bikes. Everyone has the right to whine. BMWLT Owners are no different yet we all love our bikes.

I agree with what was posted earlier- ride the LT and you will throughly enjoy it- warts and all.

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Re: you guys are scaring me off!!

Dropped mine backing in the driveway once when tired and messing with the reverse gear downhill. The second drop was by taking it off the center stand when it never should have been put there on too much side to side off angle. So I dropped my Ultra in the driveway also. I'm going to blame it on my stupid driveway to make me feel better. It's going to happen with any heavy bike when you don't pay attention.

Every time I ride the bike I realize that it's the ride that makes this bike. It's much more fun than either of my Harleys were. Once you start moving the suspension and brakes keep the bike fun and as safe as you can be on a motorcycle. My wife is comfortable on the bike and likes to come along.

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Re: you guys are scaring me off!!

In February of 2010, I moved up to the LT from a 800cc cruiser (Suzuki Boulevard). Initially, I felt some apprehension about the size and weight. Now, some 25K miles later, I don't have any concerns about riding this beautiful machine. On my way to the Ozark mountains next weekend to let her have some fun. As others noted, just pay attention at parking lot speed and you shouldn't have any problems. Ride safe!

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Re: you guys are scaring me off!!

Since you are coming from years of riding the Harley Dyna, you will need to make friends with the LT. It has ABS brakes and as with all bikes with ABS, you will need to get the feel of them. I would recommend a trip to an empty parking lot and a little practice on your stops and turns and you will get it in no time.

I am 5 foot 4 inches and have a 27" inseam. I put the lower seat kit on it and the height is not a problem. I've been riding the LT for almost 3 years and love it. Hubby has a Wing but my LT is a keeper.

You should at least take a test ride and decide for yourself. The ride will convince you more than anything else.

Happy shopping!


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