New or Used 2009 LT need input - BMW Luxury Touring Community
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
post #1 of 25 Old Oct 15th, 2010, 1:35 pm Thread Starter
Senior Member
 
pauleknight's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Oviedo , FL, USA
Posts: 1,079
New or Used 2009 LT need input

OK, so I bought my first LT on a whim it is a 1999, it looked REALLY cool and it was a "steal" and I did not know if I would like it so a used one for a steal seamed like the way to "try one on for size".

It was sort of an impulse buy.

Now after many miles I love the bike, have discovered that I like riding the beast and really love putting 500 miles on her in a day. The problem is that I want a NEW ONE. One that is mine from the start! I would consider the VERY low miles 2009 as mostly new...

I have my old one sold and have two options on a 2009

The local dealer has a new 2009 for $18.9K (The BMW website says that they have a free $1250 in BMW gear with all 2009 LT purchases)

A local person has a 2009 with 3500 miles and is asking $16K (I believe that I can get it for $15K) In Service date of Dec 2008, so it has 14 months of warranty and 33K miles left.

I have cash in hand for the used bike.

So considering that it will be a $4000 price Delta and a loss of 2 years of warranty.

What to do? What to do

Oh and to throw a monkey wrench to the whole deal, there is a 2003 with 3K miles on it down the street also. Of course it is out of warranty but the seller wanted $8K for it.

2009 K1200LT The Черный заяц 2 March '12 -
2008 R1200GSA Dec'11 - March '12 (sold)
2009 K1200LT The Черный заяц Nov '10 - Nov '11 (sold )
2000 K1200LT Flying Purple Mile Eater May '10 - Nov '10 (sold)
2005 VTX1300s Nov '09 - Nov '10 (sold)


To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

Last edited by pauleknight; Oct 15th, 2010 at 4:12 pm.
pauleknight is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
post #2 of 25 Old Oct 15th, 2010, 2:53 pm
Senior Member
 
hkeithmurray's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Troy, Michigan, USA IBA#48803
Posts: 169
Garage
Re: New or Used 2009 LT need input

Personally, I would by the used 2009 and pocket the $4k for any unlikely expenses in the remaining warranty period.

Essentially you are playing the odds that you will spend less than $4k in the remaining 33k miles of warranty.

However, if really want to own it from new, just walk into the dealer and tell him to wrap up a brand new 2009 for me please

Either way you will have a great bike!

H. Keith Murray

To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

Troy, Michigan 48085
IBA #48803
MOA / TCD

2016 BMW R1200 GS Adventure - White (Thumper)
SOLD - 2014 BMW R1200RT - Quartz Blue (RockeT)
SOLD - 2007 Honda GL1800 ABS/Nav - Platinum (RV)
SOLD - 2014 Yamaha FZ09 - Volunteer Orange (Vol)
SOLD - 2002 K1200LT - Pacific Blue (Slick)
SOLD - 2005 HD Road King Classic - Chopper Blue & Sunglo Blue (Boss)
SOLD - 2001 Kawasaki Concours - Sonic Blue (Conc)
SOLD - 2001 Kawasaki ZXR1200R - Team Green (Zip)
hkeithmurray is offline  
post #3 of 25 Old Oct 15th, 2010, 2:54 pm
Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Houma, La, USA
Posts: 41
Re: New or Used 2009 LT need input

What year was your old one?

I'd compare your loss vs. gain of features probably more. I understand that pre-'05 vs post-'05 is a common question. I got my '03 LT Custom for $6800, It did have 60K miles on it. But honestly it rides as smooth as glass. Seeing the features that the post-'05 LTs have, I kinda second guess myself.

But either way, I got two of most wanted bikes in my drive way; A Yamaha V-Max and a BMW K1200-LT.

And honestly, I'd kill for a '08/'09 LT. But right now oil field is next to nill.
69stalker is offline  
 
post #4 of 25 Old Oct 15th, 2010, 3:24 pm
Senior Member
 
Boatzo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Hartfield, VA, USA
Posts: 1,105
Re: New or Used 2009 LT need input

Paul,

I'd go for the used 09 depending on the service history. IMHO, a used low mileage bike has had most of the failures corrected under warranty. Should spell less down time for you. Maybe you could get an extended warranty for a price?

I'd pass on the 03 especially at that price.

Let us know what hapenz.

Bill
Eastern Virginia (Middle Peninsula)
K3ZXV
05 Honda Sabre 1100
04 Triumph Speedmaster , Black with
California Sidecar Friendship II
99 K1200LT, Basalt Gray "DELILAH" (SOLD)
99 R1100RT ,Glacier Green (SOLD
To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
)
Boatzo is offline  
post #5 of 25 Old Oct 15th, 2010, 3:28 pm
Senior Member
 
MattKas's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: San Clemente, CA, USA
Posts: 1,185
Re: New or Used 2009 LT need input

I would go with used 2009 provided that it has no issues.

Quote:
Originally Posted by pauleknight
OK, so I bought my LT on a whim, it looked REALLY cool and it was a "steal" and I did not know if I would like it so a used one for a steal seamed like the way to "try one on for size".

It was sort of an impulse buy.

Now after many miles I love the bike, have discovered that I like riding the beast and really love putting 500 miles on her in a day. The problem is that I want a NEW ONE. One that is mine from the start! I would consider the VERY low miles 2009 as mostly new...

I have my old one sold and have two options on a 2009

The local dealer has a new 2009 for $18.9K (The BMW website says that they have a free $1250 in BMW gear with all 2009 LT purchases)

A local person has a 2009 with 3500 miles and is asking $16K (I believe that I can get it for $15K) In Service date of Dec 2008, so it has 14 months of warranty and 33K miles left.

I have cash in hand for the used bike.

So considering that it will be a $4000 price Delta and a loss of 2 years of warranty.

What to do? What to do

Oh and to throw a monkey wrench to the whole deal, there is a 2003 with 3K miles on it down the street also. Of course it is out of warranty but the seller wanted $8K for it.

Matt Kas

13 Triumph Trophy SE Lunar Silver
12 Suzuki Burgman 650 Executive Pearl White

Laguna Niguel, Southern California (South Orange County)
"Riding Year around"

To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
MattKas is offline  
post #6 of 25 Old Oct 15th, 2010, 4:17 pm Thread Starter
Senior Member
 
pauleknight's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Oviedo , FL, USA
Posts: 1,079
Re: New or Used 2009 LT need input

thanks guys.

Keep the comments coming.

I talked to the dealer and they have an RPM1 warranty for 3 years fo $1600 unlimited miles.

But the guy explained that it ran concurrent with the existing warranty. so I would lose a year of the warranty...

I am waiting anxiously for the seller to contact me.

Paul

2009 K1200LT The Черный заяц 2 March '12 -
2008 R1200GSA Dec'11 - March '12 (sold)
2009 K1200LT The Черный заяц Nov '10 - Nov '11 (sold )
2000 K1200LT Flying Purple Mile Eater May '10 - Nov '10 (sold)
2005 VTX1300s Nov '09 - Nov '10 (sold)


To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
pauleknight is offline  
post #7 of 25 Old Oct 15th, 2010, 4:44 pm
Senior Member
 
highroamer's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Blessington, Co. Wicklow, Ireland
Posts: 429
Re: New or Used 2009 LT need input

Same as Boatzo.
highroamer is offline  
post #8 of 25 Old Oct 15th, 2010, 5:57 pm
Senior Member
 
Wolfgang's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2002
Location: Budapest, Hungary
Posts: 2,269
Re: New or Used 2009 LT need input

I'll buy new from the dealer.

Reasons? By the time you add the cost of the warranty (that is not as good as the factory warranty) and the $1,250 in gear the difference is not that great.
Having bought new from the dealer will (should) get you better service and "goodwill" from the dealer and BMWNA. The second owner is always looked at different than the guy that buys new of the showroom floor. Plus you dont need to worry what the previous owner did. I am talking such things as abusing the clutch or transmission etc.

Something to ponder...

Wolfgang

K1200LT 1999 Champaign SOLD
R1100RS 1994 Teal SOLD
R1150RT 2003 Blue (Sold)
R1100RT 1997 Blue


Pest, Budapest Hungary

"Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness."
Mark Twain

Wolfgang is offline  
post #9 of 25 Old Oct 15th, 2010, 6:20 pm
Old Slow Guy in A Fast Car
 
katnapinn's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Kyle, Texas, USA
Posts: 8,597
Re: New or Used 2009 LT need input

Quote:
Originally Posted by pauleknight
thanks guys.

Keep the comments coming.

I talked to the dealer and they have an RPM1 warranty for 3 years fo $1600 unlimited miles.

But the guy explained that it ran concurrent with the existing warranty. so I would lose a year of the warranty...

I am waiting anxiously for the seller to contact me.

Paul
You can buy the extended warranty any time before the factory one runs out so get the used one the get the warranty later.

Stevie Shreeve
katnapinn is offline  
post #10 of 25 Old Oct 15th, 2010, 6:54 pm
Senior Member
 
fpmlt's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Posts: 2,175
Re: New or Used 2009 LT need input

For me, I'd have to wait until I saw the new 1600. As good as those look, it might be that you'll want one of them, and if not, there'll likely be a bunch of LTs up for sale for the guys that want a new one. Either way, you'll probably win.
fpmlt is offline  
post #11 of 25 Old Oct 16th, 2010, 12:11 am
Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Allen, Tx, USA
Posts: 30
Re: New or Used 2009 LT need input

I'd go with the new one. As a matter of fact, I did. I just purchased a new LT and made the decision for a few reasons. First, the dealers are practically giving the few remaining new ones away and you get the full warranty. By the time you spend the money on a used '09 and add whatever accessories you want, you have spent the same money as for new. Like someone else has already stated, you don't have to concern yourself with how the original owner rode it and the dealer will treat you better if you purchase new from them rather than just have them service a used bike. All of these reasons went into my decision.

Just my thoughts.

Eric
esmurrell is offline  
post #12 of 25 Old Oct 16th, 2010, 7:09 am
Senior Member
 
johnhunter44's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Easley, SC, USA
Posts: 211
Re: New or Used 2009 LT need input

Paul, I just traded my 2009 K1200LT for an RT at Blue Moon Cycles, in Norcross, Ga. The bike had 7400 miles, just put a new front tire on it, was in excellent condition, had the comm system and GPS installed. I had the 6000K miles service done about a month ago and I bought the bike in June of 2009, so plenty of warranty left. If you called them, bet you could get a good price going in to the winter. Just thought I would mention it. I have no affiliation with them other than trading bikes.
johnhunter44 is offline  
post #13 of 25 Old Oct 16th, 2010, 10:32 am
Senior Member
 
wa1200lt's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Vancouver, WA, USA
Posts: 2,745
Re: New or Used 2009 LT need input

This is your last opportunity to buy new......

Just sayin.

As for me I'd probably buy the '03. I HATE new vehicle depreciation!


It sounds like your heart is set on a new one. Go with your heart and don't look back. The new 1600? It aint no LT.

Loren

WAK1200LT
Loren

To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

Cave quid dicis, quando, et cui
wa1200lt is offline  
post #14 of 25 Old Oct 16th, 2010, 11:18 am
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Blossvale, NY, USA
Posts: 577
Talking Re: New or Used 2009 LT need input

Quote:
Originally Posted by pauleknight
thanks guys.

Keep the comments coming.

I talked to the dealer and they have an RPM1 warranty for 3 years fo $1600 unlimited miles.

But the guy explained that it ran concurrent with the existing warranty. so I would lose a year of the warranty...

I am waiting anxiously for the seller to contact me.

Paul
The RPMone extended warranty I purchased on my 05 did not go into effect till original expired. Thus giving me a five year extension on the bike that has already returned over thrice what the policy cost. I purchased the policy from BMW of Eugene, OR, while on a four corner tour at a great price. Dealers have a wide discretion of what they can and will charge. RPM required an inspection from a dealer and that was all. My experience with stealers in FL would encourage me to check with RPM my self and get the facts B4 putting down my cash.

And yes get the used, purchase extended, and ride like you stole it !!!!!!!

also I called the company and RPM will warranty a bike after original expires, but at a higher rate

Toby in New York
1983 R80RT Red (sold)
'03 R1200CLC (T-boned and replaced with)
'04 R1200CL Sidestand problem, BMW traded me for
'05 K1200LT. Goldie, Priceless
Lusting after K1600 GTL
tobiwan is offline  
post #15 of 25 Old Oct 16th, 2010, 5:13 pm
Senior Member
 
tonygret's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: Thousand Oaks, California, USA
Posts: 407
Re: New or Used 2009 LT need input

The resale value of these bikes keeps dropping by leaps and bounds. Unless the dealer was giving you the new one for the same price as the used one I wouldn't consider a new one. I also think the used 09 you quoted is priced too high also. You can get a 2005 which is virtually the same bike for between 9K and 12K with low miles. I saw an 04 LT on Cycletrader today for 7K. Oh the pain . . .
tonygret is offline  
post #16 of 25 Old Oct 16th, 2010, 8:57 pm
Senior Member
 
rattler50's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Wichita Falls, Tx, USA
Posts: 1,337
Re: New or Used 2009 LT need input

There's an 09 in Belle Isle with 3,750 miles for $15,995. Good, used is always better. But it's your $$$$$$$$$$$..............

2006 R1200RT
2005 K1200LT Ocean Blue
2003 K1200LTE Black
Totaled Oct 2, 2010
2006 Kawasaki Vulcan 2000
Most of us would rather be ruined by praise than saved by criticism.
rattler50 is offline  
post #17 of 25 Old Oct 17th, 2010, 9:22 am
LAF
Lifetime Supporter
 
LAF's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Harrisburg , PA, USA
Posts: 2,985
Re: New or Used 2009 LT need input

After just having to have a new 07 and riding it from new as you would like to do, I understand.

However after wearing that t-shirt, and if I had a do over I would have bought used.

Especially now with a new model coming, and a crappy economy.

Gonna be a buyers market. I paid 21,000 for mine new. So your new dealer quote is all ready cheaper then mine new.

Save your money and find a well kept used 07 or 08 and save yourself the first hit financially new bike buyers take, and buy a warranty or farkels with the money you saved.

Any aftermarket warranty I inquired about went like this, you could buy it while the bike was still in warranty, and it started when the factory warranty ran out. A lot of variables in them but that was the basics. Some would not sell if your bike was out, some would but higher price, some transferable, some not, blah, blah.

Good luck and once bitten, you will for sure get the one you want.

Lee
17.5 R1200 GSW Black Low
15 R1200 RTLC San Marino Blue Metallic (Sold)
10 Liquid Silver FJR1300 (Sold)
O7 Biarritz Blue Metallic LT (Totaled 2010)
ATGATT I am breathing proof.
BMW MOA #135959
LAF is offline  
post #18 of 25 Old Oct 17th, 2010, 9:37 am Thread Starter
Senior Member
 
pauleknight's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Oviedo , FL, USA
Posts: 1,079
Re: New or Used 2009 LT need input

Quote:
Originally Posted by rattler50
There's an 09 in Belle Isle with 3,750 miles for $15,995. Good, used is always better. But it's your $$$$$$$$$$$..............
That is the one that I purchased yesterday...

2009 K1200LT The Черный заяц 2 March '12 -
2008 R1200GSA Dec'11 - March '12 (sold)
2009 K1200LT The Черный заяц Nov '10 - Nov '11 (sold )
2000 K1200LT Flying Purple Mile Eater May '10 - Nov '10 (sold)
2005 VTX1300s Nov '09 - Nov '10 (sold)


To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
pauleknight is offline  
post #19 of 25 Old Oct 17th, 2010, 11:02 am
Senior Member
 
Boatzo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Hartfield, VA, USA
Posts: 1,105
Re: New or Used 2009 LT need input

Quote:
Originally Posted by pauleknight
That is the one that I purchased yesterday...
Looks like you done a good deal Paul, enjoy your new ride.

Bill
Eastern Virginia (Middle Peninsula)
K3ZXV
05 Honda Sabre 1100
04 Triumph Speedmaster , Black with
California Sidecar Friendship II
99 K1200LT, Basalt Gray "DELILAH" (SOLD)
99 R1100RT ,Glacier Green (SOLD
To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
)
Boatzo is offline  
post #20 of 25 Old Oct 17th, 2010, 11:45 am
Senior Member
 
fpmlt's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Posts: 2,175
Re: New or Used 2009 LT need input

Paul, just out of curiosity, did you consider the new 1600 at all? What were your thoughts?
fpmlt is offline  
post #21 of 25 Old Oct 17th, 2010, 6:28 pm Thread Starter
Senior Member
 
pauleknight's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Oviedo , FL, USA
Posts: 1,079
Re: New or Used 2009 LT need input

Quote:
Originally Posted by fpmlt
Paul, just out of curiosity, did you consider the new 1600 at all? What were your thoughts?
from the Jay Leno video and the pictures that I saw, I did not personally like the style and design of the front of the bike.

Plus purchasing a 1st year of any model is not the always the best, in my opinion.

Also I bet that the 2011 would be out of my price. I only had $15K burning a hole in my poket. Another $6K+ would have broken the bank.

2009 K1200LT The Черный заяц 2 March '12 -
2008 R1200GSA Dec'11 - March '12 (sold)
2009 K1200LT The Черный заяц Nov '10 - Nov '11 (sold )
2000 K1200LT Flying Purple Mile Eater May '10 - Nov '10 (sold)
2005 VTX1300s Nov '09 - Nov '10 (sold)


To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
pauleknight is offline  
post #22 of 25 Old Oct 17th, 2010, 6:33 pm
Senior Member
 
Boatzo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Hartfield, VA, USA
Posts: 1,105
Re: New or Used 2009 LT need input

Quote:
Originally Posted by pauleknight
from the Jay Leno video and the pictures that I saw, I did not personally like the style and design of the front of the bike.

Plus purchasing a 1st year of any model is not the always the best, in my opinion.

Also I bet that the 2011 would be out of my price. I only had $15K burning a hole in my poket. Another $6K+ would have broken the bank.
I agree completely. I watched the Leno video and I am not a buyer. As you said, "1st year" is risky and I foresee a lot of maint. issues with all the sophisticated systems. Gyro aimed head light for example. No thanks. You did the right thing IMHO.

I'll try to keep my 99 going till I can't ride anymore

Bill
Eastern Virginia (Middle Peninsula)
K3ZXV
05 Honda Sabre 1100
04 Triumph Speedmaster , Black with
California Sidecar Friendship II
99 K1200LT, Basalt Gray "DELILAH" (SOLD)
99 R1100RT ,Glacier Green (SOLD
To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
)

Last edited by Boatzo; Oct 17th, 2010 at 6:34 pm. Reason: More text
Boatzo is offline  
post #23 of 25 Old Oct 17th, 2010, 6:35 pm Thread Starter
Senior Member
 
pauleknight's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Oviedo , FL, USA
Posts: 1,079
Re: New or Used 2009 LT need input

Today I was able to add my few farkles and really give the bike a once over and it seems that it was dropped on both sides.

the J Peg on the left side was damaged the the chrome part the is behind the black engine guard cover is cracked all the hell. Even one of the screws is gone.

I took of the JPEgs since I am not going to use them.

I emailed the seller and asked if he had the original engine guards and got no response.

He promissed it was never dropped but there is evidence everywhere that it hit the ground on both sides and hard enough on the right side to do some damage.

But I ain't mad. It is all cosmetic as best I can tell.

2009 K1200LT The Черный заяц 2 March '12 -
2008 R1200GSA Dec'11 - March '12 (sold)
2009 K1200LT The Черный заяц Nov '10 - Nov '11 (sold )
2000 K1200LT Flying Purple Mile Eater May '10 - Nov '10 (sold)
2005 VTX1300s Nov '09 - Nov '10 (sold)


To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
pauleknight is offline  
post #24 of 25 Old Oct 18th, 2010, 6:17 am
Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Taylors, SC, USA
Posts: 56
Re: New or Used 2009 LT need input

Quote:
Originally Posted by pauleknight
Today I was able to add my few farkles and really give the bike a once over and it seems that it was dropped on both sides.

the J Peg on the left side was damaged the the chrome part the is behind the black engine guard cover is cracked all the hell. Even one of the screws is gone.

I took of the JPEgs since I am not going to use them.

I emailed the seller and asked if he had the original engine guards and got no response.

He promissed it was never dropped but there is evidence everywhere that it hit the ground on both sides and hard enough on the right side to do some damage.

But I ain't mad. It is all cosmetic as best I can tell.
I can identify with this...I knew my recently acquired '05 had been dropped on the left side before I bought it due to damage to the tipover wing cover and moulding on the saddlebag.
Yesterday while pulling the Tupperware for the 1st time, I was able to see the extent of the damage - one of the JPeg bolts is slightly bent (they want $37.50 for a "repair kit") and the end of the JPeg had punched a perfectly shaped hole into the belly pan plastic...oh well....
gosling1 is offline  
post #25 of 25 Old Oct 18th, 2010, 10:02 am
Lifetime Supporter
 
Join Date: May 2003
Location: Phoenix, AZ, USA
Posts: 1,305
Re: New or Used 2009 LT need input

For what it's worth, I bought a two year old 2002 with 3.5K miles back in 2004. 124K later I have no second thoughts on that. The year of warranty covered a couple of things, throttle cables and radio.

Motor On ,/'


To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.


To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
jkersh1 is offline  
Reply

Quick Reply
Message:
Options

Register Now



In order to be able to post messages on the BMW Luxury Touring Community forums, you must first register.
Please enter your desired user name, your email address and other required details in the form below.

User Name:
Password
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.

Password:


Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter a valid email address for yourself.

Email Address:
OR

Log-in











Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Show Printable Version
Email this Page Email this Page
Display Modes
Linear Mode Linear Mode



Posting Rules  
You may post new threads
You may post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On

 
For the best viewing experience please update your browser to Google Chrome