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I've had enough of the punks that blast there stereos & sub-woofers that vibrate next to me at stop lights. My winter project (I hope) for my LT is to upgrade my radio to the Jensen marine radio at 50 watts per speaker with a separate 400 watt four channel amp. Next I want to install a 8 or 10 inch sub-woofer speaker underneath the passenger backrest with it's own amp. I'll know in the next week or so how much I'll be able to bump up the stock alternator to maximum amp. output. This all depends if I can do this with the stock size battery.

Ok you electronic minded people is this possible?. I'm still in the search mode for 4 marine 5 1/4" speakers & one 8 or 10" marine sub-woofer speaker.

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The blues brothers did it with the giant speaker on top..
Wonder if a helmet adapter can be made...

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Maybe just a few of those "Loud-Ass" air horns that you can "pulse" to their "beat".

I'm no audiophile, but, I think you can install enough power to make a statement.

I'm voting for a Paint Ball loaded with some Hi-Vis green or something. You can use it to mark the A-Holes so we can all know who they are, the more green, the bigger the hole. Can be used for all sorts of violations. Maybe a color coded key?

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Not an answer to your question, Dave, but I'm liking the paintball concept. Or - better yet, IMO - some kind of electronic device that you point at the offending audio system and it temporarily shuts it down, knocks it out, whatever. No permanent damage, just render it silent for a few minutes, then honk, wave, and smile as you pass him.

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Hey Saddleman, I'm aboard. I can't answer your question, but I'd be leaning toward a directional speaker. Maybe mount it on top of your luggage rack and rotate it electronically or manually toward the offending vehicle. The way I see it, his speakers have to go through the passenger compartment, and yours (or mine) would point directly into his window.

A long time ago, the neighbor kids behind me decided to blast their devil worship music into my backyard. I pulled my big-assed speakers out, put them at @ 5' height, and let 250 amps per channel fly. After 1/2 hr., I couldn't hardly hear their racket. I donno, maybe I blew out my eardrums.
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Anti vehicle electronic counter measure. Device emits microwaves thereby disabling electronic components of a vehicle. Also wipes out nearby computers and other electronic items.

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Hey Saddleman, I'm aboard. I can't answer your question, but I'd be leaning toward a directional speaker. Maybe mount it on top of your luggage rack and rotate it electronically or manually toward the offending vehicle. The way I see it, his speakers have to go through the passenger compartment, and yours (or mine) would point directly into his window.

A long time ago, the neighbor kids behind me decided to blast their devil worship music into my backyard. I pulled my big-assed speakers out, put them at @ 5' height, and let 250 amps per channel fly. After 1/2 hr., I couldn't hardly hear their racket. I donno, maybe I blew out my eardrums.

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Directed Acoustic Weapons
In the past, acoustic non lethal weapons were primarily used as "flash bang" weapons. When blasted over a crowd or in a room, they created a loud noise and bright flash incapacitated people exposed to the effect for a few seconds. Flash bang charges are used on forced entry and counter-terror operations, when hostages are involved. As they indiscriminately hit every human exposed to the effect, operation of "flash-bang" requires precise timing and procedures to maximize effect on hostiles and eliminate potential damage to friendly forces.

Currently, acoustics are far more advanced than mere noise. Following the impressive technology advancement in solid state electronics, advanced acoustic systems are becoming operational. In 2004 American soldiers in Iraq were equipped with a Long Range Acoustic Device (LRAD) used for land based and naval applications. LARD works like a highly directional, high power megaphone, able to blast sounds (such as crowd-dispersal instructions in Arabic) in a narrow beam and with great clarity at a deafening 150 decibels (50 times the human threshold of pain). LRAD can also create deafening noises which can incapacitate people within 300 meters by "firing" short bursts of intense acoustic energy.

A different acoustic weapon is the vehicle mounted Acoustic Blaster, developed by PRIMEX Physics International. This weapon can be used for area denial, and against selected groups in crowds, mobs and rioters or in a hostile situation. The weapon can be operated by a single person. So far the system was developed as a prototype consisting of an array of four combustion detonation driven devices fired simultaneously or independently. The detonation creates an acoustic pressure of up to 165dB at a distance of 15 meters. The resulting acoustic pressure waveform can be optimized for acoustic-physiological coupling to targets for antipersonnel applications. The US Air Force Research Laboratory (ARL) is also working on a Sequential Arc Discharge Acoustic Generator (SADAG) which produces high-intensity impulsive sound waves generated by electrical means.

A different acoustic weapon is the high power acoustic phased array of 36 horns which can focus the acoustic output at the target. The high power noise created within the target can incapacitate humans from a standoff range. The system can be mounted on a tactical vehicle, and radiate a narrow, high power steerable acoustic beam, disorientating humans. Both horizontal and vertical beams can be formed simultaneously to create a point effect within buildings.

A different application is the shockwave weapon, employing the Vortex Ring Gun system. Generating high power shockwave propagating at supersonic speed, Vortex ring Guns can generate high pressures which inflict considerable damage to a target, or carry a payload of kinetic or chemical agents over a distance beyond 20 meters.

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Another idea would be to mount a couple of 20mm Vulcans on a rotating rack. You could utilize a sound sensor rigged to trigger the array at a particular db level and zero in on the source. Would be handy to get through heavy traffic too!
Of course you'd have to solve the problem of ammunition weight, but a large trailer might work to carry the 60,000 rounds you'd need. The feed racks should be long enough to reach the rack. Some might consider the Vulcans to be a bit noisy, though.
Please know that this setup wouldn't do much for overall handling, especially when exercising the Vulcans.
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Directional speakers...

"Hey you.. we're watching you.."
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Imagine.. you are bored... so you hop in your sled... ride down to the local "party" area.... select your opportunity... then give them "the message".

I saw someone do that with a laser mounted in a cup...

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I've had enough of the punks that blast there stereos & sub-woofers that vibrate next to me at stop lights. My winter project (I hope) for my LT is to upgrade my radio to the Jensen marine radio at 50 watts per speaker with a separate 400 watt four channel amp. Next I want to install a 8 or 10 inch sub-woofer speaker underneath the passenger backrest with it's own amp. I'll know in the next week or so how much I'll be able to bump up the stock alternator to maximum amp. output. This all depends if I can do this with the stock size battery.

Ok you electronic minded people is this possible?. I'm still in the search mode for 4 marine 5 1/4" speakers & one 8 or 10" marine sub-woofer speaker.
if it really bothers you that much,,,why not lay on your horn ?
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The mondo sub-woofer has merit as a full back massage as well - good idea for those long days in the saddle.

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that all seems like a lot of trouble. Just ride the H-D with the drag pipes.

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Keep rolling your thoughts in What I really want to know is will my LT battery be up to the job. The deal breaker will be if I have to put a second batt. in the side case.

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I don't like 'em much myself,
but this sure sounds like,
you can't beat 'em, (at being obnoxious)
so you wanna join 'em????


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I would not waste your money if you are serious. We have a riding buddy
[wing owner} who has tried to up grade his stereo with a separate amp and sub woofers, not only has he taken up all his space in his bags but it is not that impressive.
Now if you mount your speakers with your amps in a separate trailer you might be able to do it.
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You can be the first to install this on a moto.

http://www.trainhornkits.com/

watch the video.

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I've had enough of the punks that blast there stereos & sub-woofers that vibrate next to me at stop lights. My winter project (I hope) for my LT is to upgrade my radio to the Jensen marine radio at 50 watts per speaker with a separate 400 watt four channel amp. Next I want to install a 8 or 10 inch sub-woofer speaker underneath the passenger backrest with it's own amp. I'll know in the next week or so how much I'll be able to bump up the stock alternator to maximum amp. output. This all depends if I can do this with the stock size battery.

Ok you electronic minded people is this possible?. I'm still in the search mode for 4 marine 5 1/4" speakers & one 8 or 10" marine sub-woofer speaker.
This would be more fun. http://www.amazing1.com/emp.htm

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This is way more cooler than those ads in the comic books as we rad as a kid.. Seems more adduct like..lol

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You can be the first to install this on a moto.

http://www.trainhornkits.com/

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Aside from the dick heads in the video, yea that should counter loud music quite well.

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Aside from the dick heads in the video, yea that should counter loud music quite well.

But of course.

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1. Skip the Marine speakers, just do regular ones. Not necessary and they sound like sh*t. Do a search on Speaker Replacement, and you'll find threads on replacing the fronts and rears including pics of when I did it if you are serious.

2. If you're going to get a 400 w amp, get a BUNCH of replacement speakers because you're going to be blowing them left and right.

3. Also search "uni-go trailer" because you won't have the use of your top trunk any more once you install said amp.

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1. Skip the Marine speakers, just do regular ones. Not necessary and they sound like sh*t. Do a search on Speaker Replacement, and you'll find threads on replacing the fronts and rears including pics of when I did it if you are serious.

2. If you're going to get a 400 w amp, get a BUNCH of replacement speakers because you're going to be blowing them left and right.

3. Also search "uni-go trailer" because you won't have the use of your top trunk any more once you install said amp.
1. Although regular speakers are no longer made of paper I'm not sure how they will hold up in the rain plus I wash my bike once or twice a week & that includes the speaker grilles.

2. The 400 w four channel amp is 100w per speaker. There are a few 5 1/4 size speakers that can handle over that continuously with peak watts much higher.

3. The 400 w four channel amp is smaller than the disc changer in the right side case & would be installed there in its place. I'm not sure if the sub-woofer amp will clear the upper case bolt pattern but if it does I'll raise the top case 2" & install it under the top case.

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Now if you mount your speakers with your amps in a separate trailer you might be able to do it.
I'm looking at around $1000 for everything. I spent $300 two years ago to have the OEM Becker radio fixed & It's on the way out again . Basically I just want a good sound system that I can crank up & sounds good. It doesn't need to be to impressive just good enough to hear & feel my music not someone next to me when I feel like it.

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Pepper spray can do a fine job of getting your point across. Hard to drive when you are crying.

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Pepper spray can do a fine job of getting your point across. Hard to drive when you are crying.

Be aware of the wind.

Atta boy gunny. I like it, good idea. Some people are leaning toward yellowjacket/wasp spray. From what I understand, no training required and it shoots farther. I have both and will post test results.
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Been reading about yellow jacket/wasp spray on the 'net for a while now. Having been hit with that stuff by accident and with pepper spray by intention, I can tell you that relying on wasp spray to halt an altercation might very likely get you into serious trouble. Should someone use wasp spray on me as a weapon, they will find that they made a very poor choice of weapons, they'd better hope they have good health care insurance, they are going to need it and then all bets are off.

Wasp spray is a minor irritant.

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I think you are all missing the point. Most often the worst offenders at annoyingly loud thumping music comes from the tiny engine tuner cars. My theory is that they put big stereos in their rigs to compensate for being small where it counts. In the engine compartment.

If you ride with hearing protection, and you know you should, then the music noise is irritating but not deafening.

What needs to happen in this country is to get rid of the straight pipes on the V twins. I think they are often compensating for being small also but I have no data to back this theory.

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Pepper spray can do a fine job of getting your point across. Hard to drive when you are crying.

Be aware of the wind.
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You can do what you want no problem and probably in that price range. I too would skip marine speakers and go with Infinity's or any good 2 speaker system. The factory's are 2 piece also. I used a one piece but they had a swivel tweeter sitting on its own bracket in the center of the cones. The factory are paper cones. NO ONE who makes good speakers uses a paper cone. I agree with the amp size too as solid state has brought decent signal to noise ratios to smaller amps. The only thing I would do is invest in a capacitor of CAP for smoothing out the power requirements. The only issue is they are fair sized, but probably where the canister sits under the rear would be good. I love the Jensen head unit but not sure that is what I would use either. And as I am sold on my I-Pod over the last few years I would want something that is I-Pod enabled and with a USB port on it.

Or you can just go buy one of those can air horns and keep it in your cup holder.

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You can do what you want no problem and probably in that price range. I too would skip marine speakers and go with Infinity's or any good 2 speaker system. The factory's are 2 piece also. I used a one piece but they had a swivel tweeter sitting on its own bracket in the center of the cones. The factory are paper cones. NO ONE who makes good speakers uses a paper cone. I agree with the amp size too as solid state has brought decent signal to noise ratios to smaller amps. The only thing I would do is invest in a capacitor of CAP for smoothing out the power requirements. The only issue is they are fair sized, but probably where the canister sits under the rear would be good. I love the Jensen head unit but not sure that is what I would use either. And as I am sold on my I-Pod over the last few years I would want something that is I-Pod enabled and with a USB port on it.

Or you can just go buy one of those can air horns and keep it in your cup holder.
The Jensen 2107 has full iPod control,1 USB port & 1gb of on board memory. Do you think that regular speakers will hold up getting soaked with water weekly?. The local marine stereo dealer wasn't sure if the rear speakers would hold up that well at 80+ mph in heavy rain with stock speakers.

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The Jensen 2107 has full iPod control,1 USB port & 1gb of on board memory. Do you think that regular speakers will hold up getting soaked with water weekly?. The local marine stereo dealer wasn't sure if the rear speakers would hold up that well at 80+ mph in heavy rain with stock speakers.
I wash my LT almost weekly, have aftermarket Pioneer speakers in the front and rear, but you can ignore my advice again.

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Does anyone know if these speakers will fit the LT & if so are they a good choice?. Thanks

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5.25" all the way around dave. Might have to do a bit of modification here and there.

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5.25" all the way around dave. Might have to do a bit of modification here and there.
Mike is there room for the separate 1 1/2" tweeter?

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