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Bullies!!! or just a-holes.. you tell me..

Today I am riding solo from Orlando to ATL on the bike for a week of meetings. All is going well. weather is great, not too much traffic. three lanes to travel on. No other riders going my way for the last 4 hours.

I was moving along in the center lane when 2-3 Harley riders pass me on the left, I did not see them coming, and surprisingly I did not hear them either.

I take the opportunity to jump into the passing lane (there were no motorcycles behind me that I could see) well apparently they had a group of another 10-12 more straggling behind that I did not see. Out of no where a rider pulls along side me to the left. He starts to crowd me and as we pass an 18 wheeler he continues to crowd me to the right.

I keep my cool and about the time we pass the 18 wheeler I move to the center lane and another rider comes along on the left of the rider that was crowing me and laughs and smiles and points at me as they continue to pass as a gang / group. This guy was inches away from me. Never looked over at me.

They were wearing leathers and all had vests Thunder Guard MC, The group was both male and female.

Now I am not saying anything and I have never been critical of any clubs, Ethnic clubs or not... WTF did I do wrong?

I am sure that I was just in the wrong place at the wrong time.

Next time I will be sure NOT to break into their "group" although they are NOT together, not in a row or anything. Just straggling along.

They eventually formed up in a group about a 1/4 mile ahead of me and I stayed way back from them. Eventually they pulled off around Macon and I speed up to get some room between then and myself.

So, I have not been riding for that long and this is actually my first 500 mile solo ride(I go Orlando to Miami all the time along the I-95)

Is this common? or something I should be concerned with?

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My brother and I used to ride hopped up Triumphs back in the 60's, and used to do that (ride into their formation) to the Hells Angles. They had a clubhouse down in the Bolder Creek/Santa Cruz area. Really pissed them off, but they couldn't catch the Triumphs.
These wanna-be gangers probably thought you were intruding into their "formation". I say "f&#*-em". I've had guys on bikes try to crowd me too. Just don't give in. Push back. And remember, if you're going to put them down, pull their closest handlebar back, don't push it forward, or they'll hit you as they go down. (how would I know that, he said, puzzled).
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OK.......they were on 'Big Twins' right..............twist it and git...........I'd rather pay the speed fine................$000.02..............Not like they'd keep up..................



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I always keep a respectful distance from groups of Harley riders. I have observed rude and unsafe behavior quit often.

The strange thing is if you stopped they will strike up a conversation and almost without exception they are the nicest people... go figure.

Must be a herd mentality.

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Now I am not saying anything and I have never been critical of any clubs, Ethnic clubs or not... WTF did I do wrong?
Nothing. Anyone else ever notice that the only motorcyclists to not return a wave are on Harleys.

I use the term 'motorcyclist' very loosely in conjunction with the world Harley

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It's not just Harleys. I've encountered this behavior across the brand and model type board. Rude is rude. In my area the worst offenders are sport bike riders, usually at paint peeling speeds. I personally do my best to make sure my fellow riders are aware of my presence before passing them in the same lane. If I'm not sure they see me or are prepared for me to pass I will move into a different lane before passing. I don't like surprises and I always assume the other rider feels the same.
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Bullies and A/H's! Often, both the H-D and crotch boys are compensating for something small between their legs by putting something bigger between their legs.

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Chalk it up as a lesson learned; watch your mirrors and avoid groups (I ride solo most of the time and am not accustomed to group riding).

One other thing - when waving, always use 5 fingers.

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You probably just experienced "group mentality."

I have found it strange, when approaching a group riding in the opposite direction, me in the cage, when riders are staggered, that many riding the inside, will tend to hug the line. It almost seems that they are daring you to try and get too close. To me, it seems like they are just asking to get side-swiped or hit.

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The "clubs" don't like you getting into their formation. They think they own the road. Some get fairly nasty about it. I had a friend pulled overt in Ft. Worth and told that was a good way to get shot. You didn't do anything wrong. You just encountered some a**holes on the road. The can harrass you but never catch you. Makes you wanna knock them over or put a round in their tire or tank........

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Yeah, I think it's just the group thing...get a buncha' people playing "wild thing" together and they become 7' tall and bulletproof. My brother in law is the president of a group of riders that group ride and they act as if they own the road and make the law, and they're all "good christians" and successful. I rode with them once and that was enough to last me a looong time. I hated the group pace thing and was ashamed to be affiliated with a group that just took over the roadway. And they're the "good guys"! I just try to ignore those groups or I can and will outrun them.

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They were wearing leathers and all had vests Thunder Guard MC, The group was both male and female.

Now I am not saying anything and I have never been critical of any clubs, Ethnic clubs or not... WTF did I do wrong?
Thunder Gaurds are a black 1% club, known to be associates of the Pagans. They originate in MD. They aren't allowed to fly the Pagan patch.

Their race/ethnicity is not an issue. Their behavior is.

What you did was interupt their formation. That and the fact that you weren't wearing one of their beloved patches.

Here's a clue: If you ever run into them in a bar or restaurant and they gang up on you, start shooting. It's the only thing the F$%#ing scumbags understand.

I have spent most of my life on Harleys, and never wore a patch. I've been invited several times to associate with a club. One asked me to pledge. I learned what they are...1%er clubs are the scurge of the motorcycle world, and I wish them all a quick death. While they parade around in front of the press with their toy runs and charity events, they make their living off drugs, prostitutes, and stolen motorcycles. They preach about honor, but the only code of honor these guys have is keeping quiet about their criminal enterprise.

Stay away from them.
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Their race/ethnicity is not an issue. Their behavior is.

What you did was interupt their formation. That and the fact that you weren't wearing one of their beloved patches.
I agree that what I did wrong was interrupt their formation, but they were not in a formation.

a couple in front a few car lengths ahead with a car in between myself and them, and then these guys behind,

they did come into formation a few minutes later.

I did learn my lesson. Stay to the right and do not get in other's formation no matter how strung out and straggered out they are...

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While in Ontario for the ABC rally, myself and several other BMW riders were merging onto the highway. There was a group of apx. 50-60 HD riders flying colors. I didn't catch the name, Satan's Scumbags or some such thing. We merged with slower traffic while they slowly passed on the left. When they all passed us, we merged behind them. after a couple of miles traffic lightened and they all merged into the right hand lane. We just started to pass them slowly as they were all doing 55-60 mph when I realized that to get to our destination per the GPS we had to get off at the next exit. I put the hammer down as did the 4 other bikes in our group. The exit was fast approaching and I knew it was gonna be close. I knew we were drawing their ire as we passed them all at 90+ mph. They were greeting us with waves of closed fists and the "Hawaiian Peace Symbol" we cut from the left lane, across the lead bikes and onto the exit ramp with mere feet between us. It was a risk but we were out in the country and figured we would leave them all in the dust if they tried to follow. I chuckled about it all the way back to the campground and was immortalized as the great conqueror around the campfire that night.

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I did learn my lesson.
That lesson is that these scumbags don't understand rational, civilized behavior.


But please.....don't assume that all harley riders in groups are this way. I have ridden with some groups of friends, all on Harley's. All acceptable courtesey was extended to all motorists, not just motorcyclists.


On another rant, I have had many Harley riders stop to offer help if I was stopped on the side of the road. I NEVER had a Beemer pilot do the same. Maybe just a coincidence...


If I see a rider on the side, I slow. He gives me a thumbs-up, I go. He doesn't, I stop.

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The only thing I would say is try to be more aware of your surroundings. These folks were just being jerks, you can't do anything about that. Being surprised by their presence you can fix by checking mirrors looking around, etc. Helps fight off highway hypnosis too.

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Could be the reason Harley riders stop and Beemer riders don't, would be the speed they are traveling when they see you.
When you are traveling 40-50 mph on a vibrating mass of oil leaking, noise making pile of chrome you will jump at any chance to pull over and rest, striking a pose for the passers-by to have a look at. Where as a beemer rider would be traveling too fast to just pull over. ( Myself I ALWAYS have to turn around and go back to see if they need help.) When you ride smooth velvety equipment you just hate to shut down the fine workings of machinery. When you go back and ask do you need help, They reply " No, I was just getting something to drink."
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Never attribute to malice what can be adequately explained by stupidity. I do agree with the herd mentality though, once you get people in a group the collective IQ plummets.
The "owning the road" mentality goes across brands and styles. I no longer go on the 100k Foot ride here because you will have people passing you on both sides, in blind corners, no passing zones etc. and it just does not make the ride any fun. It's the same reason I will never ride the Dragon every again; too many riders consider it their own private racetrack.
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I'm sure part of it was "herd mentality" and I'm also certain that since it was,
as you put it "an etnic club" that your race also had something to do with it,

Chances are if you were to meet some of these riders individually,
they might be good people,
but they're going to treat you differently when they're in a group.
Racism is a fact of life
And anybody that doesn't agree with that, hasn't been around "them" or is living in denial.

I had a "herd mentality" experience this summer,

I was passing a group of about a dozen Harley's on a 4 lane divided highway somewhere in Ohio,
when a car in front of me slowed to turn and the road merged into a two lane,
anyway I ended up in the middle of the pack on my LT pulling a trailer.

I figured I would pass the four in front of me at the earliest "safe" opportunity.

It seemed like they "didn't want me to pass them"
they started running 65-70 (in a 60mph zone) they had been traveling much slower than that
before I got into the middle of them.

That was "fast enough" for me so after about ten minutes or so I fell back
and motioned the rest of the pack around me.
As soon as they got back in formation they slowed back to 55mph.

There was too much oncoming traffic to safely pass a dozen bikes at once
so I waited for an uphill truck lane passing opportunity,

As soon as the road went four lane "they" sped up to around 70,
I Kicked the LT down one gear and blew by them at warp speed.
What a bunch of morons.


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....While they parade around in front of the press with their toy runs and charity events, they make their living off drugs, prostitutes, and stolen motorcycles. They preach about honor, but the only code of honor these guys have is keeping quiet about their criminal enterprise....
Don't forget gun "running," also.

But, they're really not very good at keeping their "criminal enterprise" a secret.

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with waves of closed fists and the "Hawaiian Peace Symbol"
I gotta tell ya, I've been around awhile, but I've never heard of it referred to as that. I busted out laughing when I read it, so the wife in the other room asked me what was so funny. I tried to explain it to her, but she just didn't get it. I ended up waving her off and coming back in here...I used all my fingers....

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I've yet to be bullied by anyone like this ... single bikes or herds. They can't bully what they can't keep up with.
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I've never been harassed by other bikes, I usually give large groups a wide berth. I have been really aggravated by cages at times. I don't get to ride with large groups, probably the most is 4 bikes. Seems like when we all give safe distance between each other, some idiot cage has to pass a couple of us and fall in between us. Then to add insult to injury, the cage slows down and speeds up (in passing zones). This happened to us Saturday and went on for about 5 miles till we could finally pass, get around, and catch up with the other 2 bikes.

BTW, pardon my ignorance, but what is the HAWAIIAN PEACE SIGN

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I do hate the way some riders can make a bad day for others. I've gone over to H-D as BMW would not work with me on my ABS, ( 2002 K1200LTC ) and had several riders of other brands tag along for safety and just plain old "BS". We all respected each other and nary had a bad word about anything other than the weather or cages.
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I suppose it's true that 'not all harley riders are scumbag outlaw bikers' but, according to my experience, 'all scumbag outlaw bikers are harley riders'. Not much chance of encountering the toothless thugs on BMWs.

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You did make one mistake. You let a guy on a Harley actually pass you.

If you do pass a group of bikes I suggest doing so as quickly as possible. You don't want to give them the chance to get any crazy ideas. If you pass them quickly and move out of sight as quickly as possible they aren't going to try to chase you down.

I find that usually around 85mph on the highway gives them too little time to react. I move to the far side of the passing lane so I don't startle anyone.

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BTW, pardon my ignorance, but what is the HAWAIIAN PEACE SIGN
AKA, the one-finger salute. Flipping the bird. Actually, I've always heard it called "Hawaiian Good Luck Sign".



Also, I understand that the visible difference between "motorcycle clubs" and "gangs" is whether they have a "rocker"... the curved patch below the big round patch on their vests or jackets (I assume so named because it looks like the curved thingy on the bottom of a rocking chair). Only "outlaw gangs" use a rocker. There was a long post over on a Goldwing board a while back about a Goldwing club that had vests made up that included a curved top patch, a big round patch, and (*gasp*) a rocker that named their home town.

After a large ride, they were meeting at their meeting place and a member of an "outlaw gang" showed up and as politely as possible, explained to the Wingers that the rocker was only to be used by gang members and if they didn't want no trubble, they'd probly wanna not use the rocker.

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I suppose it's true that 'not all harley riders are scumbag outlaw bikers' but, according to my experience, 'all scumbag outlaw bikers are harley riders'. Not much chance of encountering the toothless thugs on BMWs.


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Today I am riding solo from Orlando to ATL on the bike for a week of meetings. All is going well. weather is great, not too much traffic. three lanes to travel on. No other riders going my way for the last 4 hours.

I was moving along in the center lane when 2-3 Harley riders pass me on the left, I did not see them coming, and surprisingly I did not hear them either.

I take the opportunity to jump into the passing lane (there were no motorcycles behind me that I could see) well apparently they had a group of another 10-12 more straggling behind that I did not see. Out of no where a rider pulls along side me to the left. He starts to crowd me and as we pass an 18 wheeler he continues to crowd me to the right.

I keep my cool and about the time we pass the 18 wheeler I move to the center lane and another rider comes along on the left of the rider that was crowing me and laughs and smiles and points at me as they continue to pass as a gang / group. This guy was inches away from me. Never looked over at me.

They were wearing leathers and all had vests Thunder Guard MC, The group was both male and female.

Now I am not saying anything and I have never been critical of any clubs, Ethnic clubs or not... WTF did I do wrong?

I am sure that I was just in the wrong place at the wrong time.

Next time I will be sure NOT to break into their "group" although they are NOT together, not in a row or anything. Just straggling along.

They eventually formed up in a group about a 1/4 mile ahead of me and I stayed way back from them. Eventually they pulled off around Macon and I speed up to get some room between then and myself.

So, I have not been riding for that long and this is actually my first 500 mile solo ride(I go Orlando to Miami all the time along the I-95)

Is this common? or something I should be concerned with?
A holes, to be sure. I think honestly as soon as the first rider tried to crowd me I would have downshiftet to 4th and left them in the dust, don't care how fast I would have had to go to accomplish that.

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There's no plate on the bike, so either you photoshopped it, or he stole it from in front of a dealership!

I've never been bothered by any biker gangs and I admit I can be spotted as a cop from far away. Maybe they figured I was packing but I never had a problem. I do give them their space, not because I'm intimidated but because they can be dangerous to you while they are trying to ride close together. Some of them aren't the best riders to begin with and may have their senses dulled by drugs or booze, nor are they the sharpest tools in the shed even on a good day. Just give them their space next time.

Most Harley riders when alone or in a very small group, 3 or less, will come over and admire my chromehead or LT. Some actually give me a nod and say 'nice ride'. But as soon as a couple more of their friends walk over they act like I'm not even there. Not cool to be seen looking at the Beemers.

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Could be the reason Harley riders stop and Beemer riders don't, would be the speed they are traveling when they see you.
When you are traveling 40-50 mph on a vibrating mass of oil leaking, noise making pile of chrome you will jump at any chance to pull over and rest, striking a pose for the passers-by to have a look at. Where as a beemer rider would be traveling too fast to just pull over. ( Myself I ALWAYS have to turn around and go back to see if they need help.) When you ride smooth velvety equipment you just hate to shut down the fine workings of machinery. When you go back and ask do you need help, They reply " No, I was just getting something to drink."
You are, in my opinion, an Uneducated Person. Better to remain silent and appear Ignorant, than to open your mouth and remonve All Doubt.


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What you did "wrong" was get into their formation. The formation exists for a reason. Safety. Each club has it's own rules. Some have scout bikes (what you encountered) which run ahead of the pack, some don't. Some use a chase vehicle, some don't.

If you ever watch a lane change in a pack of 20-30 bikes, all doing 70+ mph, with less than a bike length between them? . One bike clears the lane, another protects it and it's like poetry in motion. Like a snake moving in the sand. It's a beautiful thing. Note, I did not say smart or safe.

Each rider in the formation knows exactly what the rider in front, behind and next to him will do in any type of evasive maneuver, which includes eluding LEO. Civilians interjecting into that formation breeches the safety of the pack.

They ride rear wheel to front wheel in order to discourage the temptation by cagers to use any opening as an opportunity to changes lanes or otherwise impede the "tempo" or flow of the pack. They communicate very effectively with simple hand signals.

In all likelihood the pack is not riding at the posted speed limit. They are very likely on their way to or from a "club" event.

They are not aholes because they ride Harleys. They ride Harelys because you can't ride in an MC if you are not riding an American Made motorcycle. (Although the european chapters of some MC's, ie, Outlaws, are allowed to ride british or german bikes. No jap bikes. Some MC's prohibit anything but HD's. I've met plenty of aholes, who ride BMW's. Uppity little pricks.

To educate you further. The TG's are an affiliate club. Meaning that their ability to wear BOTH an MC patch and bottom rocker was "bestowed" upon them by the Primary MC club in their geographic area, in this case, the Pagans.

You don't get to wear an MC patch, much less a bottom rocker unless you've received the approval of the Primary MC in that area.

You can try it. My money says you won't be wearing it long.

An affiliate club may not be a 1% club but you would best be advised not to flip them off or otherwise unnecessarily challenge them. One of the posters above said it well. Leave them alone.

Don't ask me how I know.

Call them what you want. They enjoy a camaraderie that few other organizations of any type enjoy. I'd ride with them any day.

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Give me fu*&!*g break!!! These guys are pieces of SH!#, and you're more than welcome to ride with them any day you want. Camaraderie? Oh yeah, same as you'll find in any state penn. Gee, can I be your new best friend.

"Each rider in the formation knows exactly what the rider in front, behind and next to him will do in any type of evasive maneuver, which includes eluding LEO. Civilians interjecting into that formation breeches the safety of the pack."

Get a life.

Guess these comrades didn't know "exactly" what the rider in front was going to do.

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@AFineRide..

Obviously you missed the point.

He tried to "gently" crash me into an Mack Truck... and his buddy came along laughing and pointing at me and his buddy, like a high five!


There was no pack, as I said "they are NOT together, not in a row or anything. Just straggling along."

I am smart enough not to insert myself into a pack of riders that are obviously riding in formation or as a close group.

As far as "club rules" I gotta call BS. again, they were NOT together, not in a row or anything. Just straggling along. ALSO they had a few metric bikes in the group. In fact I have seen plenty of HD groups with a metric in the group riding along, so there goes that theory..

I gotta say that @AFineRide you need to get on the right side of wrong and like @fpmlt said, "Give me fu*&!*g break!!! "

If you ride a BMW and you still beleive that these guys were right, please turn in your BMW (or any other MC that you have) and get a HD and some patches and leathers and tatoos etc and go ride with them!

Man you pissed me off taking their side!

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Paul, I didn't relay my own story on your original post, so maybe now? Years ago, 70s, I was riding a Triumph TR6 punched to 750, across country solo. Had a guy pull up on a bike, on my left, and two behind. They started to crowd a little, and I couldn't understand why. As we approached another car from behind, I timed a pass with an oncoming car. I knew I could make the pass, but didn't think the guy on my left could. I swung left forcing him out into the oncoming lane, and made the pass. Several miles later, here they come again, and did the same thing. Slow learners, as I caught the same guy with the same maneuver. After the pass I just opened it up, and none could keep up. To this day I still don't know what was on their minds. Easy fix though. And I think the LT could easily nudge a harley out into traffic

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@AFineRide..

Obviously you missed the point.


If you ride a BMW and you still believe that these guys were right, please turn in your BMW (or any other MC that you have) and get a HD and some patches and leathers and tatoos etc and go ride with them!

Man you pissed me off taking their side!
Paul; Trying to restrain myself here; Please identify the sentence in my post where I said they were "right". I just tried to explain how you may have gotten yourself in the pickle you did and then I tried to explain how MC's generally ride.

Metrics in an old school red and white or black and white. Never. Young guys in an affiliate....I can see that.

In case you can't read between the lines, I've been there.

I will ride what I choose to ride and I don't have to live up to your standards. Like I said uppity BMW prick. Chill out.

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Larry, for the record, I ride a BMW, but don't consider myself an "uppity BMW prick".
I also ride a Harley Softtail, but don't consider myself a "biker".
I also ride a Yamaha FZ1, but I don't consider myself a road racing lane splitter.
I do consider myself a motorcycle enthusiast, and I enjoy all aspects of motorcycling, with the exception of the 1% ers, whom I consider the lowest form of "bikers" only, and nothing more. For me "biker" is a derogatory term.

Considering some of your statements:

1) "They enjoy a camaraderie that few other organizations of any type enjoy. I'd ride with them any day."

Why are you here?

2) "Like I said uppity BMW prick."

Why are you here?
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Frank, thanks for posting a very appropriate reference on this topic. When the 26 Brother Speed bikers went down the first thing that came to my mind was the 2 wide one behind another formation these groups tend to follow. 26 bikes going down in one incident? Ridiculous! The staggered formation would have saved 20 + of the bikes from going down. But, while safe, the staggered formation isn't cool and bad ass. This is one of the reasons I don't like to ride in groups.

On a lighter note have a look at the following. No riders were apparently hurt in the filming of this incident. Crotch rocket not so much.........

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It's not just Harleys. I've encountered this behavior across the brand and model type board. Rude is rude. In my area the worst offenders are sport bike riders, usually at paint peeling speeds. I personally do my best to make sure my fellow riders are aware of my presence before passing them in the same lane. If I'm not sure they see me or are prepared for me to pass I will move into a different lane before passing. I don't like surprises and I always assume the other rider feels the same.

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@AFineRide,

By defending them and by stating you would ride with them anytime, you took their side and by proxy said they and you were right by trying to harm another rider.

I see from your sig line that you come from a long line of HD bikes.

Since you obviously can not read well, I will state again,

THEY WERE NOT IN A FORMATION.
THEY WERE NOT RIDING IN A ROW
THEY WERE JUST STRAGGLING ALONG

Where you sad that they were right is where you wrote "What you did "wrong" was get into their formation. The formation exists for a reason"

THEY HAD NO FORMATION!!!!!

THEY WERE STRAGGLING ALONG!!!!

You will also see that you are in the minority here. in fact you are the 1% in this thread.

I believe we all (maybe not you) are motorcycle enthusiasts here. Riding is TOO dangerous to be riding like a prick. I care for my life, my family, my riding partners and my bike.

Even if an unexperienced rider entered a so called formation there is NO grounds for trying to wreck them or drive them into a truck.

YOU missed the point!

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"Even if an unexperienced rider entered a so called formation there is NO grounds for trying to wreck them or drive them into a truck."

Dam Paul, that's just harsh!!! Does this mean you don't approve of my shotgun and snowplow fantasies? But in my defense, when I pushed my interloper into traffic, it was a car, not a truck. I hope that helps my position

As for Larry, he's certainly entitled to his opinion. I'm feeling now that he's made his clear, and I think I've made mine at least semi-transparent. I for one will no longer be responding to this post, and likely none posted by Larry in the future. Guess that's just the BMW prick in me coming out. Or maybe the Harley snob? Or even the crotchety crotch rocket?

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Nice to know about "Larry" before we ride near him.... keep your camera's rolling folks.

The "HD" riders were PUNKS.

Any of us can devolve into "knuckle dragging"... or "hammer swinging". especially me... even here on "The Board".... It is unconscionable to endanger someone like this... you never know how they will act/react.

If someone wants to "play chicken"... let them win... drop back... memorize the plates...even pull over in a safe place/manner.... and locate your CC and Cellphone...

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.....If someone wants to "play chicken"... let them win... drop back... memorize the plates...even pull over in a safe place/manner.... and locate your CC and Cellphone...
Good advice, Channing. If you're engaging in "felony stupid," even IF the cops arrive, they're going to have a "no victim, no crime" attitude. So good luck in playing the victim.

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This HA guy rides an LT.

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This is a photoshop gig. The red and white are only allowed to ride Harleys and the bikes do not belong to them they belong to the club with there old ladies.

Steer clear of these guys for sure.
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This is a photoshop gig. The red and white are only allowed to ride Harleys and the bikes do not belong to them they belong to the club with there old ladies.

Steer clear of these guys for sure.
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This is a photoshop gig.
Nope. I've seen it myself, heading down I-5 in central California.

I was running 10-over as I passed two HA's sitting in the right lane doing the speed limit. One was on an LT and one on a Sportster. They decided to pass me back, so I let them. Then we hit some traffic, and I filtered back through up front and got back on my pace.

Last I saw them in my mirrors, they were turning off towards Hollister. I didn't bother to check if it was Sonny himself or not . . .

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Considering some of your statements:

1) "They enjoy a camaraderie that few other organizations of any type enjoy. I'd ride with them any day."

Why are you here?

A) I value the information I gather from the members of this forum as it relates to technical assistance, product reviews and travel summaries.

B) I find entertainment value in some of things some people post.
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By defending them and by stating you would ride with them anytime, you took their side and by proxy said they and you were right by trying to harm another rider.

Paul, I am going to try this one more time. 1) By "Proxy" ? Where did you learn that logic? First, I didn't say I would ride with the Thunder Guard. I said I have and But in re reading my reply, I will admit I was not clear. I should have said; I have ridden and would again ride with many (not all) MC clubs because, from experience, they are that good in formation. Of course, as it was pointed out, SHI% happens and sometimes when one goes down, it get very ugly, very fast. Second, I certainly did NOT say they were right to try and harm you. Show me where I said that! I would never want to see a fellow rider go down, Patched or not....

I see from your sig line that you come from a long line of HD bikes.

Since you obviously can not read well, I will state again,

THEY WERE NOT IN A FORMATION.
THEY WERE NOT RIDING IN A ROW
THEY WERE JUST STRAGGLING ALONG

I can read just fine. I wasn't there. I didn't see how they were riding. I will concede that they were not riding in the formation you would expect of the old school MC's. They do in fact appear loosely organized in riding approach.

Where you said that they were right is where you wrote "What you did "wrong" was get into their formation. The formation exists for a reason"

Paul. Read your post. Your begged the question. "WTF did I do wrong?" I just tried to answer your question. How does answering your question translate into your conclusion that I thought they were right? Must be the same logic used above....

You will also see that you are in the minority here. in fact you are the 1% in this thread.

Ha ha ha. As if I care about "group" approval... Ha Ha Ha.....

I believe we all (maybe not you) (Huh???.. Is this a boating forum) are motorcycle enthusiasts here.

Riding is TOO dangerous to be riding like a prick. I care for my life, my family, my riding partners and my bike.

Even if an unexperienced rider entered a so called formation there is NO grounds for trying to wreck them or drive them into a truck.

You are absolutely right.




YOU missed the point!

You really think so? I think you were just looking for someone to pat you on the back and say...poor paul...what did those bad boys do to you??.. they should go to time out for scaring you ....boo hoo.

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