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post #1 of 11 Old Jul 21st, 2010, 8:36 pm Thread Starter
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I saw a 2000 K1200LT on kijiji here in Atlantic Canada, it's a 2000 with 63,000 klms on it (appx. 39,146 miles). I like the colour, a nice burgundy and the price looks pretty good too for this region IMHO at $8,250.00 CDN ($7,860.00 USD).

Here's a link to the ad:
http://moncton.kijiji.ca/c-cars-vehi...dIdZ196904996#


My father-in-law bought a 2009 LT and payed a small fortune for it, just a hair under $30,000 Canadian once the options and taxes were tallied up. Wheewww!

I was thinking that a well maintained LT would be a wiser choice for a value-minded penny pincher such as myself. The only thing that I'd be wondering about a 2000 K1200LT is how much better were the later model years as far as improvements and refinements? Are these improvements worth the extra money or is a 2000 model just about as good? It's definately way cheaper.
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Re: Is a 2000 K1200LT a whole lot different then later models?

2005 and later models:

13 more horsepower
hydraulic/electric center stand
electro hydraulic brake assist
BMW ABS brakes instead of Brembo (probably still Brembo?)
It may be that the later model years might have better final drive reliability. Rebuild older one if necessary and reliability should be on par or a little better

2009 vs. 2000

'09 available in any color you want as long as you want black
$21,750 CDN more than the 2000 you are looking at

Buy the 2000, save the difference in $ and ride it like you stole it.

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Re: Is a 2000 K1200LT a whole lot different then later models?

I have a Canyon Red (burgundy) 2000 LT that I bought in June '07 with 17,454 miles on it. It now has better than 47,000. I've had some issues with the ABS unit, but that was probably due to the brake fluid not having been changed often enough. Other than that, just maintenance and a couple upgrades. Since the one you're looking at is the Canyon Red, I'll let you in on a little secret. The Canyon Red is the best color! I'm sure somebody on here will try to dispute that. They're wrong!

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Since the one you're looking at is the Canyon Red, I'll let you in on a little secret. The Canyon Red is the best color! I'm sure somebody on here will try to dispute that. They're wrong!
I have to admit in my opinion that the Canyon Red & Barritz Blue are the two prettiest colors. Mine is Titan Silver....better than some colors, not as good as others. But I love this ride.

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Re: Is a 2000 K1200LT a whole lot different then later models?

2000 Canyon Red with 80K miles here. No problems. Good bike.
Potential problems are known, with lots of help found here, not that you're all that likely to have problems, problems get over represented here.
Nothing on later bikes is significantly better IMO.
Unless you really need a power center stand that's more trouble than it is worth.
Change in steering geometry increases risk for front end instability with limited benefit to slow speed handling.
Addn'l horsepower, nice I suppose but the 2000 is no slouch if you learn to find the power at the higher rpms.
Linked brakes are not preferable IMO, and servicing the brakes on the 2000 is easier than on the linked brake models.
If I were looking for a replacement LT, I'd be looking at an early bike.
A 2000 Canyon Red would be a good choice.
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I saw a 2000 K1200LT on kijiji here in Atlantic Canada, it's a 2000 with 63,000 klms on it (appx. 39,146 miles). I like the colour, a nice burgundy and the price looks pretty good too for this region IMHO at $8,250.00 CDN ($7,860.00 USD).

Here's a link to the ad:
http://moncton.kijiji.ca/c-cars-vehi...dIdZ196904996#


My father-in-law bought a 2009 LT and payed a small fortune for it, just a hair under $30,000 Canadian once the options and taxes were tallied up. Wheewww!

I was thinking that a well maintained LT would be a wiser choice for a value-minded penny pincher such as myself. The only thing that I'd be wondering about a 2000 K1200LT is how much better were the later model years as far as improvements and refinements? Are these improvements worth the extra money or is a 2000 model just about as good? It's definately way cheaper.

I was looking at that add myself. I Have a 2000LT with 52,000 miles on it. Never had any problems. You can't go wrong buying that bike for the price advertised. I've rode newer models and other than the hydraulic centre stand I really couldn't tell and significance difference in performance. It's hard to justify spending over $30,000.00 for a new motorcycle. Be advised though, service rates for month BMW at Atlantic Motoplex is now up to $100.00/hr. Something to be aware of if you are not handy. Good luck with you purchase.

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Re: Is a 2000 K1200LT a whole lot different then later models?

I haven't been in the LT world all that long but I will comment. The previous posts are all good. I like the 99 (assume 2000 is the same) for some of the more simplistic features as mentioned. The manual center stand is a bear till you get the hang of it but it is not interfering with other servicing like the EHCS. Also less maintenance problems. I much prefer the brake system on the 99.

I feel the same way about my 99 RT, IMHO simpler is better especially for an old wrench like me.

I did a fair amount of research on the different years prior to buying mine and I am happy with what I got. It is my understanding that the final drive was changed for the 2003 year and hence increased failures.

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I have a 2000 Basalt Gray, and I think the Canyon Red is much prettier. I actually perfer the earlier model bikes over the newer ones. I like the non linked braking system better. I bought mine in 05 with 8500 miles on it, and now have 58000. The only issue I have had is with the ABS system, and again, that is because of failure to change the brake fluids timely--at least is my belief. I actually prefer to not have the power stand. Makes changing the oil much easier (my friend has an 05) and the older bikes have a grab handle for getting it on the center stand, The 05's and newer don't have one. The extra horsepower on the 05 and newer is nice, but not that noticable to me. My buddies 05 does get slightly better gas mileage however. I do think the headlight configuration on the 05 and newer bikes is better, but that is about it, in my opinion. Go for it!
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......It is my understanding that the final drive was changed for the 2003 year and hence increased failures.......(
The final drive was changed from 2002-03. The speedometer sensor hole in the final drive was eliminated and the speedo sensor incorporated into the ABS sensor.
However, I don't recall a scatter diagram or other summation of what years have the most FD failures (the raw data is somewhat available; has anyone crunched it into a graph?).

My sense of it is that the earlier ones have failed more that the later ones. After 2005 the number of failures decreases significantly. (The 2005 period had its own special kind of FD failure involving the tapered roller bearing which is a different failure and much less common than the crownwheel bearing failures.) IMO the earlier the bike, the greater the risk for FD failure. This is not a reason to avoid these bikes. The best insurance in my opinion is a preemptive rebuild of a final drive. Learn how you might do it at CCR 2010 tech sessions. Otherwise, just ride it; estimates are that 96% of FD won't have a problem.
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Re: Is a 2000 K1200LT a whole lot different then later models?

Thanks everybody for chiming in on my post!

I wish I had the cash right now to buy this guy's 2000 LT because I think that it's a lot of bike for the money, hopefully I'll be in a better position soon. I know that this very bike was for sale last fall and he's still got it.

I agree with the comments about prefering the LT without automatic center stand, my father-in-law's one year old LT with practically zero mileage had to go in for a new center stand a few months ago, something about a bent/seized hydraulic piston.

I just can't get my head around spending 30 grand on a motorcycle, so these older ones make a lot more sense to me, at this price you could buy four used ones for the price of one new one.
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Re: Is a 2000 K1200LT a whole lot different then later models?

Just saw another used K1200LT in the Halifax area (appx. 2.5 hours away), this one has half the mileage of the 2000LT and is five years newer too, at $14,000 CDN, that's only six thousand more.

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http://halifax.kijiji.ca/c-cars-vehi...AdIdZ218017328

So, I guess that these things can be had at fairly reasonable prices if you don't require a brand spanking new bike.
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