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post #1 of 31 Old May 18th, 2010, 10:37 am Thread Starter
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The New LTs?

I have to ask if anyone here knows. Has BMW ever thought about doing a Diesel Engine for the LT line? They are the leader in Diesel Cars and I would be interested in something like this. You would not have to worry about the mileage any more and it would last even longer than its gas counterpart. If there is any company out there that can do it, it is BMW. This is something I have been thinking about for a while and had to ask about...


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post #2 of 31 Old May 18th, 2010, 10:41 am
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Diesel bikes are out there (http://www.dieselbike.net). Not sure if BMW is considering a concept. The big problem isn't the technology (obviously), its rider acceptance. IMO.

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Diesel engines tend to be much heavier due to compression/strength requirements and stink. I have to admit, I don't want a heavier bike or one that smells like jet A or Diesel.

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reply in jest...

it could mean acceptance of the LT *FOGGER* system so well known for parking the bike on its side stand....

maybe a dual speed rear end... MAke MINE a 10 speed!


ok ok..
but if it wouldnt clatter, like the old diesels, and not have a vertical stacks out back, or a urea based capture system to change.
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I will tell you this. If those Clowns in Washington, DC. pass that Energy Bill -"Cap and Trade"- I won't care what my bike smells like, sounds like, how heavy it is, or anything. We in this Country will be facing $5.00 to $10.00 a gallon gas prices. So I would like to see BMW do a Concept Diesel Bike now so they can work all the bugs out now. I just think that is a Great Idea and would Love to see it.


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Dieselcars are very popular here in europe. In some european countries they are selling more cars with diesel than gasoline engine.

I´m sure that they have thought about using diesel on a motorcycle-motor. But maybe they are putting focus on something new; hybrid, electricity/batteries, biogas. Diesel-engine is much heavier which also matters when talking about motorcycles.

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I have to ask if anyone here knows. Has BMW ever thought about doing a Diesel Engine for the LT line? They are the leader in Diesel Cars and I would be interested in something like this. You would not have to worry about the mileage any more and it would last even longer than its gas counterpart. If there is any company out there that can do it, it is BMW. This is something I have been thinking about for a while and had to ask about...
I'll stand corrected, but I doubt most folks worry about the engine life of their LTs.

Of all the things that we have problems with (slave seal, shift linkage, Final Drive), the engine is not an issue. 200k not a problem with the LTs engin without a tear down.

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Diesel engines tend to be much heavier due to compression/strength requirements and stink. I have to admit, I don't want a heavier bike or one that smells like jet A or Diesel.

I like the smell of Jet A in the morning, but I agree that I do not want any more weight!

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http://www.dieselmotorfiets.nl/

I'd buy it just for the sound of the motor. Kind of reminds me of an old jeep.
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Diesel fuel won't curb the appetite for oil. It takes the same to make either gasoline or diesel, and in Europe diesel is much cheaper than gasoline only because it is taxed at a much lower rate, hence all the turbo diesel engines.
Interestingly enough over 75% of Paris taxi cabs are Mercedes diesel with a manual transmission.
Hey, if you want to reduce dependency on foreign oil by 10% or more we should all drive sticks instead of automatic transmissions. Added benefits would include less people texting, eating, or doing their nails while driving a stick. I know...

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Well, I just took delivery on the new K1800LT based on the "Concept 6" motor. Freaking Awesome! This thing screams, and has all the comfort of my old K1200LT plus more. Plug-in for my i-pod, heated everything, the stock seat is better than the custom made that I had on the K1200LT. WOW! I love this bike. I got the extended warranty so no worries about 1st year model issues.....
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WTF? really????

the new LT is out. Charlie, don't play with us.

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Charlie are you doing the old oil spill trick again !!!! !!!


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Who is Charlie fooling? Me thinks he would be tearing into the new final drive for a pre-ride examination...

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WTF? really????

the new LT is out. Charlie, don't play with us.
Well, actually...... I got tired of the diesel LT concept and thought I'd throw something else into the mix. I mean, seriously, a diesel LT?
My New Holland tractor is a diesel, works great. With my Woods 9000 backhoe, that thing really "digs in".
Maybe a diesel GoldWing Interstate-D (for diesel); yeah, that would work.
Or a HD Road Kingdom Super-D (for diesel); hummmm.... I like that even better

Okay, maybe a diesel LT isn't all that ridiculous, but I just don't see the performance; turbo?
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We will all be riding the new Honda Cub electric if Big O has his way. Nuf said

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Well, I just took delivery on the new K1800LT based on the "Concept 6" motor. Freaking Awesome! This thing screams, and has all the comfort of my old K1200LT plus more. Plug-in for my i-pod, heated everything, the stock seat is better than the custom made that I had on the K1200LT. WOW! I love this bike. I got the extended warranty so no worries about 1st year model issues.....
I don't have any more time to post about my new bike right now, I'm going for a ride.
Are snow tires and chains available options now? :-)

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Look Boys and Girls. All I was saying is that, I feel as if a Diesel Version of the LT would get better MPG. Mine gets about 50 mpg now and if they did a Diesel LT, that might go up to maybe 60 or 70 mpg. Im not saying that for any other reason than that. You know the more MPG you can get, the more $ money $ you can save. I drive a semi for a living and I am around diesels all the time and I am at least open to the idea.


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Diesel fuel won't curb the appetite for oil. It takes the same to make either gasoline or diesel, and in Europe diesel is much cheaper than gasoline only because it is taxed at a much lower rate, hence all the turbo diesel engines.
Interestingly enough over 75% of Paris taxi cabs are Mercedes diesel with a manual transmission.
Hey, if you want to reduce dependency on foreign oil by 10% or more we should all drive sticks instead of automatic transmissions. Added benefits would include less people texting, eating, or doing their nails while driving a stick. I know...
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The Track T-800cdi has replaced the spot on my wish list that the 1150GS used to take. That bike is awesome, have to wait till next year till it becomes available here though (UK)
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Look Boys and Girls. All I was saying is that, I feel as if a Diesel Version of the LT would get better MPG. Mine gets about 50 mpg now and if they did a Diesel LT, that might go up to maybe 60 or 70 mpg. Im not saying that for any other reason than that. You know the more MPG you can get, the more $ money $ you can save. I drive a semi for a living and I am around diesels all the time and I am at least open to the idea.
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Want to save money with a motorcycle? Get the tire makers to build a tire that will last like a car tire.
Yeah, I'm really tired of the conspiracy of the motorcycle tire companies building tires that wears out too fast. cheez... they must think we're really dumb to not know they can make a motorcycle tire that will last as long as car tires.
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Hey, if you want to reduce dependency on foreign oil by 10% or more we should all drive sticks instead of automatic transmissions.

A lot of newer 6 & 7 speed automatic transmissions have better MPG than their manual counterparts. The new Honda Civics are an example - combined city/highway is 1 mpg better with the auto tranny. 6 cyl Ford Ranger also gets same MPG city & 1 MPG better hwy with auto.

Nowadays the difference is very slim (<1%) on many vehicles.

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I agree. New cars (in the last 3-4 years at most) have been designed with far better transmission/engine control systems, so much so that it is doubtful that any normal driver could get better mileage with a manual transmission. So much work has gone into the electronics of both the engine and transmission controls, and programming for better efficiency that it would take a very good and consistent driver to even hope to do better. Even my 10 year old BMW 740il, which is a pretty large, heavy car with a pretty big V8 gets 24+ MPG on the highway. Don't think I would do better if it was a manual.




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Hey, if you want to reduce dependency on foreign oil by 10% or more we should all drive sticks instead of automatic transmissions.

A lot of newer 6 & 7 speed automatic transmissions have better MPG than their manual counterparts. The new Honda Civics are an example - combined city/highway is 1 mpg better with the auto tranny. 6 cyl Ford Ranger also gets same MPG city & 1 MPG better hwy with auto.

Nowadays the difference is very slim (<1%) on many vehicles.

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Charlie!!!! Shame, shame, shame! That was like throwing a hunk of prime beef to starving dogs!!!! Or, better yet, just outside the reach but still in view of starving dogs!

Nobody believed it but everyone wanted to.

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Well, I just took delivery on the new K1800LT based on the "Concept 6" motor. Freaking Awesome! This thing screams, and has all the comfort of my old K1200LT plus more. Plug-in for my i-pod, heated everything, the stock seat is better than the custom made that I had on the K1200LT. WOW! I love this bike. I got the extended warranty so no worries about 1st year model issues.....
I don't have any more time to post about my new bike right now, I'm going for a ride.

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Yeah, I'm really tired of the conspiracy of the motorcycle tire companies building tires that wears out too fast. cheez... they must think we're really dumb to not know they can make a motorcycle tire that will last as long as car tires.
Maybe we should organize a boycott or something?....

All we need to do is get over this insane practice of actually making turns or going around curves....but then if we did that we would be riding Harleys.

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Oh, I dunno, Benny... I was thinking a JetA motor would match the look of the LT better than a diesel..

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Granted the current Track is a 800cc motor, but at 100 mpg, that is like double what my LT can get. Yes, the LT is heavier than the Track, but who wouldnt want a motor to haul them around at 100 mpg? Can you imagine going 600 miles between fuel stops!
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I don't agree on getting similar mileage using modern auto-tranny, as compared to manual shift. maybe only at costant speed on a straight line.

I just changed from a BMW 320d with a 6-speed electronic gearbox, to the same car with manual shift. Both cars were brand new and I used them for one year before changing. Average with auto-tranny was 12-13km per litre of diesel, while I'm doing 16-17 with the stick. I think it's also due to the way I drive, keeping the car at very low revs and using the good torque of the BMW diesel engine. The auto-gearbox won't do that.

I'm interested on the diesel bike concept though, although my 320d engine is filling the bonnet space way more than a 320i engine. Wondering how that difference in size would fit on a bike ...

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ooooooohhhhhhh......I'm droolin'!! A Jet Bike......for a measly $185K.....I may have to wait for a used one to pop up on craigslist for under $20K or just buy the new LT and be happy with that as second best! On the other hand, the reason I don't ride the RS is because I know what I'd be tempted to do every time I get on the bike.....SPEED!!

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Oh, I dunno, Benny... I was thinking a JetA motor would match the look of the LT better than a diesel..

Have you seen the Jet bike built in my hometown in Louisiana? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NFGy-A68_vY


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There are two kinds of motorcyclists.....those that ride BMWs....and those that wish they did!

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