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Does anyone know of a source for the fairing screws? I assume I can get them from the dealer, but they are probably pricey and I need only a few to have on hand. I checked already with Beemer Boneyard and will check ebay, but wanted to see if any supporting vendors sell them.

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post #2 of 35 Old May 12th, 2010, 10:01 pm
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There was an outfit that made specific pre-packed stainless steel fastener kits for various bikes (I bought it once for my old K12RS) - but I cannot find any info now, maybe others will chime in.

Failing that, try Bike Bolts .

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I purchased these from our local hardware store-stainless steel and shiny, but what the heck? They have been doing just fine so far for two years now...
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I too bought mine at a local hardware store, but I got chrome ones and used those where they're exposed, and kept the others as spares.
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http://www.murphskits.com/catalog/

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There are really nice stainless steel screw kits available for $49 on ebay. They look nice compared tot he stock screws. They come sorted and take minutes to swap out. Here is a link to a current auction on eBay:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/BMW-K...ht_4722wt_1134

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If you elect to go aftermarket check your new screws for iron content using a magnet. I would suggest the use of anti-seize compound regardless when using any after-market screw. As an alternative, you can find out it's a good idea the hard way like I did.
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I used mcmaster-carr. Quick shipping, and they had the stainless size that matched that I was looking for.

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Hopefully this link works and gets you close!

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There are really nice stainless steel screw kits available for $49 on ebay. They look nice compared tot he stock screws. They come sorted and take minutes to swap out. Here is a link to a current auction on eBay:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/BMW-K...ht_4722wt_1134
I already ordered some from the dealer, but this likely would have been a better deal!

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$49 will buy you 8-12 screws from BMW dealership.......

The ebay kit has 127 fasteners in it for the same price.

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This is one of the reasons why we have have a crappy dealer network- BMW Owners (myself included) do a horrible job of supporting the dealer.

In order to save ...say 5 cents a screw, we won't visit the dealer. These small purchases help to keep the lights on in dealerships. Throw them a bone- buy your screws, cleaners, farkles, etc every once and a while.

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This is one of the reasons why we have have a crappy dealer network- BMW Owners (myself included) do a horrible job of supporting the dealer.

In order to save ...say 5 cents a screw, we won't visit the dealer. These small purchases help to keep the lights on in dealerships. Throw them a bone- buy your screws, cleaners, farkles, etc every once and a while.

When you're local dealer goes out of business, don't whine about it here.
Based on wa1200lt's cost estimate Bones are about all we'd have left if we bought the little things from the stealer....8-12 screws would cost $4.08 - $6.13 each, or a total of $518.16 - 778.51. In actuality, the screws range from $0.80-$1.20 at MAX BMW's Fiche web site.

OEM = $127 at $0.80 ea to $152.40 at $1.20 ea

If you're willing to toss clams for just a few replacements or spares, I'd go with the dealer....if you're going to do an entire replacement (complete set of 127 screws), I'd probably go with third party manufacturers or suppliers.....if I ever need to buy the kit, it'll be from the likes of cfell's or wa1200lt's recommendation.

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+1 for BlauBeeMr....
While I have a local stealer, I would change brands before I purchased ANYTHING from them. Service sucks, staff is rude and the prices are through the roof (but you get free soda!!!). Others are good, and I would do on-line purchases to support them IF the price is in-line with aftermarket items. I do realise that sometimes OEM is better...

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This is one of the reasons why we have have a crappy dealer network- BMW Owners (myself included) do a horrible job of supporting the dealer.

In order to save ...say 5 cents a screw, we won't visit the dealer. These small purchases help to keep the lights on in dealerships. Throw them a bone- buy your screws, cleaners, farkles, etc every once and a while.

When you're local dealer goes out of business, don't whine about it here.

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+1 for BlauBeeMr....
While I have a local stealer, I would change brands before I purchased ANYTHING from them. Service sucks, staff is rude and the prices are through the roof (but you get free soda!!!). Others are good, and I would do on-line purchases to support them IF the price is in-line with aftermarket items. I do realise that sometimes OEM is better...
That is unfortunate. I have been quite happy with my "local" dealer. They are pretty friendly, helpful, have free coffee, a showroom dog and often fresh cookies. My only problem is that they are 120 miles away and this is the closest dealer to me. If they were within 20 miles I would be one happy camper!

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The website for the Stainless steel screw set has changed - its under ebay motors
motorcycle - European replacement parts for "Desmo motor" or at the following link

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/BMW-K...item35b36bc3ce

49.00 usd plus 8.00 for Priority Mail shipping (takes PayPal and CC)

Good deal as many have said - stock dealer price for same would run
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Let me know if you find the torx head with the flange just like the BMW screw. I have yet to find an exact aftermarket replacement.

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Yup those are purty screws but the heads are smaller and don't spread the load as well as the stock ones. There has to be a good source out there some where for torx with the large head surface

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Yup those are purty screws but the heads are smaller and don't spread the load as well as the stock ones. There has to be a good source out there some where for torx with the large head surface
You are correct, this is why I also used stainless washers to give the screw a bigger crown.
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did you want stainless or the black oxide.
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I have looked hi and lo for black oxide, stainless steel, oversized head with T-25 Torx drive most likely this is a BMW screw specification and no others seem to handle it - I have tried all the nut and bolt houses no luck . . .

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You can get all of the "correct" hardware from the dealer.

The most common screw on this bike costs $ 1.20.

http://www.maxbmwmotorcycles.com/fic...aspx?vid=51717

And you can order on line !

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You can get all of the "correct" hardware from the dealer.

The most common screw on this bike costs $ 1.20.

http://www.maxbmwmotorcycles.com/fic...aspx?vid=51717

And you can order on line !
True - but at 3 times the cost $152. versus $49. -- but then Drew at MAXBMW
has saved my tail more than once and a wheel barrel full of cash I had not even
thought about the "flare" or over-sized head on the factory screws - I'll post what
I receive later a stainless washer may do the trick but at added cost and labor?
Why is it the factory shops charge so much? I had to replace my FM antenna
because the little (not more than 50 cents) spring that completes the wire contact
had broken - $178.00 from local BMW shop - $61.00 from MAXBMW same part,
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the is a BMW service authorized and charges $12.95 same filter - same vendor
same shipping costs - I think the internet - MAXBMW, Beemerboneyard and
others will be the death of BMW factory parts except maybe big ticket or sole source items - to enjoy the mothership you have to maintain it my opinion is it pays to
shop around and look for an independent service shop - ride happy!

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i ordered some black oxide m5 screws from a place called 4cHobby. They are the flanged head like factory. I should have them today or tomorrow, I will post my comment on them after I have one in my hand
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i ordered some black oxide m5 screws from a place called 4cHobby. They are the flanged head like factory. I should have them today or tomorrow, I will post my comment on them after I have one in my hand
I have been able to find the flange head with the hex but not the torx.

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Nice looking alternative-not sure if they are stainless: http://www.4chobbysupply.com/servlet/the-2509/M5-x-10mm-Flanged/Detail $4/dozen. Nice

I personally prefer the hex drive over the torx drive even though there are strong feelings by some that torx is infinitely superior.

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i ordered some black oxide m5 screws from a place called 4cHobby. They are the flanged head like factory. I should have them today or tomorrow, I will post my comment on them after I have one in my hand

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Nice looking alternative-not sure if they are stainless: http://www.4chobbysupply.com/servlet/the-2509/M5-x-10mm-Flanged/Detail $4/dozen. Nice

I personally prefer the hex drive over the torx drive even though there are strong feelings by some that torx is infinitely superior.

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They are steel, not stainless steel like the stock screws. They WILL rust.

And yes, Torx is FAR superior to hex. Socket will not strip nearly as easy as hex, can transmit far more torque in same size, and in a pinch the next size down Torx wrench will work quite well, cannot do that with hex.

I have never heard anyone give a valid technical reason for liking hex better than Torx. What is yours? Used to be ease of getting hex wrenches, but now Torx wrenches are just about as easy to get since more and more manufacturers are switching to Torx. It is MUCH better in production assembly environments.

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I have never heard anyone give a valid technical reason for liking hex better than Torx.
The only thing I like better about allen screws is being able to use ball drivers in tight places, although that does lead to stripping heads easier.

Otherwise, Torx just works better.

As for fairing screws, I got lucky and found someone parting out a whole bike, so I bought all the screws, clips, and connectors in a big baggie. Now I have a huge supply of every size used on my bike . . .

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The only thing I like better about allen screws is being able to use ball drivers in tight places, although that does lead to stripping heads easier.

Otherwise, Torx just works better.

As for fairing screws, I got lucky and found someone parting out a whole bike, so I bought all the screws, clips, and connectors in a big baggie. Now I have a huge supply of every size used on my bike . . .
I also discovered that using the next size down torx driver works a lot like a ball driver, and you can drive a screw in or out at a pretty large angle that way. Cannot put a lot of torque on it, but ball drivers for hex are also torque limited, used mostly for running screws in and out, not for final torque application. Many ball drivers have been broken by trying to tighten screws too much with them. Don't ask me how I know that.

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I bought all the screws, clips, and connectors in a big baggie. Now I have a huge supply of every size used on my bike . . .
Psssst... Ken.... You got the stuff??

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Psssst... Ken.... You got the stuff??
I sure do.

I'd be glad to share, but the only problem is that these are Slant/4 GT screws, so they're all shiny stainless steel and not the back oxide like on the LT . . .

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Sometimes there are other than technical reasons why a person would prefer one type of item over a similar, yet different, item. My reasons are quite simple and infinitely non technical. 1.) If I lose one I can replace it at the local hardware store. 2.) I don't have to go to the POS dealer to replace any lost or damaged screws nor do I have to wait to receive one or more of them via mail order. 3.) My bike came with both torque and hex bolts. I would rather have just one type. See 1 and 2 above.

Technically superior? Maybe, but I don't care. I would rather have hex.

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They are steel, not stainless steel like the stock screws. They WILL rust.

And yes, Torx is FAR superior to hex. Socket will not strip nearly as easy as hex, can transmit far more torque in same size, and in a pinch the next size down Torx wrench will work quite well, cannot do that with hex.

I have never heard anyone give a valid technical reason for liking hex better than Torx. What is yours? Used to be ease of getting hex wrenches, but now Torx wrenches are just about as easy to get since more and more manufacturers are switching to Torx. It is MUCH better in production assembly environments.

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The only thing I like better about allen screws is being able to use ball drivers in tight places, although that does lead to stripping heads easier....

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I also discovered that using the next size down torx driver works a lot like a ball driver, and you can drive a screw in or out at a pretty large angle that way....

Or you could use ball end Torx tools.
http://www.amazon.com/Wiha-36692-Tor...771635&sr=8-23

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http://www.amazon.com/Wiha-36226-Scr...770374&sr=8-10

For the tuperwear , I use a sears torx screw driver. http://www.sears.com/shc/s/p_10153_1...&blockType=G18

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I have never heard anyone give a valid technical reason for liking hex better than Torx. What is yours? Used to be ease of getting hex wrenches, but now Torx wrenches are just about as easy to get since more and more manufacturers are switching to Torx. It is MUCH better in production assembly environments.
My only like for hex is the tool itself. Since they are made of hex stock, once the end wears down a quick hit with a grinder or sander to take off the worn end yields a fresh tool. I have the same issue with ball ends. Once they are worn, they are junk. I will say I haven't worn through a Torx yet so it's less of an issue. I have seen them abused and need to be replaced so it would be nice if manufactures would put more length on the heads so they can be dressed a couple of times before discarding.

Having said that, I agree with everything you said about Torx and their superiority over hex. I wouldn't go to hex fasteners for the reasons I stated, just an observation about the renewability of the tool itself.
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How about Well Nuts?

I had to replace a few Well Nuts on my LT and ordered some of the aftermarket ones and they were just not the same.

They did not have the metal washer and also did not have the bumps like the original well nuts that help them stay in place.

Now the OEM well nuts are pretty expensive, but I would use the ones from BMW if I had to get some more.

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