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post #1 of 29 Old Mar 16th, 2010, 9:24 am Thread Starter
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What would you choose?

Greetings all!

I am new to the forum and considering joining the ranks of BMW owners. I have been riding the other brand (HD) for many years and frankly, I am bored with them!

I have demo' ed an LT and really like the handling, power, and extra's included with the bike from the factory. Read; heated seats and grips, power wind shield, reverse, ect...

Locally I have found two very nice LT's for sale:

1) 2005 with 40K miles for about 10 grand.

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2) 2000 with 24K miles and new tires for 8 grand.

The question being, besides the money is the higher mileage bike a better bet because it is newer? I am a bit concerned about the mileage.

Which would you choose??

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Both bikes sound great. I love my '05 and I am about to turn 60,000mi. I hope it is still worth at least $10,000 but its not for sale. I guess overall maintenance would be most important between the two. Personally I would prefer the one that was ridden regularly and taken care properly. 15000mi shouldn't be a measurable difference between the bikes.

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The 05 has more horsepower, a different seat and a electric centerstand!

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I'd go with the 05. More horsepower, digital dash, electric center stand. Plus the older bikes w little mileage can have problems w seals since they sit for long periods of times.

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While I would go for the 2005 I feel that both bikes are overpriced.
8 grand for a 2000? They must kidding!
And you can get a 2005 in the $8-9k with that kind of mileage, unless the bike has tons of extra, such a intercom, GPS, additional lights, etc..., or better yet - an extended warranty.
If I were you I would shop around a little before pulling the trigger.
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I'd go with the 05. More horsepower, digital dash, electric center stand. Plus the older bikes w little mileage can have problems w seals since they sit for long periods of times.
There is also a change to the rake of the front fork on the '05, which makes it handle better at slow speeds. All considered, I would probably go with the '05.

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8 grand for a 2000? They must kidding!
Spot on.... Some people think they have gold, Good for them! I hope they all go at this price. this way I will actually make some on Barbara when I trade up. Like almost 3 grand!

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All things considered either would be fine. The prices for both seem to be a little high. Don't let the more horsepower be a make or break deal for you either. I'm on my third, the first two were a '00 and '01, and the '05 and newer models were never able to pull away from me, and I tended to get better gas mileage overall. I'm not saying anything about the '02 I've just purchased because, I'm still doing the maintenance on it after it sat for a year and I'm not sure what my wrist will be doing as this bike has a Rhinewest chip and Rhemus exhaust. It could suffer big time in the mileage department.

OBTW, I purchased this one with 107,145 miles on the speedometer.

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I agree with all of the above replies. I would add that the newer seat is less comfortable and you will more than likely end up buying an after-market replacement.

Before you finally put down your hard earned cash you need to decide how you're going to use the bike. It seems common case that LT's are unbeatable for two up touring, but if most of your riding is solo you'd be well advised to check out a R1200RT.
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Greetings all!

I am new to the forum and considering joining the ranks of BMW owners. I have been riding the other brand (HD) for many years and frankly, I am bored with them!

I have demo' ed an LT and really like the handling, power, and extra's included with the bike from the factory. Read; heated seats and grips, power wind shield, reverse, ect...

Locally I have found two very nice LT's for sale:

1) 2005 with 40K miles for about 10 grand.

OR

2) 2000 with 24K miles and new tires for 8 grand.

The question being, besides the money is the higher mileage bike a better bet because it is newer? I am a bit concerned about the mileage.

Which would you choose??

Thanks to all!
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Mileage isn't an issue, 40K is just broken in on an LT. I don't think you could go wrong either way. Buying the 2000 gives you an extra $2k for farkles and such, which is an important part of the ownership process.

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I purchased an 05 LT in October 09, with a trailer by www.adventuresportsproducts.com

20K, with nav, floor boards, jpegs for 13,000.

Also have a 97 1100RT with 80 k on it. The LT is by far more comfortable, and the RT is more fun to ride.

Hope this helps, Chris
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40K is just getting started so don't let the mileage get you.
But don't be afraid of the 24K 2000 either. I'm thinking $6500 unless it's got tons O' farkles.

I agree that a much better deal could be had on either of these bikes.

Shop some more......You'll get as good or better a bike at a better price.

The newer ones have Electric Center Stand, A little different rake. Maybe two more horsepower and a separate high/low beam...Not worth two grand.
The older ones get the best mileage....Pre 02's had a different gearing.

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Thanks to all for your input! I am taking the 05 for a spin tommorrow and I will see what the dealer is willing to do with the price.

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Either bike is good, but one is five years old and the other is ten, so you may be getting a better resale value with the '05 should you sell it in few years. The electric center stand on the '05 is definitely a plus. These bikes are heavy as hell and you don't want to park it on the side stand too long. In addition keep in mind that this is not a Harley where you have a side stand that locks when parked. If you park the LT with its front facing even slightly downhill, either on its center stand or the side stand, the bike could just roll down the hill on the smallest movement.

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+1 on the 05 .
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At speed in 5th gear, the 2000 will turn about 400 rpms less than the 2005, consequently, the '00 will get better mileage than the '05. Both bikes will get better mileage at higher elevations. Both bikes make around 85 lb/ft of torque, so, the additional horsepower in the '05 is moot unless you are constantly running 6000+ rpm (even then you probably won't notice any real difference). My '00 has a Rhinewest chip; I can pull away from a '05-and-newer model in a 5th gear roll-on against a rider of similar weight.

Both bikes are excellent choices. As others have said, the asking prices for both bikes are little high (but, I would not sell my '00 for $8K).

Many riders have 100K-200K on their LT's. I would not be the least bit concerned about 40K on an LT; they are liquid-cooled engines and will last much longer than an air-cooled engine before needing any major work.

Enjoy the decision process, you can't go wrong with either choice.
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Welcome to the forum. I am also new too as I just picked up an 05 with 8,500 miles for $9,300. The bike was your basic LT and had very few upgrades. I bought the bike as the price was great. To give you an idea of prices in the Philly area, LT's are running about $6,000 or so for a 2000 w/ 15,000 miles or a 99 for $4,000+ w/ 40,000 miles. Personally, do some investigation on Craig's list and ebay. You will get a handle on the prices around your area to help negociate the best deal.

Hope this helps. Just be smart on buying and be prepared to WALK if the price is too high. There is always a deal on motorcycles if you have cash in hand.

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Spend as much money as you have in the budget. Then figure another $2K to change things you learn to dislike. Certainly get the upgraded center-stand. They are good machines. I have about 23K on my 09 with no problems.
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Then figure another $2K to change things you learn to dislike.
I love everything about my '05 except the stock seats. Just spent over $700 replacing them. Then if you need new tires, arm rests, etc., but you can't beat the electronic center stand.
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My preference would be the higher mileage bike that was ridden and maintained regularly. I have bought low mile vehicles in the past that I thought were a 'steal'.....and poured a lot of extra cash into replacing seals and things the like that had dried out and hardened from lack of use. I doubt that would be a problem with the LT, but I would still lean toward the bike that had more constant use and owner involvement. Plus, I really like my '05, prior year bikes are just fine, but I like my dash and few extra HP.....and the power centerstand is actually useful with a heavily laden bike at the end of a 700 mile day.

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I have a '05 and really like it. When parking it on the kick stand, it might be a good idea to put it in 1st gear when you turn her off. She won't likely roll on ya. I learned that the hard way from parking on a bit of a down slope. The '05 is a great bike.

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saw this today.... it's up for bid on ebay BMW : K-Series 2005 BMW K1200LT, Ocean Blue Metallic, MINT!

might give you an idea of what interest we have in the area.
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don't forget to check out the classifieds section on this site. Got my 2008 with 1250 miles and 2 1/2 years left on the warranty for $16K.
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I'd go for the older bike with less miles.
Personal opinion:
Power center stand is unnecessary unless you are handicaped somehow. More problems, more weight.
The change in front end geometry supposedly improves low speed handling, not sure it makes a big difference and it also predisposes to front end wobble.
Linked brakes aren't needed and complicate brake fluid services.
Both bikes aren't gonna bring much resale value if you keep 'em a couple of years; splitting hairs there IMO. Knock off $2K down to $6K. That'd be a good buy.
People keep talking about old seals leaking like this was the 1960s and the vehicle was an MG. Geez, these modern seals don't age just sitting like that. They may leak someday, but the 00 isn't anymore likely to leak than the 05 is.
Have fun deciding.
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What CHARLIEVT said. I have an '01 and love it. I seldom use the center stand and it is not hard to lift one of these beasties. When I bought I was considering an Ocean Blue '05 and the one I got. The '01 won out because it came with a Hannigan side car.

Bottom line? I don't see how you could go wrong with either of them.

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While I would go for the 2005 I feel that both bikes are overpriced.
8 grand for a 2000? They must kidding!
And you can get a 2005 in the $8-9k with that kind of mileage, unless the bike has tons of extra, such a intercom, GPS, additional lights, etc..., or better yet - an extended warranty.
If I were you I would shop around a little before pulling the trigger.
We are still in the Winter months and you should be able to negotiate a better deal. JM2CW
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Thank to all for your valuable insight and opinions! When all the wheeling and dealing was done I was out the door with the '05 for a dime under the 10K mark including TTL. Because the bike had 40K miles, it had the total dealer service done with valve adjustment and all fluids flushed and filled. I insisted on a new battery and the dealer kicked in a fresh one.

In the upper midwest area there are not a lot of '05 and newer LT's around for sale. My research on the net could find a few for a "fly and ride" but at a higher cost for the bike plus the transportion cost and time off work to go get it. Please dont reply if you think I paid too much, it would just take the fun out of my latest purchase!

After three weeks of ownership I am very pleased with my purchase! The bike is worlds apart from my HD on many levels. However, my HD did have a powered AUX input to plug in an IPod and I think the Tour Pac was larger also.

Yesterday I spent some time cleaning and greasing the shift linkage (with help from this forum ) and I am happy to report that the only thing I did not like about this bike (sloppy shift linkage) has been fixed!

Thanks again, and I look forward to enjoying this forum for a long time!

See you on the road,
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Congratulations on your new to you bike! I recently bought a 2000 LT and I love it! The only caveat is be careful stopping. If you don't keep your front wheel straight and be careful with the use of the front brake in the final stages of stopping, the darned thing will flop on it's side on you! It's kinda' embarrassing and if your significant other is with you, hard to live down. It's also a handful to pick up.

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