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Hand cramping assistance

It has been a while since I posted a question.

As I get older, it's all about comfort, and no better bike than the LT.

On long rides, my right hands always cramps up. Uusally turns numb.

I have heard of some gel based gloves, not sure if they work.

Any suggestions on how to correct this?
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I have found that mine does that when I grip it too hard. Try loosening up your grip a bit and see if that helps. I hold the throttle with the hand out flat rather than a "death grip" on the thing and it seems to help. I have to force myself to do it as I tend to forget and start squeezing it again and the hand goes numb. The only time I use cruise is when it does go numb so I can shake it out really good. Cruise control on a long distance bike is asking for it as fatigue sets in we naturally slow down our speed to compensate. With cruise engaged you run the risk of over driving your capability as the day wears on.

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Grip Puppies:
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I use both but the Cramp Buster can slip if installed over the Grip Puppies so I recently removed the Puppie from under the Buster, problem fixed.

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Doug nails it... I use to get that cramping in the palm... especially when I would encounter rush hour stupidity. GP's made a huge diff... Also, I fiddle with things when I feel like I am "locked" to the handle bars... shift mirror(s), reset TRIP A, adjust sound, wipe windshield... anything to get my hands to do something else.

Now if I can just find a way to stop the hip cramp problem...

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Re: Hand cramping assistance

+ 1 on the cramp buster. My fingers are always over the brake lever & I just palm the throttle & use my thumb for acceleration.

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+ 1 on the cramp buster. My fingers are always over the brake lever & I just palm the throttle & use my thumb for acceleration.
I continue to see repeat recommendations for Crampbusters. A couple of years ago I was rear ended by a rider whose glove strap caught on his Crampbuster resulting in unintended acceleration into the rear of my bike. Fortunately it did not cause either of us to go down. Since that time I have heard a variety of tales where it appears that Crampbusters were a contributing factor. I think it is important to note them as "contributing" since it probably unfair to list them as THE cause in any of the incidents I have been made aware of.

Have others heard tales of crashes where the use of a Crampbuster was implicated?

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I have found that mine does that when I grip it too hard. Try loosening up your grip a bit and see if that helps. I hold the throttle with the hand out flat rather than a "death grip" on the thing and it seems to help. I have to force myself to do it as I tend to forget and start squeezing it again and the hand goes numb. The only time I use cruise is when it does go numb so I can shake it out really good. Cruise control on a long distance bike is asking for it as fatigue sets in we naturally slow down our speed to compensate. With cruise engaged you run the risk of over driving your capability as the day wears on.
I agree with the statement of relaxing your grip, but Cruise is easily the best remedy for
hand cramping, you do not have to use it for extended lengths of time for relief, just a few minutes
every time you feel the cramps onset, then set it, and shake the cramp out for a bit.

I can say after having cruise, then a bike without, you sure do miss it, and I will always
ensure any bike in the future has it.


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I continue to see repeat recommendations for Crampbusters. A couple of years ago I was rear ended by a rider whose glove strap caught on his Crampbuster resulting in unintended acceleration into the rear of my bike. Fortunately it did not cause either of us to go down. Since that time I have heard a variety of tales where it appears that Crampbusters were a contributing factor. I think it is important to note them as "contributing" since it probably unfair to list them as THE cause in any of the incidents I have been made aware of.

Have others heard tales of crashes where the use of a Crampbuster was implicated?
I did not crash, but almost put a Harley Ultra in the ditch because of a Crampbuster. I was riding through a series of twisties pretty aggressively (well, at least as aggressively as you can with a Harley), was going into a right hand curve and didn't realize as I was pressuring the right grip to make the turn I was also pushing on the Crampbuster. Of course, the bike was NOT slowing down. I realized at the last second what I was doing, managed to get the beast slowed and practically left every piece of chrome on the right hand side of the bike on the pavement as I cranked it through the turn. After the turn, I stopped the bike, cleaned out my drawers, took the Crampbuster off the hand grip, threw it in the ditch and I will NEVER use one again.

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The best help for the problem is the simple friction wheel on Harleys. I keep the friction point just where I can completely relax my grip, but easily work the throttle when I need to. I wish my BMW had it.
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Re: Hand cramping assistance

Guys, thank you. Lots of good info here. This is why I enjoy the LT site.

I have seen these gloves that have gel inserts. Not sure if these would help. But, already have 9 pairs of gloves, do I really need another pair?

I saw these folks at a bike show in Norcross, GA last week.

www.qwigloves.com
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Re: Hand cramping assistance

I agree with jzeiler as first solution along with making use of the cruise control when safe to do so. then if those do not work, look at some of the other solutions mentioned.

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http://www.ridersworkshop.com/Soft-Hands.pdf

Check out this article it talks about several reasons to have softhands.

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Originally Posted by ehaughn
It has been a while since I posted a question.

As I get older, it's all about comfort, and no better bike than the LT.

On long rides, my right hands always cramps up. Uusally turns numb.

I have heard of some gel based gloves, not sure if they work.

Any suggestions on how to correct this?

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Re: Hand cramping assistance

Found mine did the same I bought a pair fingerless gloves with really a good grip now I don't have the problem with cramping. I think its from the grips being rather smallish in diameter and there is a tendency to really clamp down on the grips because of that.

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It has been a while since I posted a question.

As I get older, it's all about comfort, and no better bike than the LT.

On long rides, my right hands always cramps up. Uusally turns numb.

I have heard of some gel based gloves, not sure if they work.

Any suggestions on how to correct this?

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Re: Hand cramping assistance

I put on some grip puppies, that helped a lot, but cruise control is the best. Also, if you put some baby powder into the gloves, sort of makes the fingers and palms feel cool!

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And, Kevin, you have got to get a ride out of the Northwest! Two states does not make it! Take a ride, chuckle!!

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I have some hand problems and have found the Kuryakyn Throttle Boos to work great for me along with extensive use of the cruise control.

I do use grip puppies also and would not do without them.


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http://www.ridersworkshop.com/Soft-Hands.pdf

Check out this article it talks about several reasons to have softhands.
Nice article, thanks for sharing.

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Another vote for the Grip Puppies and Cramp buster. I don't think I would ride 30 miles without them and not get a cramp.

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ehaughn,

A million years ago when I road a bicycle a lot, 200+ miles per week, I wore gloves with gel in the palms. It was a road bike so there was a lot of pressure on the bars because of the forward leaning position. Twenty years ago I had a R100S and found I had the same problem beacuse of the forward leaning position on the short bars. I tried wearing a pair of the gel palmed bicycle gloves under a larger pair of thin leather gloves and found it helped a little but not much. When I got the LT I was surprised to have the same issue with cramping because I really don't lean forward. I tried the grip puppies and they helped a lot. I have not tried gel gloves on the LT. I find I have to think about relaxing my grip. I still cramp but it takes three times as long now.

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Grip puppies and a pair of cramp busters resolved the problem of numb hands for me on long rides. I have to be very mindful of the cramp busters so that the sleeve of my jacket does not catch on the cramp buster, otherwise I'd encounter 'unintended acceleration'. Good luck.

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LOL ya ya hey I'm saving the map for a later date Spring time is coming!!

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Ok, I am convinced.

Going to order the Grip Puppies.

Question is, which one did you order?

GPGL or GPSMALL?

http://www.casporttouring.com/store/...y_Code=GRIPPUP

Did you order the one for the Gold Wing, then cut the 1/2 excess off?

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My recollection is that you need to measure the diameter of your grips, and order accordingly. You will love them!

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I used this on my R1100RT to get rid of the cramp problem. It looks like heck but it sure fixed it. Using a 1/2 wide by 3 inch rubber band, the throttle would just stay wherever I put it or slowly drift closed. It may be thought to be a a "suicide throttle", but I've let others drive my bike and no one has even noticed it.
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Ok, I am convinced.

Going to order the Grip Puppies.

Question is, which one did you order?

GPGL or GPSMALL?

http://www.casporttouring.com/store/...y_Code=GRIPPUP

Did you order the one for the Gold Wing, then cut the 1/2 excess off?

Thanks again
I've got an '02 with stock grips. I ordered the large, & they are a little bit loose. When I order again it will be the small.

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Kudos and thumbs up for Grip Puppies and Cramp Buster (Although being old school, I have a Throttle Rocker). I've ridden with the Throttle Rocker for ten years and have never had a problem with accidental accelerations while riding. I've had the Puppies for more than two years and love 'em. No issues with the heated grips working.

To ehaughn: In all seriousness, you state that your hand cramps and turns numb. Is it the whole hand that goes numb, or just the fingers? Repetitive trauma or vibration is a possible cause for Raynaud's disease when hands and fingers go numb and in some cases turn white and feel waxy to the touch. Although the most common cause for this is cold temperatures, there are other causes as well; such as trauma and continuous exposure to vibrations. Having a death grip on your throttle is only going to intensify the vibrations. If you find that Grip Puppies and a cramp buster aren't solving the problem you might want to consider padded riding or work gloves (Full fingered) used by mountain bikers and mechanics. If nothing seems to help, it might be worth a visit to your local doctor or have someone check your seating and reach on the bike to consider a way to alleviate pressure you may inadvertently be putting on your hands.

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I've got an '02 with stock grips. I ordered the large, & they are a little bit loose. When I order again it will be the small.
Yes, the small work well with the stock grips.

I have a throttle rocker and GP on my LT and end up using the cruise only on loooong lonely stretches of highway. The throttle rocker (which I've used on all my bikes) really solves the death-grip/hand-cramping problem. Moreso than the GP alone.

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Before I installed the grip puppies my hands would tend to cramp up, especially in heavy Los Angeles traffic.
After installing the grip puppies I found them to be too thick and my hands still cramped up... for a while. I guess it took me a few weeks to adapt to the larger diameter of the grips, and now I really like them. BTW, the correct size is Small.
I also make use of the cruise control whenever I need to shake my right hand or just to turn on/off the heated seat, and on long trips so I can rest my right hand on my knee for a while.
A few years back I bought the cramp buster but never installed it. Still somewhere in my garage, if someone wants it, it's yours for shipping. I just don't like "stuff" on the controls of the bike. JM2CW.

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Tracus,

My fingers get tingly (to best describe it) and my wrist and palm get numb also.

I usually then turn on cruise control and shake my hand. This only occurs with my right hand.

I have had this problem on many of my bikes and scooters.

On my 1994 Honda Helix, I installed bubble grips and did not have any cramping issues. I rode a 1996 Honda Helix with stock grips, and experienced cramping.

My right wrist is usually a little bent and not straight.

I really hope the grip puppies work.


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Kudos and thumbs up for Grip Puppies and Cramp Buster (Although being old school, I have a Throttle Rocker). I've ridden with the Throttle Rocker for ten years and have never had a problem with accidental accelerations while riding. I've had the Puppies for more than two years and love 'em. No issues with the heated grips working.

To ehaughn: In all seriousness, you state that your hand cramps and turns numb. Is it the whole hand that goes numb, or just the fingers? Repetitive trauma or vibration is a possible cause for Raynaud's disease when hands and fingers go numb and in some cases turn white and feel waxy to the touch. Although the most common cause for this is cold temperatures, there are other causes as well; such as trauma and continuous exposure to vibrations. Having a death grip on your throttle is only going to intensify the vibrations. If you find that Grip Puppies and a cramp buster aren't solving the problem you might want to consider padded riding or work gloves (Full fingered) used by mountain bikers and mechanics. If nothing seems to help, it might be worth a visit to your local doctor or have someone check your seating and reach on the bike to consider a way to alleviate pressure you may inadvertently be putting on your hands.

Good luck.
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post #31 of 33 Old Mar 15th, 2010, 9:52 pm
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Re: Hand cramping assistance

I am a lifelong rider of bikes and motorcycles. I started experiencing episodic numbness in the right hand (first three fingers, some palm) about 10 years ago. This happened first on my mountain bike, and particularly when gripping the bars or pressing into the heel of my palm. I too found that I could usually eliminate the symptoms by shaking out my hand.

Numbness and tingling has to do with nerve compression, which can happen either in the carpal tunnel, or at any point including at the shoulder or in the neck. Engaging the handlebars causes the position of the hands to be: wrists elevated, slightly everted (cocked "outwards"). Twisting the throttle also puts the right hand into "extension" (this may be why we riders experience symtoms more on the right hand)- while also having to maintain enough tension in the muscles to counteract the throttle return and moving through a limited range. This puts the nerve bundle (median nerve) under pressure as it goes through the carpal tunnel. Muscle tension and rigidity creates muscle fatigue and hence cramping. Movement is the key to short term relief ("flapping your wrists and elbows" as Jim Ford would say!).

As a lifelong tennis player I have "overdeveloped" muscles on the inside of my forearm: the so called "common flexor tendon" and associated flexor muscles. When I became a bodyworker, I learned about another troublesome muscle called "pronator teres" which can compress the median nerve, thus mimicing "carpal tunnel syndrome." Turns out that pronator teres is attached to the common flexor tendon...which means that an overdeveloped common flexor tendon can also mimic carpal tunnel syndrome. (Wrenching can definitely cause this problem!)

So, in my case, manual therapy to relax tight muscles and stretch the connective tissue (eg the common flexor tendon) has helped my arm, and the knowledge has lowered my anxiety level about the numbness. I ride with grip puppies and a throttle rocker, yet I still get numbness...I find myself putting my hands on different parts of the handlebars (just to keep them moving, as mentioned above) while cruising. If you live in eastern USA, make sure you get enough magnesium, it balances calcium to keep muscles supple. There is less magnesium in the east generally due to geologic factors.

The grip puppies, cruise control and throttle rocker definitely help. I tried riding with a wrist brace (drugstore variety) with poor results. On my old Goldwing I used something called a "throttle lock" which is easy to install and use (flick of the thumb up or down). Kind of like old fashioned cruise control, I found myself using it all the time on the Goldwing. Have though about adding it to Dragonfly, but don't quite need it yet!

Also, if you are having symptoms of numbness/tingling in the pinkie and 4th finger, that is different. That nerve runs from the "funny bone" to the hand along the backside of your forearm. If you have numbness of the whole hand you may have a nerve compression even higher up (at the elbow, shoulder, or neck). These nerve compressions are common, and can be caused by chronic muscle tension, repetitive motion or injury. Manual therapy can loosen the restricted areas, allowing the structure to revert back to an optimal configuration thereby taking pressure off of the nerve.

Raynaud's Syndrome causes cold hands and feet, and is a circulatory problem. I do not know if it could cause whole hand numbness.

That still does not address the other issue, true "carpal tunnel syndrome". You need a doctor for that. Find a nuerologist who is reputable, and don't go "under the knife" unless you absolutely have to...there are chiropractors who will manipulate and "re-set" your wrist bones. Keep trying and you will find something that works for you.

Good luck!

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Re: Hand cramping assistance

Twist it ..... don't squeeze it...... you can do that later

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Re: Hand cramping assistance

I too have had a real problem with hand cramping. I've tried the grip puppies, relaxed grip, cruise control, and lastly installing a throttle rocker, but noting worked as well for me as purchasing a set of gel palmed riding gloves. These gloves are real popular with mountain bikers. Here's the link. Good luck!

http://www.qwinerveprotector.com/Mot...eGloveBuy.html

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