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I know it's pricey, what exactly gets done.........?

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Re: 12,000 Mile Service

Everything on the list below:

(12,000 miles)
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Annual Service
Read out the fault memory with the BMW MoDiTeC unit
Check throttle cable play, adjust if necessary
Change engine oil while at operating temperature
If the motorcycle is ridden only for short distances or at outside temperatures below 0C (32 F), this work must be
done every 3 months or at least every 3,000 km (1,800 miles) *)
Change oil in gearbox while at operating temperature
at least every 2 years *) every
2 years
Change oil in rear wheel drive while at operating temperature
at least every 2 years *) every
2 years
Examine brake pads and discs for wear, replace if necessary *)
Check the front/rear brake fluid level
Check operation of brake system and freedom from leaks; repair/replace items if necessary *)
Replace the brake fluid at least once a year
Check clutch operating fluid level
Change clutch fluid
every 40,000 km (24,000 miles) or at least every 2 years *) 40,000
every
2 years
Replace fuel filter *)
generally every 40,000 km (24,000 miles), if the fuel is of poor quality, every 20,000 km (12,000 miles)
40,000
Check and top up, where necessary, coolant level and concentration
Replace the coolant at least every 2 years*) every
2 years
Check battery acid level, if necessary add distilled water
Clean/grease battery terminals if necessary
Replace intake air cleaner element
If severe dirt and dust are encountered, replace the intake air cleaner every 10,000 km (6,000 miles) or even more
frequently *)
Check function of side stand contact switch
Grease side stand bearing, check that the centre stand moves freely, and grease it if
necessary *)
Check the steering damper
Check tightness of rear wheel studs
Check rear wheel bearing play by rocking wheel
Check swinging arm bearings (free of play), adjust if necessary *)
Clean the inductive sensor on the rear wheel
every 40,000 km (24,000 miles) or at least every 2 years *) 40,000
every
2 years
Check valve clearances, adjust if necessary
Replace the lining of the chain tensioning rail and chain guide rail every 60,000 km
(36,000 miles)*) 60,000
Replace spark plugs

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Re: 12,000 Mile Service

Thanks!!

Wow, a lot of checking, but a lot of work too!!

Has anyone done work at BMW of Hollywood (California), or Ventura County BMW? If so, which would you prefer?

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Thanks!!

Wow, a lot of checking, but a lot of work too!!

Has anyone done work at BMW of Hollywood (California), or Ventura County BMW? If so, which would you prefer?

okay, I'll be the first to say it. Learn to do it yourself and save a bunch of $ and spend quality time with your bike. The first time I did mine it took me six hours. The second time it took me the same amount of time, but I was explaining every step to my 15 year old daughter.

If you can't do it yourself, find or host a tech session in your area.

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After the initial shell shock of the service fees, I emailed my Christmas list to the North Pole real early! Low and behold, Santa dropped down the chimney and put a Clymer Maintenance, Troubleshooting, and Repair manual under the tree for me this year! Defaoite's list below is Table 1 of Chapter 3 on page 76!

At first, its overwhelming if you are timid about your first tupperware party and peering into the hidden metal underneath, but I'm convinced it'll pay itself off after the first oil change! Of course, it doesn't include the list of excuses ya gotta tell the frau why you have to buy all the new tools! If anyone has a list of recommended tools and order of priority in which to give excuses to buy them, please share!

Living-Free is right about the time, but then again, you don't want to rush the process and have an extra hex bolt lying around!

You can find the book on Amazon between $40-50.

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Thanks!!

Wow, a lot of checking, but a lot of work too!!

Has anyone done work at BMW of Hollywood (California), or Ventura County BMW? If so, which would you prefer?
A dealer in Ventura quoted me $1700.00 for a 12K and one rear tire. That included a coolant change. I am not familiar with the Hollywood store. I did it myself for $250.00. I just did my brakes for $27.00. This is a bike you want to do your own service on if possible or be prepared to pay. The guys here are a great help.
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Yeah, I called the Ventura County dealer today and they wanted $970, just for the 12k service. I was floored! I thought HD dealers were expensive!!

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Bought a 2002 LT in 2003 - dealer did the 600 mile check up and then they closed up shop. 50,000 miles on the bike and with this site, its prolific members,
the awesome information and a desire on my part to save money and do it myself no dealer has ever seen my bike.
There are many others here who have similar experiences.

I believe my bike has less problems than most who go to dealers - just my experience.

So read, post and ask . . . its what makes this particular community sort of special.

On the other hand if you have sufficient wealth, better things to do with your time and do not desire to get into the zen of this maintaining this machine then
its off to the dealer, relationship and trust building and of course trouble free riding?

You may in fact substitute the relationships you build there in lieu of the ones you build here . . .

Your choice - good luck!!

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With limited ability (me) and this amazing site, you can do a lot of the service yourself.. Key is to start slowly, make sure that you understand all of the steps required and have the correct tools. There is a lot of personal help too, if you just ask.

Taking off the plastic is a good first step and the hardest part, for me is removing the mirrors. Changing the three main fluids is not hard at all and just takes a little time, kitty litter, old newspapers and simple instructions. A local tech party is a great place to learn.

For the tasks that you are unsure of or wish the shop to do, removing all of the plastic for them ahead of time does two things; Gets you under her skirt and familiar with the hidden parts and saves the shop time busy work. My local shop is quite agreeable to this and it cuts about 1-2 hours off of the service ticket.

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Yeah, I called the Ventura County dealer today and they wanted $970, just for the 12k service. I was floored! I thought HD dealers were expensive!!
Get this kit for $153.00 and filter wrench $20.00. You will also need a 18MM allen wrench for the trans plug (Pep boys). The kit has everything you need for the 12K including synthetic oil for all 3 holes. BTW, I changed my air filter but the old one looked brand new. If you want to leave the air and fuel filter for another time, the service is quite easy as you don't have to remove so much plastic.

http://beemerboneyard.com/k1200ltsupmaintkits.html

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No matter what your decision is, doing it yourself or taking it to the dealer, I would strongly advise staying away from the Hollywood dealership based on an extremely negative and costly experience.
On a semi-regular basis I hold a tech session at my house (I have a lift), so feel free to join in.

Is this the very first 12k service on your bike?

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Get this kit for $153.00 and filter wrench $20.00. You will also need a 18MM allen wrench for the trans plug (Pep boys). The kit has everything you need for the 12K including synthetic oil for all 3 holes. BTW, I changed my air filter but the old one looked brand new. If you want to leave the air and fuel filter for another time, the service is quite easy as you don't have to remove so much plastic.

http://beemerboneyard.com/k1200ltsupmaintkits.html

http://beemerboneyard.com/kr1200ofwr.html
Tony, I believe the allen wrench is a 14 mm...

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Yep 14mm and can be quite hard to come by.

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Tony, I believe the allen wrench is a 14 mm...

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Tony, I believe the allen wrench is a 14 mm...
You are correct, 14MM. It was 18MM socket on the plugs I believe. At first I couldn't find a 14MM Allen, now I have 2 different types. Don't rule out your local mom & pop hardware store.
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Here in Fort Walton Beach Fl,there is a owner of a motorcycle shop(not a bmw dealer) that was a bmw mechanic for fourteen years for a bmw dealer,but decided to open his own shop,he said he would do the complete 12,000 mile sevice for $550.00. I am sure thinking about letting him,because BMW of Alanta is where I purchased the bike new and would have travel expense on top of the service if done in Atlanta.Any thoughts on other than a dealer doing the services?
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+1 for Dan, Dano & Gilles. You could do worse than getting your hands, elbows and forehead dirty completing your own maintainance on the beast. I was in the same boat, but after a little more than 2 years of owning Barbara, she has been through every maintainance items with the exception of changing the valve buckets. This is to include replacing the clutch and gearbox, MY SELF!
This site, the generous members therein will direct you and guide you through any problems. Save money, get to know the bike and have the piece of mind that it was done right... Besides, you have Gilles offering up a tech session....Go learn, and drink up the intellect of like minded individuals. You will not find a better group of guys and girls anywhere...

oh, HF will have the 14MM cheap!~

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If you can't 'find' a 14mm wrench at your local stores, go to an "industrial bearing" supply house. They will have it for less than $5 usually.

Take it home, saw it into 2 inch chunks and share with your friends.
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I got 73 hits from "www.anywho.com" when I searched on "bearings" in the L.A. area.
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No matter what your decision is, doing it yourself or taking it to the dealer, I would strongly advise staying away from the Hollywood dealership based on an extremely negative and costly experience.
On a semi-regular basis I hold a tech session at my house (I have a lift), so feel free to join in.

Is this the very first 12k service on your bike?
Yes, this is my first 12k service. I bought the bike used in July with 9,500 miles.

Time is an issue for me, working six days a week, most weeks, I dont mind paying a reasonable amount, but neither BMW dealer offered a reasonable amount. From what I hear the Ventura county dealer is more reliable, but also more expensive. The funny thing is that I am in the car business, working for a BMW car franchise, so I know how BMW can overcharge, but both of these guys are ridiculous. I have the ability to do it, but not the time or desire. There is a local shop that I trust and works on mostly HDs, I took them my old Ultra, and I called them today. I totally trust them, and yes they have worked on BMW bikes. They said they would do it for $350, so for that kind of scratch it really isnt worth it for me to do the work. I would rather spend my free time riding this fantastic machine.

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If you have the scratch, please, have your bike serviced at the dealer every 3000 miles.....

don't forget to have them "flush and reset" the ABS system... true... it MUST be done at LEAST every year....

And, do business where you plan to buy your next bike... it makes things a lot more fun.


Oh, meet the mechanic, "tip" him/her well.... remember the name and schedule your bike around their availability...

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Here in Fort Walton Beach Fl,there is a owner of a motorcycle shop(not a bmw dealer) that was a bmw mechanic for fourteen years for a bmw dealer,but decided to open his own shop,he said he would do the complete 12,000 mile sevice for $550.00. I am sure thinking about letting him,because BMW of Alanta is where I purchased the bike new and would have travel expense on top of the service if done in Atlanta.Any thoughts on other than a dealer doing the services?
Where is this Shop? I'm in FWB and would like to know who has experience for future needs.
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There is a local shop that I trust and works on mostly HDs, I took them my old Ultra, and I called them today. I totally trust them, and yes they have worked on BMW bikes. They said they would do it for $350
The shop said they work on BMWs, but are they experienced with the LT? Your bike is a different beast because much of the Tupperware has to come off for any maintenance, hence the high cost of labor. The last thing you want is to find out later that some screws are missing or cross-threaded, or that you have a fuel leak.
I understand that your (riding) time is valuable, yet I still suggest that you learn to work on your bike (with friends guiding and advising) as it is the best way to truly understand and appreciate the LT.
If you can wait until the weekend of Jan 16-17 you are invited to have your maintenance at my place. Just get the fluids and oil filter you'll be on your way to be intimate with your LT.
At 12k miles there is not much to do... yet.

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The shop said they work on BMWs, but are they experienced with the LT? Your bike is a different beast because much of the Tupperware has to come off for any maintenance, hence the high cost of labor. The last thing you want is to find out later that some screws are missing or cross-threaded, or that you have a fuel leak.
I understand that your (riding) time is valuable, yet I still suggest that you learn to work on your bike (with friends guiding and advising) as it is the best way to truly understand and appreciate the LT.
If you can wait until the weekend of Jan 16-17 you are invited to have your maintenance at my place. Just get the fluids and oil filter you'll be on your way to be intimate with your LT.
At 12k miles there is not much to do... yet.
yeah.. and "riding" aint all there is to being a "motorcyclist"...
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Yep 14mm and can be quite hard to come by.
Here in the U.S. the easiest place I found the the 14mm socket was Advance Auto Parts. I had to buy a 3 pack of large allen sockets though, but it was still LESS than the price I managed to find at a few other places for just the 14mm alone.

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I 've done everything on the 12K list except the valve clearance check, how much trouble is that?


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I 've done everything on the 12K list except the valve clearance check, how much trouble is that?
It's easy, just follow this http://www.gunsmoke.com/motorcycling...ves/index.html . It's for the K1200RS but the process is the same for the K1200LT.

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Cadent50 - One of the inmates on this site, Paul Sayegh, sells a DVD that shows how to perform the basic service on a K1200LT. The DVD is well made and I found it exceptionally helpful in learning how to doe the routine service on my bike.

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Cadent50 - One of the inmates on this site, Paul Sayegh, sells a DVD that shows how to perform the basic service on a K1200LT. The DVD is well made and I found it exceptionally helpful in learning how to doe the routine service on my bike.

http://www.sayegh.org/bmw/service-video.htm
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I bought all four for the LT, and they paid for themselves in the first 12K service, and then some. I have since purchased the Clymer, which is also recommended.

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