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@#!%ing gear shifter broke!

I was taking the bike (2000LT) out for a ride today, and got to my next door neighbor's house, put it in neutral and on the side stand to talk to my neighbor. When I went to shift back into first, the bolt that holds the shifter to the gear box (or whatever the hell it is) broke in half, rendering the shifter completely useless. Luckily, the bike was in neutral, so with my neighbors' help, I was able to get it back to my house and up the driveway and into my garage.

Now I have to order a new bolt assembly (the piece that has the screw with bolts on either end in swivel ball joints). Also going to have to figure out a way to get the other half of the bolt out of the piece inside the bike. May have to drill it out.

Anyway, big drag. Just wanted to vent.

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I'll bet you carry a spare part in your tool bag from now on.

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Don't buy the BMW replacement. Do a search for shifter replacement and find the one that is sold by someone on this site. It's much better.

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I feel that the shifter linkage breaking is mostly due to the nut coming loose and when that happens you lose the rigidity of the shaft and allows the threaded part of the linkage to break because its flexing.
you can replace it with an aftermarket piece but you should still make sure the nut is securely locked and loctited into place and if you do that I think the BMW part will work as well as the aftermarket....

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E-Mail Phil John at [email protected] He has a beefed up replacement that it a great upgrade.

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E-Mail Phil John at [email protected] He has a beefed up replacement that it a great upgrade.
+1 on Phil's replacement. I bought one for my 99 after the stock unit broke a block away from home (got lucky on that one) and another for my 03 LT that I replaced preemptively (I still have the original as a spare for anyone with a 99-04 LT.
I bought another linkage from Phil for my 05 but the stock is now beefier and I haven't had the need to replace yet.
BTW the kit sold by Phil includes a drill bit and an extractor bit to remove the broken piece

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Re: @#!%ing gear shifter broke!

Thanks for the info everyone. I'll definitely be contacting Phil.

In the meantime, I'm glad I haven't gotten rid of my Suzuki V-Strom, cause at least I've still got a bike to ride while I get the LT fixed.

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From the Powergrinder site:

"Powergrid is proud to announce a durable solution to the common problem of shifter linkage failure associated with these premium bikes.

This system uses the precision THK ball links. They are pre-greased and have a water-tight seal. The large ball allows smooth operation. They never need servicing. Install them and forget about them. The left-hand and right-hand threaded rod allows an easy final adjustment for pedal position on the long linkage."

My concern, and I generally feel this way when trying to "MODIFY" something the BMW engineers have designed ( I know , the Kool-Aid taste sweet!) is that they had a reason for building it the way that they did, especially after the model has been out for several years. I am told that this so called weak link protects more expensive parts connecting to the transmission and if you beef up the link, those other parts could break in a fall and are not as easy or cheep to repair and or replace.

I carry spare parts for the gear shifter assembly, for an emergency, keep my stock parts greased up and trust the German engineering.

Still don't understand why though the control for the heated seat is on the throttle side of the seat !!!!!!!!!! Must be a good reason somewhere.

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From the Powergrinder site:

"Powergrid is proud to announce a durable solution to the common problem of shifter linkage failure associated with these premium bikes.

This system uses the precision THK ball links. They are pre-greased and have a water-tight seal. The large ball allows smooth operation. They never need servicing. Install them and forget about them. The left-hand and right-hand threaded rod allows an easy final adjustment for pedal position on the long linkage."

My concern, and I generally feel this way when trying to "MODIFY" something the BMW engineers have designed ( I know , the Kool-Aid taste sweet!) is that they had a reason for building it the way that they did, especially after the model has been out for several years. I am told that this so called weak link protects more expensive parts connecting to the transmission and if you beef up the link, those other parts could break in a fall and are not as easy or cheep to repair and or replace.

I carry spare parts for the gear shifter assembly, for an emergency, keep my stock parts greased up and trust the German engineering.

Still don't understand why though the control for the heated seat is on the throttle side of the seat !!!!!!!!!! Must be a good reason somewhere.
You mention a legimate concern. I have not yet had my shift linkage apart to look at it in detail, but I believe someone mentioned a while back that there are actually a couple of linkages in the chain from shifter to gearbox. If this is the case, then the single linkage that is described above may not remove entirely the system "fuse."

Also, not all engineering decisions are driven by the engineers. Many are driven by economics from the MBAs. DAMHIK.

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Still don't understand why though the control for the heated seat is on the throttle side of the seat !!!!!!!!!! Must be a good reason somewhere.

Thats cause they sell the bikes over here in the UK, all ours are right hand drive!!!!

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I feel that the shifter linkage breaking is mostly due to the nut coming loose and when that happens you lose the rigidity of the shaft and allows the threaded part of the linkage to break because its flexing.
you can replace it with an aftermarket piece but you should still make sure the nut is securely locked and loctited into place and if you do that I think the BMW part will work as well as the aftermarket....
Agreed. Two things happen. The ball joint lube dries out and the motion created by shifting tends to cause the threaded portion to loosen up since the dry joint resists motion. Fortunately mine simply unscrewed and fell out without breaking. With regular cleaning and lubing the joint along with loctite there hasn't been any more problems. I still carry spare parts though.
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Now that's funny!
OK.... now I get it! but if I ever get a new seat, the heat control is going on the left side....

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Is it really necessary to replace the entire shifting assembly? AFAIK, the part that breaks most often is the ball pin (p/n 51247010221). That's also what broke on mine. I mention that because the Powergrid shifting assembly replacement is $98 on their eBay store, which is pricey and potentially not needed. How much are Phil's aftermarket ball pins?

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I keep a copy of this diagram with my bikes tool kit, along with the necessary parts to make a road repair. Handy insurance I haven't had to use, but nice if I need it.

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Is it really necessary to replace the entire shifting assembly? AFAIK, the part that breaks most often is the ball pin (p/n 51247010221). That's also what broke on mine. I mention that because the Powergrid shifting assembly replacement is $98 on their eBay store, which is pricey and potentially not needed. How much are Phil's aftermarket ball pins?

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I don't think it is necessary to replace the entire assembly. A few years ago I replaced the OEM ball ends with parts from Midwest Controls. The parts I purchased were ESM-6 and I spent about $20 and still have left overs. The only problem I have had since was one of the studs backed out. I put some locktite on it and reinstalled the same part.

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Is it really necessary to replace the entire shifting assembly? AFAIK, the part that breaks most often is the ball pin (p/n 51247010221). That's also what broke on mine. I mention that because the Powergrid shifting assembly replacement is $98 on their eBay store, which is pricey and potentially not needed. How much are Phil's aftermarket ball pins?

Here's a part fiche for reference:

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If the shaft is in good shape it can be reused but several riders have seen the original break. If everything is clean, lubed and loctited it most likely won't be an issue but a slightly stronger shaft isn't a bad idea. Metal fatigue does happen. At least carry a spare.
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Thanks for the info everyone. I'll definitely be contacting Phil.
Hi Tim -

Keep in mind that the BMW shifter is designed to break in case of a tipover - to prevent further damage to the gearbox, etc, if the shifter happens to take a direct hit.

Also keep in mind that the BMW shifter is a little more delicate than other brands. You really can't "stomp" on them like you can others. If you are having trouble getting it into first, try double-clutching and/or rocking the bike slightly forwards/backwards and she'll drop right in.

If properly lubed, you'll only need very light foot pressure to shift.

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Not having had a failure ( gone and done it now)

which is the piece most commonly found to fail. I don't currently carry a spare, but thinking I should do.
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Not having had a failure ( gone and done it now)

which is the piece most commonly found to fail. I don't currently carry a spare, but thinking I should do.
Part 3 usually breaks. The pivot stud sometimes gets loose and then it snaps off at the threads.

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Part 3 usually breaks. The pivot stud sometimes gets loose and then it snaps off at the threads.
Part 3 is repeated in 3 locations. Is one of them more prone to failure than the others? I think most reports are that it's the one attached to the foot lever....which makes sense.

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Part 3 is repeated in 3 locations. Is one of them more prone to failure than the others? I think most reports are that it's the one attached to the foot lever....which makes sense.
Sorry- yes it is the one attached to the foot lever.

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Part 3 usually breaks. The pivot stud sometimes gets loose and then it snaps off at the threads.
Thanks, think I'll take mine apart and get some grease in there and learn how it all hangs together. Good idea fom one of the other posters to keep a copy of the diagram to hand. Might print this out and laminate it and keep in in the top box.

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I'm going to help Tim repair the shifter. His broke where part #3 goes into #10.

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I'm going to help Tim repair the shifter. His broke where part #3 goes into #10.
When I took mine apart last week, this was the same piece that had some play in it. I unscrewed it, put some lock tight on it, and tightened it up.

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I'm going to help Tim repair the shifter. His broke where part #3 goes into #10.
Yup, that's the one! Of course it couldn't be the one attached to the foot lever... That would be too easy to remove once broken.

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Part 3 is repeated in 3 locations. Is one of them more prone to failure than the others? I think most reports are that it's the one attached to the foot lever....which makes sense.
To answer our question - Yes, the one that is loose. They all have an equal chance of working loose and when that happens they snap. I open that area up every 12K and check for lube and tightness on each of the ball studs. Often I find one loose, including the one on the tranny input. I have an 05 so the one on the foot lever has been changed to a larger thread size, so all my loose one's have been on the #10 bell crank and the tranny lever.

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Thats cause they sell the bikes over here in the UK, all ours are right hand drive!!!!

It's because the cruise control is on the left side.

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