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k1200 LT v r1200RT

K1200LT 137MPH
R1200RT 133MPH
WHOSE STILL THE BEST ?
better value for the money
better bike
I could go on.

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Where did those numbers come from? An LT doing 137, I don't think so. I'm not sure what the top end is on the RT. I did ride an RT on the autobahn in August, hit 120mph (indicated) before having to slow down for traffic. Of course the RT was only in 4th gear, cases loaded and 2 up. LOL Both are fine bikes, I'm just having problems thinking the LT will out run an RT.

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my LT will do 137 ... if i ride it off a cliff.
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Two entirely different bikes . . . world's apart!!! I was very excited about taking the new R1200RT for a test ride. Thirty miles later, I got off of it and really don't care to ever swing my leg over another one. Then again...maybe I'm just a 4-cylinder kinda guy.
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When the K1200LT came out BMW only claimed 125. MCN only listed it at 115. The newer ones with more power may have a higher top end. I have only had mine to 100 on the speedo once so I don't know what mine would do.

To each their own but for me the with the price on the RT about the same as the LT-at least equiped about the same-I would have to go with the LT.
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my LT will do 137 ... if i ride it off a cliff.

I've done 140. Could've gone more but ran up to traffic. Not something I make a habit of mind you. Did it the one time just to see what she would do.

Hey Joe, how fast did you....er, I mean YOUR FRIEND...get to blowing away chopper boy?

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The pre-'05 LT's can do 124 MAX (OK...give or take 1-2 mph). Of course, I'm talking GPS measured speed here.

The '05s are probably capable of the 130-132 range...given the extra 15 ponies and a leetle more torque.
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I've had my LT at 200 Km/h on the ( unmodified ) speedometer.
It was surprisingly comfortable at that speed.
There is no comparison with the RT - may be a little faster but there is far more vibration and does not feel nearly as secure.
The LT at any speed is smoother and feels far more stable.
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K1200lt V R1200rt

Went over to belgium a month ago with two freinds on 1150RT, s .
On the motorway both stuck up my behind , so i thought right lets see what the beast will do as both of my freinds have always said there bikes are quicker .
gradually winding it up to 100mph they are right behind.
110mph they are trying to get in my slipstream.
120 mph starting to gather distance away from them.
130 mph are they going backwards.
140 mph all i can see is two headlights way way in the distance , i,m thinking have they broke down. The LT if you have got big balls to hold it flat out will do 140 mph and will be a lot more stable than a lighted R1200RT .
By the way i am two up with the bike filly loaded.
The others are one up with and loaded.
when we stopped at the motorway services my one freind on a limited edition 1150RT said his bike was a piece of shit and he was going to sell it , but now he,s gonna put a Remus pipe on and chip it . he still aint gonna catch me .
what do you think folks?
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I've had my '03 LT with my wife aboard up to 120 MPH according to the stock speedo. There was some throttle left, but I decided against risking a ticket any further.

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When the K1200LT came out BMW only claimed 125. MCN only listed it at 115.
My '04 has seen the other side of a GPS indicated 120 mph. It still had more, but it was definitely going to climb VERY slooooooowwwwwly. I'd go with the BMW claimed 125 as the max on the pre '05.







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When the K1200LT came out BMW only claimed 125. MCN only listed it at 115.
The old ones would run to 127 on the GPS, the new ones run to more. My 05 has shown 133 on the GPS and seemed to have more to go.

I don't think it would run to 140. Might make 137 - don't know.
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Talking LT wide open

Ditto on that ... checked it with the 276C ... flat, open road. No wind to affect performance-- side, back or front.

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The pre-'05 LT's can do 124 MAX (OK...give or take 1-2 mph). Of course, I'm talking GPS measured speed here.

The '05s are probably capable of the 130-132 range...given the extra 15 ponies and a leetle more torque.
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I own a 2002 K1200 LTE that is loaded. On July 1st, I bought a new R1200 RT (Color is red and also loaded with every option available)...Both bikes are wonderful! When I put around the city, I take the bags off my R1200, put the ESA on sport, and hit the curves! The R1200RT is a fun & sporty bike to ride. Everyone I talked to told me when I bought the R1200 RT that I would sell my LT. No way...When I travel, the LT is the bike. No question.....Don't get me wrong, I know guys that rode all the way to California on the R1200 RT, but for me, I would take my LT. For comfort on a long trip, the LT is the most comfort bike on the road! Just my '02 cents...

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Have had mine to 140 (speedo), the GPS said 126. I was solid and stable and felt like it might have a littl emore to go but made my point to the rider on the crotch rocket and backed it off. His top end was 120 (GPS).
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I have a 99 LT right now. I am at this time riding a R1200RT. It is a very nice motorcycle and would love to have owning one. It is fast, light, beautiful, and well designed.

Why I would not own one. I hate to give the confort of, no intercom, no cb, no winglets, and the comfort that goes for the passenger.

If I were single?????????????

Just kidding.
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Ride around 150 miles at a shot - each day, for a week - then see what a REAL pain in the behind it is.

Screen - right between the eyes, but then again, you may be used to that if you have "Euro" screen on your LT.

Easier to throw around? Not in my opinion. I find my LT much easier - much more sure footed. the RT was skittish, didn't ride well. Maybe having this electronic suspension control sorts all that.

but - the pitching up and down of the nose on acceleration/braking, so cars think you're flashing the headlight at them all the time - right pain.

Get a hi-power LT, or drop a Rhinewest into your 99. Its not far off the RT then
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Thumbs down R1200RT disapointment...

I finally had a chance to take out a shiney, new RT! Boy oh boy, was I excited. 2 miles later was I unhappy! The windshield flops around, the engine vibrates, the exhaust note sounds metallic, the foot controls are too tight... Quick, I need some cheese to go with my whine!

The bike did nothing for me. Period. I prefer my R100/7 with its Windjammer, rich feel and sounds (Yes. I know it has NO brakes!)

I like the looks and the idea of the RT - Just not the reality of the bike.

When asked by the sales guy what I thought, I said. "I ride an LT and I do believe I'm spoiled by the best bike in the world." He looked at me and smiled. Nodding his head 'Yes' he said, "I understand completely."

I love my LT!

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I owned an 1150 RT. I can not speak for the 1200.....but the RT speedo is off by 10%!

If the speedo says:
120 you are only going 108.
130 you are only going 117


And you thought the LT speedo is inaccurate. This was confirmed many times with a Garmin 276C.

The 1150 RT useful top end is about 120 (actual). If you are going downhill with a backwind and have 50 miles of straight road with no cops, maybe more.

The RT is much better in tight twisties due to weight. The LT is Faster than the old RT's probably not the new one.

Anyone care to do a 2 week 10,000 mile trip, 2 up on an RT?

It would be divorce for me. Depends where you live, but many states like mine the wife gets 50%. That makes the RT a very expensive bike.
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"WHAT IF"

The rear drive went out at 90mph+ indicated with two up and gear?

I can think of other bikes I would rather test out at above 90 than an LT.....

IMHO
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The rear drive went out at 90mph+ indicated with two up and gear?

I can think of other bikes I would rather test out at above 90 than an LT.....

IMHO
I don't really understand your 'Term' Test out? Many (most?) LT riders I know cruise at 90... for hours on end.

That's one of the great features of an LT. Long distance, mile gobbling, smooth, comfortable travel.

In the whole wide world of 'cycles', I can think of a lot of bikes and issues that give me more concern than the LT's FD. Of all the causes of accidents I have ever heard of, cages, rain, oil slicks, blown tires, overt speed, sleep depreviation, stupidity, etc. the LT FD has NOT contributed to one that has been reported.

That's not a humble opinion. Just ride it!

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Well if numbnutz numbers are correct, it is obvious that my r12rt will not show up at the same time but, unlike some Harley riding friends I have.....I WILL show up...hehe
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I own a 2002 K1200 LTE that is loaded. On July 1st, I bought a new R1200 RT (Color is red and also loaded with every option available)...Both bikes are wonderful! When I put around the city, I take the bags off my R1200, put the ESA on sport, and hit the curves! The R1200RT is a fun & sporty bike to ride. Everyone I talked to told me when I bought the R1200 RT that I would sell my LT. No way...When I travel, the LT is the bike.
I just traded my '03 LT in for an RT. I never ride 2-up, but loved the LT on the highway. I don't want' to hear from you "yeah, but I can ride mine like a sport bike" guys, but my new RT is more fun for me in the twisties. I am happy to shed the extra 250 lbs or so. I still agree that the LT is the best tourer ever made. Soooo smooth and comfortable. But, the RT is just as comfortable for me and gets just as good gas mileage. I like the sportier design and performance, but I understand that's just me. My LT had issues. The RT no doubt will have them as well, but after I bought my '05 GS I was sold on that engine and tranny. I haven't travelled farther than 400 miles in a day on the RT yet, so I'll have to wait for the final verdict. I was ready to get off for the day on the LT after 600 miles, but a 400 mile day on the RT didn't bother me at all.

So far, I'm happy with my trade. I consider it a lateral move, not up or down.

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No lie--I've got the JPEG of my Garmin to prove it.

I had my previous '99 K1200LT (not Lorelei) up to 149.6 miles per hour southbound on the Sawgrass Expressway (the Autobahn of Florida) here in Broward County. It was a lazy morning, and I should've been at work. Instead, I was doing irresponsible things with my motorcycle on a public motorway.

My trusty LT felt like it wanted to come apart at that speed. But, like some of the other posters said, I just wanted to see what it could do.


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I had my previous '99 K1200LT (not Lorelei) up to 149.6 miles per hour southbound on the Sawgrass Expressway (the Autobahn of Florida) here in Broward County. It was a lazy morning,
I know that you said that it was a lazy morning, and that since you were in Florida you weren't going down any big hill, but are you sure that you din't have one of those Named Tropical Impressions that Florida is infamous for blow'n up your butt at the time

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I know that you said that it was a lazy morning, and that since you were in Florida you weren't going down any big hill, but are you sure that you din't have one of those Named Tropical Impressions that Florida is infamous for blow'n up your butt at the time
Heh--don't know about the wind, but I distinctly remember it being well before hurricane season.

The reason this reply is so late is because Wilma totally kicked our ass. We still have no power, phone, or internet at home.


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Since this thread started out as an RT LT question...

I was looking at the new R1200RT yesterday at Ride West BMW here in Seattle. Being a previous owner of an 1150RT, I am well aware of the differences in the LT and RT, still the new RT is interesting to me with the extra HP and addition of cruise control. After reviewing the spec sheet I turned my back on the RT once and for all. It only has a 5.5 gallon gas tank. What are they thinking? The R1200St has 7.7 gallons. How do you compete in the touring bike league with a 5 gallon gas tank? And there is no way it will get the mileage my LT gets.

Still looks like a great step up from the old RT, but how do you drop the ball on that gas tank size??
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Earlier this year I decided that I was going to buy a new bike and the RT had just been launched. I booked test rides on that and the K1200GT at my local dealer.

I took the GT out and within about 5 minutes had decided that there was no way I could live with one. I then went back and took the RT out, thinking that if it was 15 years better than my 1990 R80RT it would be pretty good indeed.

I took it for a good long run and within about 20 minutes I hated it. It felt twitchy and top heavy. Worst of all it felt flimsy and nowhere near as well put together as my old 80RT. I was, to say the least, disappointed as I had really wanted one having read all the write-ups.

When I got back to the dealer I admitted to him that it just didn't feel right and he suggested that I took a K1200LT out. I rode the same route and by about halfway round I was playing with the toys and had decided that the LT was the most comfortable bike I had ever ridden.

I picked up my new '05 model LTSE in April and still love the thing. The wife and I went across France in the summer in total comfort and I don't have any regrets about buying it at all.

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Just last weekend I had miles of open road, no wind, just me and all I could get out of my 02 was 122 MPH from my Garmin 2610. Stayed at 122 for several miles. Can't begin to tell you how smooth the bike was. Even with stones front and rear with over 8K miles on each one.

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I was looking at the new R1200RT yesterday at Ride West BMW here in Seattle. Being a previous owner of an 1150RT, I am well aware of the differences in the LT and RT, still the new RT is interesting to me with the extra HP and addition of cruise control. After reviewing the spec sheet I turned my back on the RT once and for all. It only has a 5.5 gallon gas tank. What are they thinking? The R1200St has 7.7 gallons. How do you compete in the touring bike league with a 5 gallon gas tank? And there is no way it will get the mileage my LT gets.

Still looks like a great step up from the old RT, but how do you drop the ball on that gas tank size??

The fuel tank on the R1200RT is 7.1 Gallons not 5.5. I have no idea who put 5.5 on the spec sheet but it was incorrect.

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I was hoping that was wrong on the spec sheet. Just didn't make sense the ST would have a 7+ gallon tank and the RT a 5.5. You've restored my faith. Hmmm, maybe I'll try one of those RTs again some day.
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