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Howdy All:

I hope you are well.

I am on my weekend trip with my son out from Michigan to Maine and my LT seems to have died. I stopped at the local BMW dealer and have been told that the transmission is gone and about $5k to replace.

So we have rented a car and are heading home.

What do I do with the bike though? It has been a great bike, a 2000 custom with 95k. Do I ship it home and part it out? Do I ask the dealer if they would give me anything for it? Do I post an ad on forums to see if anyone in Maine is interested in it?

I would appreciate any thoughts. I am not really sure.

I guess I get to get a new LT when they come out.

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If it was me, I would put a used transmission in it and enjoy the next 95,000 plus miles.

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Greetings Tony.

This is a real easy one my friend.

Find yourself a good second hand transmission and fit it. Easy hey!

Come on...go for it. You know you want to.

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Yeppir, Tony - what David said. That bike wuz the star of the first of many CCR tech sessions, if I remember right, and a fitted transmission, in good shape, would be my suggestion also. Might take a little digging around to find one and get it fitted, but worth doing in my book. A rental trailer to fetch it home is your first priority. Depending on how fast everything goes, you still should have a nice remainder of the riding season up 'nawth'.

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Is it the transmission or the final drive, or the clutch? Transmission rarely fail on the LT, although I guess it can happen.
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If I was you, I would ship it to MY shop and then I would put you a used tranny in at no charge (you pay parts only). Now...how u gonna bea that offer?????

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If I was you, I would ship it to MY shop and then I would put you a used tranny in at no charge (you pay parts only). Now...how u gonna bea that offer?????

Man, what an offer! That should get you another 90K at a very good price.
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Take it to Pastor Jack, quick!!!!!!

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If I was you, I would ship it to MY shop and then I would put you a used tranny in at no charge (you pay parts only). Now...how u gonna bea that offer?????
As a pastor, you should know the saying, "No good deed goes unpunished."

I personally would part that thing out and put each and every little piece on eBay...
Then take my profits and buy another bike.

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I would take Pastor Jack up on his offer, but if you decide to part it out, I need an ABS unit!
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Is it the transmission or the final drive, or the clutch? Transmission rarely fail on the LT, although I guess it can happen.
Who is the dealer who gave you the diagnostic?
The dealer was Street Cycles in Fallmouth Maine. Maine's only BMW dealer.

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If I was you, I would ship it to MY shop and then I would put you a used tranny in at no charge (you pay parts only). Now...how u gonna bea that offer?????
WOW, I mean WOW.

I really do not know what to say Pastor Jack. I know this is an incredible community but I never expected an offer like that. I will send you a PM so we can talk further.

Again Wow and thank you so much for the kindness. This really is an incredible offer. and everyone seems to agree that it is a little early to let the bike go.

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Re: What to do with a Dead LT?

Get a bigger trailer then check out eBay Motors, Item number: 200369473498

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By the time you parted the rest of it, you'd be way ahead. Let alone getting a drivetrain with such low mileage.

If you're not the adventurous type surely pass on that dealership fix. $5k on a bike with your mileage....dunno.

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I'd replace the transmission if it was mine. I'd love to tear into one of those. I haven't rebuilt a manual trans since I was in the Navy and twisted the mainshaft off in the yoke on my 63 Ford Falcon Futura. And that bike on Ebay is well worth $1200! I'd jump on a deal like that if it was closer. The running gear on a low mileage LT has got to be worth at least $5,000.........

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Another happy ending! And another LT is saved from the scrap heap!

What an offer. I think he just misses his LT

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Howdy All:

I hope you are well.

I am on my weekend trip with my son out from Michigan to Maine and my LT seems to have died. I stopped at the local BMW dealer and have been told that the transmission is gone and about $5k to replace.

So we have rented a car and are heading home.

What do I do with the bike though? It has been a great bike, a 2000 custom with 95k. Do I ship it home and part it out? Do I ask the dealer if they would give me anything for it? Do I post an ad on forums to see if anyone in Maine is interested in it?

I would appreciate any thoughts. I am not really sure.

I guess I get to get a new LT when they come out.

Best regards, tony
Northville, MI

Tony, is the bike at Street Cycles? and, if Fred looked it over and let you know the trans was toast, take it to the bank. He is good people, and will go out of his way to help out a fellow biker.

If Katie wants $$ for storage, have her call me and I can load it on my trailer and garage it for you until you can come pick it up. I am less than 30 minutes away.

call my cell if you need any more information: 207-653-3349

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Pastor Jack,

Any way a fella could could get an anticipatory raincheck lined up so that if major troubles are realized down the road I could take mine to your shop?

An incredible gesture. Warms my heart.

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I have 96 VW TDI that I love. Other cars have come and gone, but I wont part with my VW. She is a lobor of love and I wouldn't have it any other way!
If you love your LT, then it's a no-brainer!
Fix it!
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Here is another transmission on eBay; Item 390070981624 w/70k miles on it, for $777.00 or make offer.

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Tony, is the bike at Street Cycles? and, if Fred looked it over and let you know the trans was toast, take it to the bank. He is good people, and will go out of his way to help out a fellow biker.

If Katie wants $$ for storage, have her call me and I can load it on my trailer and garage it for you until you can come pick it up. I am less than 30 minutes away.

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Howdy Mark:

Thanks for your offer. I may need to take you up on it. I am waiting to hear back from Pastor Jack and hope things will work out with getting the bike to him.

As soon as I hear from him I will let you know.

Thanks again.

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for just this reason I keep a spare transmission in my garage. If you need it Tony,,just say so. It will be cheaper than the $777 on ebay. I haven't looked it over since I got it about 6 months ago but it's supposed to be in good shape. I should be home later this week.
Rattler50,if you want to tear into it and check it out fot him, Wichita Falls isn't far from houston,I could drop it off there next week.

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for just this reason I keep a spare transmission in my garage. If you need it Tony,,just say so. It will be cheaper than the $777 on ebay. I haven't looked it over since I got it about 6 months ago but it's supposed to be in good shape. I should be home later this week.
Rattler50,if you want to tear into it and check it out fot him, Wichita Falls isn't far from houston,I could drop it off there next week.

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Jack's the man!!! I'm not sure if you thought about it, but it might be a good idea to throw a new clutch in it while it is split.

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Hey Tony (my wife in Sante Fe),

I'm still riding my original '99 and my tranny fragged at 82k. Touring Sport in Greenville SC replaced the tranny, rebuilt the final drive and replaced the clutch back in 2005 for about $3,500. I am about to rebuild the final drive again at 172k. I really like this bike and I know how much you have enjoyed yours. Hope it works out well with Pastor Jack.

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Howdy All:

I hope you are well.

Thanks for all the advice and thoughts. I heard back from Pastor Jack and he has had some things come up and will not be able to help me out after all.

I am not sure what I am going to do now. I think I am going to have the bike shipped home and put it in the back of the garage for a while. I really wished I had more time at home to be able to take the time it would take to work on this.

Thanks again all.

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LTParts.com has a tranny ffrom a 2000, for sale here. They have another one from a '02 too. You might consider at least getting the tranny, and amassing the other parts. Then start to figure out the "who, when, where" for replacement. While doing the tranny swap, you should replace the various seals, drill the weep holes, and change your clutch too.

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Howdy All:

I hope you are doing great.

I just wanted to update you and let you know that things are looking wonderful here. Well as wonderful as they can with a dead LT.

Pastor Jack and I have spoken and he is going to be able to help me out. The bike is going to head his way and be brought back to life. So I should be able to get another 90 some thousand miles out of it.

I am so happy. This bike has meant so much to me with the trips and memories with my family and with this community. Thanks again for all the kind thoughts and I can not say enough how much I appreciate Pastor Jack's assistance and the generosity of his offer.

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Just goes to show ya; good things happen to good people, by good people. Really happy with the update, Tony. Continued success, and 90,000+ more miles of smiles.


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Howdy All:

I hope you are doing great.

I just wanted to update you and let you know that things are looking wonderful here. Well as wonderful as they can with a dead LT.

Pastor Jack and I have spoken and he is going to be able to help me out. The bike is going to head his way and be brought back to life. So I should be able to get another 90 some thousand miles out of it.

I am so happy. This bike has meant so much to me with the trips and memories with my family and with this community. Thanks again for all the kind thoughts and I can not say enough how much I appreciate Pastor Jack's assistance and the generosity of his offer.
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Hi Tony!

Thought you might like to see a picture of your baby safe and sound here in North Carolina. BTW - she told me she likes the weather MUCH better here than in Michigan and really thanked me for the bath! She is clean as a whistle!

Anyway, she is here and they did a great job shipping! They had her secured properly and she was upright and doing well when she arrived. No damage whatsoever! I'll get in there and get to verifying the diagnosis soon and then...the fun part....I'll email you with a parts list!!!

Until then, just know that she is resting well and glad to be out of that dusty old BMW shop. She said she somewhat understood your predicament, but is still a bit peeved at being left out there alone like that! I just hope my GT doesn't take advantage of her in the garage at night -- he's a beast!
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Hey Tony:

Great to hear it is going to work out. Kudos to Pastor Jack for helping.

I remember doing the 12K service on your bike at CCR. Somewhere I have pictures of you with a concerned look on your face as the tech session crew was working on your bike.



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Hey Tony,

Good to know you're keeping the LT alive with the help of good friends! It's been awhile! Hope you and the family are well!

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OH MY GOODNESS!!!!!! No wonder that thing let you down in the middle of nowhere!!!!! You guys tore that thing to pieces!!!!

Hey Raffy...I met you at CCR! You were busy working on a bike, but I am the guy who was asking you about a backrest for an '07 GT! It was nice meeting you.

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Howdy All:

I hope you are doing great.

Pastor Jack thanks for taking care of her I can not thank you enough for your generosity. As you can see she had been abused in the past so take it easy on her. Although it was fun bringing her into a conference room at the hotel.

Raffy, thanks for the picture and the memory. i did wonder a bit if it was going to get back together.

I have always believed that this is truly a great group of friends here.

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Re: What to do with a Dead LT?

Well Tony...it is your tranny that has failed. I wanted to check some preliminary things before a major disassembly. This afternoon I did get it to shift gears on the lift, but then upon draining the oil from the tranny, this is what I found (see pics). The oil is full of metal (even some chunks from what looks like a bearing cage) indicating that indeed, the tranny needs to be replaced. You can begin your search for a replacement. Sorry to give you the bad news, but we figured so anyway.

It also looks like you have a leaking main seal, but I'll verify that once we are in there. And, BTW, I would STRONGLY suggest that we replace all seals and probably the clutch plate and spring (plus a few other parts) while we are in there unless you have replaced them before. I'm in no hurry, just wanted to give you an update! I'll give you a call to discuss in the next day or so and then we'll get the parts in as you can get them. Gotta run for now.
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These transmissions are actually quite easy to work on. When I bought my 99 lt the bearings were going out of the tranny. I pulled the engine and sat it on my workbench, then proceeded to remove the gearbox. I went ahead and put all clutch related parts as well as all seals and o-rings while I'm there. When I tore the tranny down I found two bearings bad so I measure these bearings and go down to Kaman Bearing to match them up for replacement. I bought a better grade than BMW had and installed them. I did all maintenance required while I'm in that far plus a little extra I didn't like seeing. While in the tranny I shimmed the shafts and bearings a little tighter than what come out. The tranny shifts just like silk, no grind, no growl, and no whine. Just like downtown. It was cheaper to do it myself, and I know what I have.
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Howdy Pastor Jack and All:

I hope you are well.

Those do not look like the best pictures, but it is kind of what we thought. I have a note into Dan above about the tranny he has available.


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Well Tony...it is your tranny that has failed. I wanted to check some preliminary things before a major disassembly. This afternoon I did get it to shift gears on the lift, but then upon draining the oil from the tranny, this is what I found (see pics). The oil is full of metal (even some chunks from what looks like a bearing cage) indicating that indeed, the tranny needs to be replaced. You can begin your search for a replacement. Sorry to give you the bad news, but we figured so anyway.

It also looks like you have a leaking main seal, but I'll verify that once we are in there. And, BTW, I would STRONGLY suggest that we replace all seals and probably the clutch plate and spring (plus a few other parts) while we are in there unless you have replaced them before. I'm in no hurry, just wanted to give you an update! I'll give you a call to discuss in the next day or so and then we'll get the parts in as you can get them. Gotta run for now.

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Howdy Pastor Jack and All:

I hope you are well.

Those do not look like the best pictures, but it is kind of what we thought. I have a note into Dan above about the tranny he has available.

Tony,

Can you PM me your cell phone # once more? I would rather talk through some of these things with you over the phone. Just easier to communicate that way. blessings and don't worry about your baby...she's gonna be all-right!

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Jack,

It might be fun to pull that trans down and just have a look see...

You never know it might be easy enough to fix.

While I've never had one apart. I think it's another one of those,
Once you had one open and get it back together, It turns out to be no biggie kind of things.

Kind of like your tupperware virginity...

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DAMMIT! This is EXACTLY the kind of story that hooked me on my LT! You guys are a great bunch, I've got mine up for sale. I hate to get rid of her, but I have to. I hope everything works out getting that tranny fixed/replaced!

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Pastorjack If you pull the cover off the tranny apply a little heat to the bearing journals and the cover will slip right off, You will lose a couple little pieces off the shifting mechanism inside, but don't get discouraged, You can put them back when reassembling. Look at the outside races of the bearings and you will probably see a light brown ring down the middle of the race. That will be a sign of the bearing getting too hot. When you buy bearings go for the grade 7, open seal bearings. You can get them at ANY bearing house. This will work better than the grease filled and sealed that comes on it stock. With open seal bearings it will constantly lubricate the bearing with fresh oil all the time, runs cooler, lasts longer, and requires less power to pull transmission. This is touching to me that you would do this to help this gentleman out like this so I will put my .02 in to help as well. When you go to assemble this tranny you will need a stand to hold the tranny off the shaft, If you don't have one let me know and I will send one as well as the seal drivers to install the seals. I have a machine and welding shop so I make all my special tools. ( against all the BMW shops advice around where I live). Hope all goes well on the repair.
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Alright guys...(and Tony), let me give an update of sorts. The bike arrived here safe and sound, although the tranny IS shot! Tony ordered his parts and they arrived rather quickly! I have been busier than a one-armed paper hanger in a windstorm and just the other day I finally got out there and spent couple of hours on her.

Got all the tupperware, rear wheel, final drive and swing arm off. (see pics below). I am now getting some time scheduled with Mike (my right and left hand when it comes to a large mechanical issue) and we will get the tranny out and the new one in in a day. Of course, we have to get that day scheduled in the next couple of weeks. It won't be this weekend as my daughter is coming in from college! But anyway, as you can see, we are making progress on "Big Blue". More updates as soon as there is anything to report!
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Great Karma there, Jack as you never cease to amaze everyone with your kindness. I love reading stories such as this and I'm a GT owner! Wish I lived closer so I could assist.

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Gentlemen, I am absolutely floored by the knowledge, help, compassion, and friendship that I see on this site. You are all above peer.

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Great Karma there, Jack as you never cease to amaze everyone with your kindness. I love reading stories such as this and I'm a GT owner! Wish I lived closer so I could assist.

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