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Has anyone else experienced excessive smoking from the K1200LT after sitting on its side stand for a day?
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Re: BMW Smoking

Stop parking it on the side stand...

This is a know issue with the high quality BMW product.

Instead of dumping all the oil on to a parking lot like HD and poluting the soil and waterways, BMW burns the oil off and destroys the atmosphere.
The two manufacturers are more alike than you would think.

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All of them will do this. I think its just one of the characteristics of this engine. If, when you go to park it, keep the bike upright, then cut off the engine and hold it in the upright position for just a little bit, then put it on the side stand, I have heard that it wont smoke when you crank it the next time.
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Hi Guys,
Thanks. I just stopped parking on side stand. My ride home was one very smoky ride, looked like junior after he blew his engine last weekend.
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If you pull up and use the side stand to cut the ignition, then plop it over and rest the bike there..........what happens in a nut shell is that the warm oil settles into the skirts of the pistons.............like was just mentioned; let the bike relax in a neutral position for a few moments before you lean it over and the oil will drain out of the skirts .............or; put it on the center stand and don't worry about it................
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After reading about why it does it here, I started turning off my bike and then removing my gloves and helmet before putting her on the side stand. Now she doesn't smoke.
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Stop parking it on the side stand...

This is a know issue with the high quality BMW product.

Instead of dumping all the oil on to a parking lot like HD and poluting the soil and waterways, BMW burns the oil off and destroys the atmosphere.
The two manufacturers are more alike than you would think.
Yah, fer sure.

At least on der Bimmer you don't have to bend down and pick up little pieces after you've parked.


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Yah, fer sure.

At least on der Bimmer you don't have to bend down and pick up little pieces after you've parked.
Very true ... BMW pieces a MUCH larger than Harley pieces! Harley's lose nuts and bolts. BMWs lost final drives, drive shafts, etc.


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Stop parking it on the side stand...

This is a know issue with the high quality BMW product.

Instead of dumping all the oil on to a parking lot like HD and poluting the soil and waterways, BMW burns the oil off and destroys the atmosphere.
The two manufacturers are more alike than you would think.
It's not a quality issue, this is a side effect of the brick style engines.

You can't compare an HD to the LT. The HD is using technology from the 1970's, and the LT is the most modern motorcycle around.

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Very true ... BMW pieces a MUCH larger than Harley pieces! Harley's lose nuts and bolts. BMWs lost final drives, drive shafts, etc.

Yah, fer sure.


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It's not a quality issue, this is a side effect of the brick style engines.

You can't compare an HD to the LT. The HD is using technology from the 1970's, and the LT is the most modern motorcycle around.
...and so when was the "brick" first introduced?

Why.... 1983!

I think the Bee Gees were big back then too, not long after Elvis puked.


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It's not a quality issue, this is a side effect of the brick style engines.

You can't compare an HD to the LT. The HD is using technology from the 1970's, and the LT is the most modern motorcycle around.
The LT design is somewhere between 5 and 25 years old, depending on how and what you count. There are a number of more modern motorcycles.

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You guys are missing the point of it... its a undocumented smoke screen feature for the James Bond types to escape the bad guy's who want to ask silly questions about BMW making motorcycles. Come on get with the program.

The supreme irony of life is that hardly anyone gets out of it alive.

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My LT would smoke on start up maybe one time out of 50 after being parked over 8 hours on the side stand. This past spring I switched oil brands for the first time in 5 years. I switched to Royal Purple 15W40 from Ames Oil 20W50. I didn't notice anything different till a friend and I went went for a ride. After returning he said my bike smoked quite a bit for the first 1/2 mile, I didn't think anything of it at the time. Well after I thought about his comment for a day or 2 it occurred to me that it has been smoking quit often at start up. I then checked the oil level and it was a little under half of the sight glass(normally at the top). In the 4-1/2 years that I have had this LT I never went thru that much oil in 7000 miles and I have less then 2000 on this oil. So right off I thought the worst (rings or seals). I then remembered that the Royal purple was 15W40 but that shouldn't make any difference I tell myself. A couple of days latter (still thinking about the my oil burner), I was at Wally World picking up oil for the car and right next to the 5 qt container of Mobile One i had my hand on, there was can of STP. Hmm what could it hurt, in the cart it went. After getting home and shaking off the pain in my finger tips from removing the oil fill cap on the LT, i topped off the oil with the STP (8ozs). 5 weeks and1500 miles later the oil level is still at the top of the sight glass and not one smokey start up. In my case i belive that the slight velocity change between the 20W50 and 15W40 was just enough to let oil seep between the rings.

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Its a feature. An auto pre-ignition oiler. Designed to have the Cylinders lubed up on the first stroke even before the engine catches. You don't even have to fill the oil filter with oil on your oil changes.

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you guys are badly misinformed if you think
Harleys drip and shed parts. they may look
like the 70's, but a assure you my five year
old Softail Heritage and both of the other
ones I have owned never leaked a drop
and never shed a part. If my BMW can
say that after five years, I'll be proud to
brag about it also.......
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you guys are badly misinformed if you think
Harleys drip and shed parts...
Let's just pretend that I wrench on a lot of motorcycles...

Why do all my friends that bring their Harley's to the house complain about loosing parts and leaks?
Those leaks aren't automatic chain oilers... I don't think the belts get oil.

So you where lucky wiht your HD purchase.

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you guys are badly misinformed if you think
Harleys drip and shed parts. they may look
like the 70's, but a assure you my five year
old Softail Heritage and both of the other
ones I have owned never leaked a drop
and never shed a part.
How many miles on that Softail after five years?

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How many miles on that Softail after five years?


I understand it's a good idea to lube trailer bearings every other year, especially if they get a lot of use.


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What has helped for me in the past, tips from this site, are, once you sit on the bike what a few seconds before cranking it up. Also while the engine is off and in first gear, push forward or back, so the cylinder opens a hair, I guess to drain the little bit that dripped in the cylinder head. Sometime it still puffs up once in awhile.

I think the best for the anti-smoke was a trip to Alaska and back.

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The other sunday I left my 02 Lt parked on the side stand. When I returned there where a bunch of bikers (metric choppers) praising the bike. I started the engine very proudly and a blue cloud of smoke almost turned the day into night... no need to say the guys did not want to hear the explanation about why this happens. I never felt so embarrassed!

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Mine has done it. Preventive for me is:
1 Don't overfill when changing oil. Sight glass no more than half full on center stand.
2 When parking on side stand, especially if engine is cold, hold the bike upright for about 15 seconds after ignition is shut off.
3 Place on centerstand always at home!
4 Never let it run on the sidestand!
No more smoke!
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did you charge for mosquito abatement? They all do it. Ok, except my 07. :-)

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Mosquito detector must have gone off...

Add a little DDT to your motor oil and keep the neighborhood free from the Hini flu...


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I don't worry about it.

1. It lets my Harley friends know I have started up.

2. It gives them something to put down and feel good about.


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Hello All
Just bought my LT 3 weeks ago 5yrs old and 6000 miles on the clock! So she spent a lot of time standing around unused.
Had been using the side stand rather than posing with the main and she started to smoke - thank you all for the advice I'll only use the main from now on.
Also have another problem of a noisy clutch release bearing or 1st motion shaft bearing that I'll search under the other topics.

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you guys are badly misinformed if you think
Harleys drip and shed parts. they may look
like the 70's, but a assure you my five year
old Softail Heritage and both of the other
ones I have owned never leaked a drop
and never shed a part. If my BMW can
say that after five years, I'll be proud to
brag about it also.......
Have you got a drip tray fitted , it sure sound,s like it .

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I am glad you posted this question. Mine smokes as well and now I know how aI can prevent it.
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I personally think K12LT's are sensitive mechanisms.

When the K12 was my only ride, it would do the smoke thing commensurate with how long I kept it upright after killing the engine and before putting it on the side-stand.

But I must have insulted it recently. I have a 10 mile commute and at my age I gradually got tired of pulling it out of the garage and so only rode it on week-ends and long trips.

But then a friend at the University "upgraded" from a K75RT to a R1150RT and I bought the K75. For the last four weeks, the K12 has been sitting mournfully in the garage while I took the K75 on the weekend RTEs and then rode it daily to the University.

Saturday, when I thought I'd be nice to the K12 and take it for a RTE to Columbus NM, it snarled its resentment by solving the mosquito problem for three miles along the Rio Grande by fogging a couple of square miles.

It's not a mechanical problem--it's machine psychology.
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When you stop, make sure it falls over on the right side. After you stand it back up and start it, it shouldn't smoke.

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I'd had the big smoke cloud after a drop, but this time there was no drop, just four weeks on the side-stand.

I still maintain it was what passes for hurt feelings from a machine

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