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Hello! I've been lurking, listening and learning here for quite some time. There is certainly a wealth of experience and knowledge here. Some day I hope to be able to contribute at least as much information as I take away from this site. But for now I'll stick to listening and learning and asking for help. And speaking of help, I need some advice, suggestions / technical advice.

My 2004 K1200LT will not crank / engage the starter. I've covered the basics to the best of my knowledge and have read extensively from prior postings / threads related to this subject. I'm somewhat familiar with the interlocks with respect to the kick stand and the reverse selector switch. I'm able to get the starter to engage and the engine to turn-over by directly supplying power to the starter from the battery, though I opted out of actually firing up the beast.

I've removed the tupperware from the left side of the bike. I can hear the two micro-switches engage as I slowly turn the reverse selector switch. I was unable to locate the connector housing the "green, brown and white" wire in order to temporarily by-pass the interlock system by grounding that pin. To say the least I'm quite frustrated. I've always been able to work out most mechanical / electrical problems in the past, but not this time. The battery is strong, the lights are bright, I've even hooked up a battery jumper pack, so I know the amps are sufficient. I've never fooled with the alarm system as the "engine immobilizer" is not well explained in my owners manual. I do notice that the alarm system LED flashes faintly every time I depress the starter button - nowhere have I found mention of this being normal or not. Any help or suggestions would be greatly appreciated. I see a trip to either "Morton's or Bob's" in my near future anyway, as I must now replace some of the rubberized grommets / nuts that I damage removing the tupperware this afternoon.
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post #2 of 10 Old May 15th, 2009, 6:20 pm
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Re: Newbie, First Post & Need Help

Just to clarify.
You turn the key, the alarm light on the console is solid red. You press the left button on the key fob to dis-engage the immobilizer? The alarm light goes out?

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Re: Newbie, First Post & Need Help

I heard this week of a guy whose alarm and imoboliser got out of sink with each other - I wonder if this is the same thing?



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I mentioned the bike has an alarm system in an attempt to present a complete picture of what is going on - namely I can't get the starter to crank without jumping the starter directly to the battery. I have never used the alarm system since I purchased the bike. The key fobs do not interact with the alarm system and never have to my knowledge. Two days ago while trying to diagnosis the fail-to-crank problem, I disconnected the battery for about 10 minutes. When I reconnected the leads the alarm system went into alarm, stayed on for the required 26 seconds and then was silent. I tried to disarm the system with both key fobs to no avail. I had to enter the "code" via observing the LED flashes and turning the key on and off as required. The alarm was silenced and the system acknowledged a reset.

I do not believe the alarm system is the cause of my fail-to-crank problem, but I can't rule it out since I don't know how the engine becomes "immobilized" - i.e. it doesn't crank, or it cranks, but won't start, etc. I'm looking for ways to diagnosis what the problem is buy ruling out other issues. For example, the specific location of the "connection" that contains the pin that can be grounded to by-pass the reverse inter-lock micro switch(s) assembly.
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My bet is the alarm was programmed so you didn't have to disarm the immobilizer to start the bike, (a common thing). It could be the battery was disconnected at some point and the alarm defaulted to its default behavior. When the immobilizer is engaged, the starter motor will not engage even though you have power to everything.

If the fobs are out of synch press the left button repeatedly, also you may need to replace the batteries in the fobs.

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Re: Newbie, First Post & Need Help

I agree with Michael,


The alarm has returned to the defualt state where you must use the FOB to start the bike. You need to re-sync the FOBs to the alarm. I'll see if I can run down a procedure to do that and post it.

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Re: Newbie, First Post & Need Help

Not sure if John is referring to just syncing a key FOB to the bike's alarm system so if he is here goes . . .

Re-syncing FOBs to alarms well I believe I am qualified to report how I do that.

I own a key FOB that eats batteries and whenever I do maintainence on the bike and disconnect the bike's battery the bike requires the alarm to be disabled when I reconnect the battery back up. Well the FOB does not work, since the FOB battery (CR2032) is dead, so in goes a new battery in the FOB and I do the following:

While next to the bike hold down both buttons on the FOB unitl the FOB light start to blink.
This indicates you are communicating with the bikes alarm system.
Now cycle the bikes alarm system off and on a few times.

See if this might help . . .

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I just wanted to thank all the members who responded to my first post. After several days of diagnostics, poking and prodding I discovered the reason my K1200LT failed to crank. Apparently over the Winter a mouse took up residence beneath the rear seat where the brains of the alarm system are mounted. Feeling cold and hungry, the mouse, I'll call him or her Honda, decided to chew on a multitude of wires. Some were actually severed, others severely damaged. Fortunately, I was able to splice and solder all the wires back together. I then used heat shrink tubing to isolate the repairs from one another. Afterwards, I wrapped the entire harness in cold shrink tape - it sticks to itself, but not the wiring. Lastly, I used flexible conduit to encase the harness.

The bike now cranks, but since the fuel tank has been removed, I'm not sure I'm out of the woods yet. I'm not in such a rush to put the bike back together as I will probably do some service, maintenance work beforehand.

Again, a sincere thanks to everyone who responded to my call for help. Oh, and yes, the alarm system now operates as designed and responds to both key fobs accordingly.

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Re: Newbie, First Post & Need Help

Matt:

Welcome to the forum.

Good job on the repair.

It'll probably fire right up when you get the gas tank back on it.

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Re: Newbie, First Post & Need Help

Awesome Matt, good to hear it.

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