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post #1 of 28 Old Feb 2nd, 2009, 11:15 am Thread Starter
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Get a new LT or what..

I have an 02LTC with over 120k miles on it. At about 115k, I dropped 3 grand into it at the dealer, all the suspenders rebuilt (ohlins, forks), the giant 110k service, etc.

My buddy and his SO want this bike (they are in MI), I figured its worth between 4-5 grand, maybe??

I'm trying to talk my SO into giving it up (her name is on the title, its really 'her' bike) and either buying a new LT or looking at something else in the 2-up department.

Since we just dumped money into it she's hesitant to give it up but without the service, it'd have been worth a lot less in my opinion.

This thread is similar to the 02 or 05 thread but I didn't want to hijack it.

another issue is the SO just got a job in LA so I'm using that as a springboard regarding 2-up travel in nocal, she has not seen much of CA
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New bike? :-)
New bike in a new state? :-)
Ride the costal highway? :-)
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heheh....thats exactly what I keep telling her!

it ain't working.....yet
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If your 02 is in good shape it should be easy to let it go for closer to 8k maybe a little more... 4k to 5k is low unless its in rough condition............Pete
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Maybe the LT will be the wrong color for your new house or won't be color coordinated with the new environment?

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long as it matches my fat arse I'm a happy guy!!

man o man, at the price of rent out thisaways, I dunno what we'll do just yet but...

My 02 runs great and all but I really dont' think its worth 8k. I look at it like this...would I pay 8k for my bike today? not! even though its in good shape, it is very used

besides, seriously....ANY excuse for a new bike eh?
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Just a friendly reminder that CA will suck the blood out of you in registration fees on a new vehicle....I live there for 8 years without buying one largely because of that.

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long as it matches my fat arse I'm a happy guy!!

man o man, at the price of rent out thisaways, I dunno what we'll do just yet but...

My 02 runs great and all but I really dont' think its worth 8k. I look at it like this...would I pay 8k for my bike today? not! even though its in good shape, it is very used

besides, seriously....ANY excuse for a new bike eh?
Although we all know how tough the LT is that is still a lot of miles for a bike and I doubt you will get much more than 4k for this one. However any excuse is good for a new bike. If you need some help convincing the CEO post a petition on this site and I am sure many of us will all sign it.
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I'm still an AZ resident and was thinking if I buy, I'd buy in AZ..that may not mean much to CA when I need to become a CA resident. This stuff is confusing. I can't sell my house in AZ (like, who can??) so I'll still be a homeowner there for some time to come.

The SO does have to become a CA resident immediately, for professional licensing purposes. I'm not sure what I'm going to do about that yet. What a crazy life!

I was rather shocked coming from MI to AZ regarding yearly plate fee's, yikes!! But I guess other taxes are low so they have to make the money somehow. Its like 3-400 bucks for both my bikes (02 LTC, 06 K12S) each year to get a plate tag.

Petition...I like the sound of that, arharh..are ya'll gonna demand test rides if you sign it for me??

Knowing this forum, I'm SURE there are some strings attached
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The sale price will be $4k or less given the miles. The recent service may help a Buyer make the decision to buy because he will have some confidence in the bike. The amount you recently spent only has meaning to you. In the sale of any asset the amounts you spent are just history (sometimes called a "sunk cost") and irrelevent.

There are a bunch of choices in a new bike. Have fun!

I'd stay away from a NEW LT since BMW will be abandoning the current design and there is little value in the last year in the line. Of course that is just my opinion and I hate to repeat myself so I never buy the same thing twice (I bore easily). Your experience may vary.

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I think the first mistake was to take your aging bike to the dealer and "invest" 3 grand into it. I understand it is water under the bridge now.

The cost of labor is why we have tech sessions at someone's garage, where you just bring your parts, bagels, and a great attitude. In the process you will make new friends, demystify the LT, and save a lot of money.
There is nothing impossible about flushing all the fluids and replacing filters, the most difficult task being the integrated brakes.

With that said the decision to replace the bike depends on your financial state. Since you had all the required maintenance already done, why not enjoy the bike for a while, and maybe start doing some of the routine maintenance yourself or at a tech session? On the other hand you may have the itch for a new bike and can't wait to pull the trigger... Understandable too! With the current state of the economy you may strike a great deal.

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Re: Get a new LT or what..

I figured color issues might be a rational reason, at least for an SO, to change bikes?

Since I don't live in a city or town, it was cheaper for me to buy out of state and have my new LT shipped here.

When I moved here from MA, my registration fees doubled. It worked out OK for my bike though, my riding season more than doubled, and my insurance rates were less than 2/3 than state set rates in MA.

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I've always done my own maintenance on my bikes, until the last few years. Riding 1000 miles/week or more at times, I just don't have the time (I don't fly much, heheh), otherwise, I'd love to. All I do is tires and oil mostly now.

The LT was unsafe with a blown fork seal (on a 85 MPH sweeper when it blew, that was fun) and the shocks were dead, etc. I had a 5000 mile trip coming up and had to have those things done. It runs/rides better than new. But I agree, thats a sunk cost, I own that, no one else.

Never really planned on dumping the bike but my buddy wants it bad, he knows I take care of my machines. He buys most of my machines when I'm done with them, I spare no change keeping them up.

SO is of the same opinion, ie, keep it since we have it in good shape.

And your right...I just wanna new bike for no particular reason, maybe a list of excuses for the SO is in order 'cause I sure can't come up with a real one!
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Never really planned on dumping the bike but my buddy wants it bad, he knows I take care of my machines. He buys most of my machines when I'm done with them, I spare no change keeping them up.
Resist the pressure from your buddy... and suggest that he buys a used LT from someone on this forum.
I'd also say keep your LT because it is paid for and you know the bike like no one else.
A new bike would NOT come with Ohlins!!! That is another point in favor of keeping!!!

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I'm still an AZ resident and was thinking if I buy, I'd buy in AZ..that may not mean much to CA when I need to become a CA resident. This stuff is confusing. I can't sell my house in AZ (like, who can??) so I'll still be a homeowner there for some time to come.

The SO does have to become a CA resident immediately, for professional licensing purposes. I'm not sure what I'm going to do about that yet. What a crazy life!

I was rather shocked coming from MI to AZ regarding yearly plate fee's, yikes!! But I guess other taxes are low so they have to make the money somehow. Its like 3-400 bucks for both my bikes (02 LTC, 06 K12S) each year to get a plate tag.
Apologies...I did not realize that AZ had become that Kaliforniaized on vehicle taxes...CA is about the same at 2% of estimated vehicle value. A new vehicle needs to be owned 6 months to avoid repaying the sales tax on it. It was a big shock to me in 1990 going from less than $100 a year for all my vehicles to $2500 a year. In the 90's CA used to send CHP the around parking lots where I worked looking for AZ plates so they could fine new residents that had not officially changed their allegiance to Sacramento....not sure if they still do that or not. Anyways the key criteria appears to be employment in the State not necessarily residence. Oh, and by the way CA will not compensate you with low taxes in any other way...make sure to keep your wallet open. Moving to FL from CA was an incredible change...no state income tax, low registration fees, moderate sales tax, low car insurance rates...the equivalent of a huge raise for me.

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If I remember correctly, the last fellow who ran his LT past 120K had to replace the trany around 150k?

I'm drawing a blank on his name--was on the old site. He was in the military are a real ridin-fool!

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Yeah LD, if you do move to Kommyfornia, you may want to consider keeping your reg and DL active in AZ. Right now, we have a FORTY (40) $billion budget deficit. Now these worthless hacks have NEVER see a tax that they do not like--so you can imagine the pack of hyenas with a such a HUGE deficit.

In spite of the great deals now, I would not buy a new bike in this economy.

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I need professional help...for strategic planning that is (well ok, maybe for some other things too )..

we'll be working with our tax folks, but this could get interesting!

thats a huge jump in fee's, from 100 to 2500!! yikes!! now where'd i put that mountain bike..

rent went down nearly a 3rd in santa monica, where the SO has decided to get a place, and its still 2-3 grand/month. unreal. worse part is, with a one bedroom, you get one park spot and number two costs 150/month!

So I'm still thinking about a new/newer bike but will have to run the numbers.

How the hell do 10.2 million people afford to live in LA (not to mention why they'd want to live there), I'll never know. We keep thinking we missed the train somewhere along the line

So far, no problem in HB with my AZ plates, I stay out of the state 3 months/year as required for a non-resident working there. I've worked in other states for 6 months, living in a motel and they wanted me to change plates!! I told them to sue me, I'm only working here
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Santa Monica is a very expensive place to live because it is on the ocean. In the San Fernando Valley I pay the same you will be paying in rent, but my house is a 4b/2.5 bath and comes with a nice attached 2 car garage and a pool. Santa Monica is run by liberals and homeless abound and have more rights than you do.

Santa Monica is also located on the "West Side" and traffic is extremely congested. On the plus side the atmosphere is very relaxed, and you will see a lot of bicycles on the streets. Plus there is that beach life...

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....rent went down nearly a 3rd in santa monica, where the SO has decided to get a place, and its still 2-3 grand/month. unreal. worse part is, with a one bedroom, you get one park spot and number two costs 150/month!....How the hell do 10.2 million people afford to live in LA (not to mention why they'd want to live there), I'll never know. We keep thinking we missed the train somewhere along the line ....
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Santa Monica is a very expensive place to live because it is on the ocean. In the San Fernando Valley I pay the same you will be paying in rent, but my house is a 4b/2.5 bath and comes with a nice attached 2 car garage and a pool. Santa Monica is run by liberals and homeless abound and have more rights than you do.

Santa Monica is also located on the "West Side" and traffic is extremely congested. On the plus side the atmosphere is very relaxed, and you will see a lot of bicycles on the streets. Plus there is that beach life....
Hey LD, Gilles called it on Skanky Monica. Check it carefully before you commit to a lease.

Re living in LA: if everyone that owned a home had to purchase their home again now, even in this market, how many of us could afford to live here? Yeah, at one time, this was the City of Angeles. Now, well, it just belongs to the devil.

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The LT was unsafe with a blown fork seal (on a 85 MPH sweeper when it blew, that was fun) ----------------------
Why did the fork seal cause a problem? The only thing that can happen is possible oil on a tire. The forks have no shock or damping them, only oil to lubricate the sliding action.

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If I remember correctly, the last fellow who ran his LT past 120K had to replace the trany around 150k?

I'm drawing a blank on his name--was on the old site. He was in the military are a real ridin-fool!

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That was Admiral Don Arthur (now retired from the Navy). I think it was higher than 150K, but not sure. He went well over 300K and was in the way to ride the Iron Butt Rally on it when a lady pulled out in front of him, totaling the bike.

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I've got a slightly used '09 I'll make you a deal on.

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Well I think we've come up with a plan, appreciate all the input and offers.

She got a 1br lease for 6 months in skanky monica (arharh, thats a good one)...shes 13 miles to work (going east) and can walk to all the stores, etc. Her call on that one. New job and all, the less baggage right now the better.

my boy wants to attend college in CA come fall, so with 2 dogs he's watching and all, we'll have to find a better place (rent a home) at that time...we'll have some time to look around more during the first 6 months also.

Talked to my buddy, we decided to hold off on a sale/new bike for ole geo (sniff)...I told him he's welcome to come down and take it, I'll have an excuse to visit MI again and pick it up sometime, wont' cost him a dime to do that. Like most folks though, he'd rather own what he's riding but it's an option to just use what I have for his vacation.

I'm going to remain an AZ resident long as I can since we still own a house here (probably will forever in this friggin housing market). Depends on what the $$ advisor tells us as well but half the houses in my little 'sub' so to speak, are vacant. No help in this country on housing for working folks I can see, so we're stuck.

Guess I'll use up some of those repair dollars spent on the LT in the next few months. I use my K12S mostly anyways but last year, only 16k miles on the KS, the remainder of 49k miles for the year was on the LT (lots of long trips) so it will be put to good use I think

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Why did the fork seal cause a problem? The only thing that can happen is possible oil on a tire. The forks have no shock or damping them, only oil to lubricate the sliding action.
I'm not sure other than blowing oil all over the brake caliper/tire, I may have been sliding a bit I haven't torn the bike apart myself so I'm not familiar with the design/configuration much.

I was dancing on the white line for awhile there, wondering if it was gonna hold.

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Welcome to California, LD! Best wishes for a speedy acclimation.

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Well thank you sir

I'm pretty acclimated already, having worked in HB for over 2 years now (rent a room, leave on the wkends) but if I have to become a real CA resident at some point (and it's looking that way), I'll have a little more acclimating to do I'm sure.

can't beet the riding here though, when your in the right place and out of traffic!
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