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post #1 of 18 Old Feb 1st, 2009, 11:47 am Thread Starter
 
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OK, So I have a main seal leak.... but we figured just to let in go for now

2002: Black 43,000 miles , stock with LE shocks and luggage rack, ugraded
side lights and PIAA bulbs

Now, here is what came my way:

2005: Blue K1200LT 11,000 miles I pay $3500 and give my 2002 in trade.

The 2005 is a one owner, sitting down at a dealer, as a consigment

2005 is stock , I want my luggage rack, new battery, and tires from 2002

I run Chatter box bluetooth system so intercom no big deal...

Is there that big of difference or should I save my money
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Re: 05 Vs 02 K1200lt

The 05 has a few changes from the 02. First a power center stand.
Next it has a different rake on the front forks to improve slow speed handling. Also a few more ponies under the hood Err Umm I mean tupperware. As far as taking "YOUR" stuff off your bike that you want to keep well.. that would be up to the owner of the 05 to say yes or no. The money difference is only a choose you can make. I love my 2000 and have it set up the way I want so for me it would be a no. JMTC

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Re: 05 Vs 02 K1200lt

Only one question you have to answer,,,, do you like the 05 more than the 02??? Thats all there is to it.............Pete
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Re: 05 Vs 02 K1200lt

Figure $2K to fix the oils seal. While they are in there they can replace the slave, drill a weep hole, replace the trany seal, and drill a weep hole in the bell housing--yer good to go!

Course, as you've experienced, no guaranty the 05 won't have either an engine or trany seal leak.

Figure the center stand will have to be repaired.

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Re: 05 Vs 02 K1200lt

I would get an LT with the factory warranty on. 2005 is out of warranty and also the first year of new design. 07 or 08 model would be my choice.

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OK, So I have a main seal leak.... but we figured just to let in go for now

2002: Black 43,000 miles , stock with LE shocks and luggage rack, ugraded
side lights and PIAA bulbs

Now, here is what came my way:

2005: Blue K1200LT 11,000 miles I pay $3500 and give my 2002 in trade.

The 2005 is a one owner, sitting down at a dealer, as a consigment

2005 is stock , I want my luggage rack, new battery, and tires from 2002

I run Chatter box bluetooth system so intercom no big deal...

Is there that big of difference or should I save my money

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Re: 05 Vs 02 K1200lt

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I would get an LT with the factory warranty on. 2005 is out of warranty and also the first year of new design. 07 or 08 model would be my choice.
Good call.... I'd look at it that way too.

I'm sort of sitting on the fence myself thinking of selling my 02 and looking for a deal on an 08 or 09.

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Re: 05 Vs 02 K1200lt

While the 05 is prettier, 2 headlights (Still lacking power)) more chrome and more HP I would stay with the 02 for the following reasons.

A 02 has better Analog versus 05 crappy digital speedo that fades in sunlight


02 has wider seat - 05 narrower but if you get another seat, moot point.

02 has real Center stand - 05 will leak or break *(expensive hydraulic )

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Re: 05 Vs 02 K1200lt

The people I've known that traded up from a 99-04 to Post '05 model ... said there's a big difference and we're glad they made the switch. If your having Mechanical problems with the '02, I'd go with the '05 and get an aftermarket warranty and negotiate the $3500 trade down to $2800 if at all possible.

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Re: 05 Vs 02 K1200lt

I have 2 LT's. 2000 and 2004 models. Differencies in real life are more minimal than in paper. 2004, or 2005 in your case, is more just facelift scecially in your case. A bit different design in cockpit, power center stand (real good comparing to old one) and a bit shorter gear ratio (I am not sure when this came, between 2000 and 2004 in any case). You won't see any difference during driving between 2002 and 2005. But it is more a question of outlook.

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Re: 05 Vs 02 K1200lt

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You won't see any difference during driving between 2002 and 2005.
I totally disagree with the above statement, I was perfectly happy with my 2002 LT,
unfortunately she was totaled in a collision with an Elk.

The very first thing I noticed about the 2005 was how much more power it had
and how much better it handled than the 2002,
I didn't care for the new dash at first but now I don't mind anymore,
love the power centerstand,

never had any problems with the 2005,
replaced a final drive bearing on the 2002,
no big deal $400 (dealer) and I left on a ten state trip the next day.

To the ones that only have negative things to say about the LT,
I say bullsh*t, with over 300,000 BMW miles on my butt
(and just as many miles on other brands)
my 2005 is BMW number six for me
and by far the best motorcycle I've ever had.


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Re: 05 Vs 02 K1200lt

Trade up 3 years for $3500.00. thats $1166.00 a year. thats a no-brainer, go for it.
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Re: 05 Vs 02 K1200lt

I'm biased since the only LT I've owned is an 05.

If you know you have repairs that will cost you thousands of dollars on your 02, the trade may make some sense. The 05 has fairly low miles. I've got 73K on mine.

One thing to consider is just the age of stuff. Elastomers, plastics all degrade with age. You have newer seals, hoses, etc, if that matters.

I would also see if the slave on the 05 was drilled (probably not), so you'll have a bit of an effort going in there to provide that feature.

For me to get a 3 year newer vehicle (bike or cage) with 1/4 the miles knowing I have $2k +/- to put into the older one, is a bit of a no-brainer to me, but I'm biased!

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Re: 05 Vs 02 K1200lt

While I agree with you (I had 05 for 3 months), the recent models 07 and newer had better reliability than 05. I test rode an 08LT at the dealer, I felt like I could get used to the new design.

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While the 05 is prettier, 2 headlights (Still lacking power)) more chrome and more HP I would stay with the 02 for the following reasons.

A 02 has better Analog versus 05 crappy digital speedo that fades in sunlight


02 has wider seat - 05 narrower but if you get another seat, moot point.

02 has real Center stand - 05 will leak or break *(expensive hydraulic )

If I get another LT it will be a 2000 -2004 model.

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Re: 05 Vs 02 K1200lt

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I totally disagree with the above statement, I was perfectly happy with my 2002 LT,
unfortunately she was totaled in a collision with an Elk.

The very first thing I noticed about the 2005 was how much more power it had
and how much better it handled than the 2002,
I didn't care for the new dash at first but now I don't mind anymore,
love the power centerstand,

never had any problems with the 2005,
replaced a final drive bearing on the 2002,
no big deal $400 (dealer) and I left on a ten state trip the next day.

To the ones that only have negative things to say about the LT,
I say bullsh*t, with over 300,000 BMW miles on my butt
(and just as many miles on other brands)
my 2005 is BMW number six for me
and by far the best motorcycle I've ever had.
Interesting comment. I do not even recognize powerdifference. It is so marginal compared to the weight of the bike.

Did you have same size and type of windshield in older one compared to what you have now?

Handling of 2005 model over 2004 might be different specially in low speed because of different fork angle. That should be recognizable and just positive change.

And as you wrote. Power centerstand is great invention in LT. I fully agree with you.

And comment overall: I am not commenting anything about if it is reasonable to change into newer model paying that amount of money or just repairing the old one. That is everyones own personal choice, depending on many things and feelings. I was just describing what I think about these models. And both of them are great bikes.

For me it was disappointing to find out, when I bought my 2004 LT with 7000 miles in it, that there was no difference in feeling, when I drive with it compared to older one, which has some 22000 miles in it. I have been driving both models last summer, 3000...4000 miles each, so at least I am able to compare them quite objectively, I think. Both of them have same big size of original BMW windshield, so it does not make any difference in feeling.

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I don't think this was corrected but the speedo is analog, not digital. Also, the BMW speedo error is 3.5 mph( one space) and not the % that your '02 is off.
I loved my '05.
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Boy...........I'm so-o-o back water...........I have an '03...........first LT and bought it with the plan to make it last............haven't had the opportunity to ride any other LT's at all.................

Yeah........it's fast...............yeah.............it handles..............yeah ...........it's paid for....................yeah...........the economy sucks...............'nuff said..................I'll stay on this one until what ever down the road makes me change my mind..................
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Re: 05 Vs 02 K1200lt

Yeah. What Hans (Silver Buffalo) said. Had an 02 and absolutely loved it. Then it was attacked by and SUV, and gave its life protecting me from serious injury. Was ready to find another 02, then rode an 07. The perfect bike for me (my 02) was made perfecter! More power, lower seat, better handling, even W says it rides better.

For 1100 per year, I'd go for it. But that's just me. FWIW.

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Re: 05 Vs 02 K1200lt

Having had an 02 and owning an 09 (which, as far a I know is pretty much the same as an 05), it is very much worth the trade-up. All the details that changed have changed for the much better. My only very little rant is that I actually enjoyed the over-sensitive brakes the 02 had, this is nothing compared to the rest.
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