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LT Trunk bottom moving

Hi all,

when I open the trunk, the whole bottom part lifts slightly.

It looks like the inner part is not fixed properly (see pics) so when the cover lace pulls up, the whole thing raises as well.

I have looked into the user's manual and it says that there's a screw that has to be removed to remove the inner box, but from the pics in the manual it seems to be the same screw that holds the lace, which is correctly in place on my bike. Actually the whole screw/lace raises up.

Is there any other fixing point to check?

Thanks for any help
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The inner lining of the box on my LT is only held in place with some velcro, the only screw (going from memory) to remove was the one that holds the strap in place, I'd suggest pulling it out completely and repositioning it in the box.


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there are 2 little plastic tabs on the liner that snap into little slots in the handle mechanism, looks like they are not seated in. I used a thin screw driver to slide down and guide them in, then things should seat flush and the tabs hold the liner down.

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Re: LT Trunk bottom moving

I had the same problem on mine. The two clips next to the latches were broken off, however, the key point on this is the bolt that holds the lanyard in place. Yours must be broken also. I was able to fabricate a small piece of lexan that had a preformed 90 degree angle. Trim it down so it is narrow enough to fit through the opening in the removable part of the inner liner, with a hole for the lanyard bolt, and the base of it is wide enough to put two nuts and bolts through the internal mount of the lower case. It works perfectly. If you need pics, let me know.

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Re: LT Trunk bottom moving

I don't think he's talkin about the liner guys...

Remove the screw and disconnect the strap that holds the lid.. Don't let it go all the way inside the retractor assembly..

Remove the liner in the bottom of the trunk.. It's velcro'd in. Comes out easy..

Four screws hold the trunk in place. Tighten as necessary..

Re-assemble...

That should solve your problem if I understand that the whole trunk is loose on it's mounting.

If you're talking about the liner. It does float around in there.. Use some extra velcro or something to hold it better.



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I don't think he's talkin about the liner guys...

Remove the screw and disconnect the strap that holds the lid.. Don't let it go all the way inside the retractor assembly..

Remove the liner in the bottom of the trunk.. It's velcro'd in. Comes out easy..

Four screws hold the trunk in place. Tighten as necessary..

Re-assemble...

That should solve your problem if I understand that the whole trunk is loose on it's mounting.

If you're talking about the liner. It does float around in there.. Use some extra velcro or something to hold it better.



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FWIW, and you do have to tighten the bolts - AND if you want more (or less) room for the pillion, you can move the trunk forward, or back, depending upon its original postion (there are 2 front-to-back options). Simply remove the trunk, and swith out the placement of the rear deck screws to the alternate locations, and then re-attach the trunk accordingly.

See attached picture; this is the top case in the "back" position. If in the front position, it is aligned with the side bags. The back position gives the pillion another 2 inches or so of space.

I discovered this "feature" when doing the cannisterechtomy. My Pillion complained that she had less room - I had accidentally put it back together in the forward position.
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I don't think he's talkin about the liner guys...

Remove the screw and disconnect the strap that holds the lid.. Don't let it go all the way inside the retractor assembly..

Remove the liner in the bottom of the trunk.. It's velcro'd in. Comes out easy..

Four screws hold the trunk in place. Tighten as necessary..

Re-assemble...

That should solve your problem if I understand that the whole trunk is loose on it's mounting.

If you're talking about the liner. It does float around in there.. Use some extra velcro or something to hold it better.



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Look at the pix. The LINER is what is loose, you can see that clearly in the photos. I doubt that those 4 big ole bolts that hold the trunk down have all worked loose.
I agree that moving it back while you have it opened up is a great mod!
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Re: LT Trunk bottom moving

Were those pics there when I looked at it the first time ?

Hmmmm...

Guess I wasn't quite awake when I got to that one.

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Hi all,

when I open the trunk, the whole bottom part lifts slightly.

It looks like the inner part is not fixed properly (see pics) so when the cover lace pulls up, the whole thing raises as well.

I have looked into the user's manual and it says that there's a screw that has to be removed to remove the inner box, but from the pics in the manual it seems to be the same screw that holds the lace, which is correctly in place on my bike. Actually the whole screw/lace raises up.

Is there any other fixing point to check?

Thanks for any help
It has been some time since I had the liner out of my trunk, but I thought the tether cord bolt goes into the body of the lower trunk, not just the liner. If it is pulling up the liner, then I suspect that either the bolt was placed correctly or something has broken at the place where the tether bolt is inserted.

If nobody else is sure, I can go out to my garage and take mine out and take a closer look at what holds the tether bolt.

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Re: LT Trunk bottom moving

First of all, thanks to all the ones who replied with useful suggestions

I can confirm that the problem is only the liner, not the whole top-case.

I had looked in the LT maintenance manual before posting here, and it does mention the screw as a fixing point for the liner, that's why I was surprised to see it moving up so much. I tried to see if it's broken, but I don't have a picture of a "good" one so I can't tell if mine is broken or not.

The liner is slightly moving up also in the area where you should have the two clips next to the latches, but again it's hard to know if those clips are in place, since I don't know how they should look like.

Unluckily the pictures in the maintenance manual are far from being clear. Any picture of the two parts above would greatly help

I guess that the only way to know what's going on, is dismount the whole inner liner and check everything: screw/bolt, clips and velcro.

PS: I was aware of the "mod" that you can apply, by adjusting the longitudinal position of the case, the whole procedure is shown in the maintenance manual. Anyway, since my passenger is still happy with the space she has, I won't touch anything for the moment.

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Buy a roll of the heavy duty Velcro at your local Ace hardware, custom cut some strips and you're good to go.


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The tether attachment bolt is carries a cantilevered load and the plastic into which it is threaded will break if the lid is not opened gently. It will also break if the wind catches the lid when open. Once it breaks it cannot be repaired. It appears from your photos that either the fastener has just backed out or, more likely, the fastener has broken loose from the top box.

Just retract the strap and throw away the bolt. The top rests well on the seat when fully open. And the liner will stop moving around.

While you are in there you might as well pull out the mirror and throw that away as well. If it hasn't broken ..... it will. These parts won't be the last bits of crappy plastic you will break. Get ready to replace the inner mirror mounts; they will be broken when removing the mirrors for service by your local shop. (the mechanic won't tell you, they'll just fall off somewhere down the road)

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Bob, you seem to know this bike pretty well
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Just retract the strap and throw away the bolt. The top rests well on the seat when fully open. And the liner will stop moving around.
Good advice, if it turns out that it's actually broken, I'll consider your hint
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While you are in there you might as well pull out the mirror and throw that away as well. If it hasn't broken ..... it will.
It is already broken (the bike is used, 2 years old). The mirror stays in place only because of the magnet and falls down continuously.
I'm already keeping it down in the topcase but I'll soon scrap it
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Get ready to replace the inner mirror mounts; they will be broken when removing the mirrors for service by your local shop. (the mechanic won't tell you, they'll just fall off somewhere down the road)
Thank God the bike is used. The first owner has already replaced them and added an additional safety with a steel wire to keep the mirrors attached in case they fall down.

PS: I literally lost one mirror on the test RT bike I rode last year. I was shocked and concerned when I had to return it, but their look was of the kind: "yes, we know, we know...."

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Bob, you seem to know this bike pretty well

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I do. If it can break - it has or I have.......

I still like the bike though.

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I discovered this "feature" when doing the cannisterechtomy. My Pillion complained that she had less room - I had accidentally put it back together in the forward position.
I am sure you were very tactfull with the spousal unit and did not suggest she might have become bigger...

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I am sure you were very tactfull with the spousal unit and did not suggest she might have become bigger...
Of course... I may be dumb, but I'm not stupid! lol

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It is already broken (the bike is used, 2 years old). The mirror stays in place only because of the magnet and falls down continuously.
I'm already keeping it down in the topcase but I'll soon scrap it
When my trunk mirror broke, it was the pivot tabs on the side that broke. The magnet is still in place.

I repaired mine by drilling a couple of small holes.
1. left bottom corner of the plastic holding the mirror.
2. Right bottom corner of the plastic holding the mirror.

Removed the bottom piece of plastic that used to hold the mirror pivots and drilled two more small holes.

3. Left upper corner, aligned with the hole drilled in #1.
4. Right upper corner, aligned with the hole drilled in #2.

I used tthe smallest zippy ties that I could find to fit and joined #1 & 3. then #2 & 4...in essence making a hinge.

Tighten the zip ties as you need to so you can still open and close your mirror.

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It is already broken (the bike is used, 2 years old). The mirror stays in place only because of the magnet and falls down continuously.
I'm already keeping it down in the topcase but I'll soon scrap it
When my trunk mirror broke, it was the pivot tabs on the side that broke. The magnet is still in place.

I repaired mine by drilling a couple of small holes.
1. left bottom corner of the plastic holding the mirror.
2. Right bottom corner of the plastic holding the mirror.

Removed the bottom piece of plastic that used to hold the mirror pivots and drilled two more small holes.

3. Left upper corner, aligned with the hole drilled in #1.
4. Right upper corner, aligned with the hole drilled in #2.

I used the smallest zippy ties that I could find to fit and joined #1 & 3. then #2 & 4...in essence making a hinge.

Tighten the zip ties as you need to so you can still open and close your mirror.

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Buy a roll of the heavy duty Velcro at your local Ace hardware, custom cut some strips and you're good to go.
Ron, he's from Italy, don't think there are Ace Hardware stores there.

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When my trunk mirror broke, it was the pivot tabs on the side that broke. The magnet is still in place.
Same here.

As for your fixing method... it looks like a brilliant solution

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A short update...

sorry for not reporting back before, but my garage is not near home and I have to go there on purpose and in the past weeks, with ice and snow, I didn't use the bike much. This week we're above 0C and it's sunny, so I had time to use the bike and check the topcase.

I raised the liner fully and noticed that the tether attachment bolt is moving, because the plastic "O" shaped ring, where the it's supposed to be threaded, is broken and it's more of a "C" shape now. The previous owner used a couple of washers with a larger screw, to keep everything together, but it doesn't seem to work anymore, or it has anyway slipped up.

I'll try with some stronger velcro as soon as I have time to visit our "Ace" store, but if it doesn't work, I'll disconnect the strap as suggested.

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as for the fixing "clips" that should be next to the latches, I haven't seen them at all, the bottom liner seem to be totally free to move in that area.

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I love this bike, regardless of this little failures
I'm riding to work this week (40min. instead of 65min every morning and evening) and despite it's 2C I'm not feeling cold at all

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