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post #1 of 37 Old Jan 26th, 2009, 4:07 pm Thread Starter
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Front Brake Line Ruptured

Riding today about three blocks form home when I lost all brakes approaching a stop sign. Kept applying and they came back and it appeared both front and rear brakes were locked up. I managed to get them released by pushing the bike forward and back wards. Got home pulled it into the driveway and noticed brake fluid all over the ground. Had the bike towed to shop, ordered a set of Spiegler brake lines. Figured to get rid of all of the OEM lines, don't want to have this happen again, luckily my speeds were under 25 mph when it blew...
What I cant figure out is why the brakes locked up on the bike. To me that is not good at all, specially if you were traveling at say 50 mph. applied the brakes and the line ruptured and then have both brakes activate like that. The line that broke was the line coming down from the nose cone area prior to the brake caliper. Again just glad if its going to happen its a slow speeds and close to home.......

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Re: Front Brake Line Ruptured

Wow !

Glad you made it ok... That brake fluid can be some pretty slippery stuff...

I changed out the rear brake line on my 99 at the master cylinder with a steel line I had made up at the local Hydraulic line store. Cost about 20 bucks..

I'm sure those Spiegler's are good. Just not 4 prices good to me..
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That is where the line blew on my 00.
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I am just wondering if having the bend in the OEM line there and when the shocks moving up and down while riding creates a weak spot in the line.

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Re: Front Brake Line Ruptured

Fortunately this design defect is easy to remedy.

When my front brake line sprang a leak my brake didn't lock up.

Seems as if 2003 and older should replace those rubber lines.

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I am just wondering if having the bend in the OEM line there and when the shocks moving up and down while riding creates a weak spot in the line.
No doubt, and especially living in an ozone intensive state (sorry, sad but true) is a HUGE contributing factor to an unusual failure. I've NEVER heard of this before on an LT. Anyone else?

Ozone and rubber do not get along well.

Ozonolysis sucks.


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Ron I was a little surprised when I searched Speigler Brake Lines in the search in this forum to see others with blown lines. Some front some rear some up by the master cylinder. After reading numerous threads about the brake lines I think age might be one of the biggest factors in failures....

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Bill:

After getting your E-mail I went to the LT site and see that you're already on it.

Good luck. Please let us know the results.

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Last summer I had the brake line go out at the tee on the front forks were it splits off to the other side. I lost my front brakes completely I damn near wound up in the middle of the intersection before I got her stopped. The new replacement was $100 plus. That was the first repair that I had to do on her (k1200lt).
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Mine sprang a pin-leak on the front master cylinder line where it connects to the distribution block just below the handlebars. I figured it was from turning clear to the stop every time I took the key out.


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... it appeared both front and rear brakes were locked up. I managed to get them released by pushing the bike forward and back wards. ...
OK, could someone explain to me how a broken brake line causes the brakes to lock up? Something is not right.

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[QUOTE=rdwalker]OK, could someone explain to me how a broken brake line causes the brakes to lock up? Something is not right.[/QUOTE]

That was my question to the shop manager, he said he not sure why the brakes would have locked up either, but will dig deeper into that. So I am just waiting for an answer if one can be determined. He said its might have been possible that following the failure, it confused the abs pump and it began pressurizing the system.???????

I feel its one thing having the brake line rupture but an entirely different set of problems that could turn into a very hazardous situation...

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How much did the dealer charge to replace it ?.

Apparently the tank has to be removed to fit one end of the hose.
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How much did the dealer charge to replace it ?.

Apparently the tank has to be removed to fit one end of the hose.
The tank does not have to come off but all the body panels and both foot peg plates on the right side do. It's not a hard job just take a bit of time to do. I've done it 4 times and it takes about 6 to 8 hours to complete.

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How much did the dealer charge to replace it ?.

Apparently the tank has to be removed to fit one end of the hose.
I will post that when I get the bill, I am sure will only by a couple of dollars

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I just finished replacing all my brake lines as well as the throttle cables on my 99 LT this past weekend (NO SPARE PARTS!!! WOOHOO!!!). My front line split where the flex hose meets the shock assembly, and I'm sure it's because of the relative movement between the frame and the wheel. Looks like a really poor design, but then I have an older model, and the brake line was pretty rigid. I went ahead and spend the money for Spieglers and replace all of them (for that the tank does have to come off), because I only want to replace lines once. It was pretty easy, but really time-consuming -- about 10 hours or so total.

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Ok I said I would report back once the new Spiegler lines were installed.

Here is the cost break down for the R/R of the OEM lines from the dealer:

Replace front brake line: 3.5 hrs= $339.50
Replace rear brake line: 1.98 hrs= $192.06

The above mentioned included the brake flush. Incidentally I had the clutch fluid flushed while they had the bike dismantled for $48.50.

The Spiegler kit (S-BM0168) was $251.00

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I did notice that the there is a significant difference in the way the brakes perform now. They are not as harsh and much smoother during both an aggressive braking and under normal braking. On a scale from 1-10 I give them a 10 with the new lines and well worth the cost.

Now as far as the brakes stuck on after the rupture they still dont know why it happened. The more I thought about it I think it was just the rears that were stuck and then released after turning the key off taking the power assist away from the system. I wish I had some definitive answer for the this issue, but I dont think I will ever know why it occurred. I am not happy with the unknown, but I just hope that with these new lines I wont have to worry about it anymore....

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My front brake line ruptured couple weeks ago. Was the section of line that runs from the fork just above the brakes up into the fairing.
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By the way I am a new LT owner. This happend the second week I was riding the 2000 LT I just picked up...

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My front brake line ruptured couple weeks ago. Was the section of line that runs from the fork just above the brakes up into the fairing.
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By the way I am a new LT owner. This happend the second week I was riding the 2000 LT I just picked up...
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I am not sure that my wife would agree with you.
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For ALL riders who own a LT older then 5 years oild REPLACE YOUR BRAKE HOSES!!! Is your life worth a few hundred dollors?? YES !!
I would also recommend changing out the lines also.

And BIGH501 that was the same line that broke on mine.

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And BIGH501 that was the same line that broke on mine.
Yes I gathered that from your description. Mine went "slowly" though and no brake lock up. Brakes just got softer and softer over my ride to work...
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For ALL riders who own a LT older then 5 years old REPLACE YOUR BRAKE HOSES!!! Is your life worth a few hundred dollors?? YES !!

I've seldom heard of brake line ruptures on Japanese bikes. Especially not on anything that is only 5 years old. Not saying it doesn't happen on other bikes, but what did bmw do to spec such a limited life hose?

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dukey33, thats a good question. I have to say that every bike I have ever owned I have never replaced the brake lines. Hell for that matter how often have you replaced any brake lines in any automobile that you have owned. I usually keep my cars for about 10-15 years. Maybe they dont make the rubber lines like they used to.
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I've seldom heard of brake line ruptures on Japanese bikes. Especially not on anything that is only 5 years old. Not saying it doesn't happen on other bikes, but what did bmw do to spec such a limited life hose?

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My previous ride was a 2004 Yamaha FZ-6. I seem to remember the manual advised changing front and rear brake lines 5 years from date of manufacture. Sold the bike, new owner has the manual, so can't confirm this now.

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My 24 year old Toyota pickup has all original brake lines.
My 11 year old Honda Shadow has all original brake lines.

In fact, I can't recall ever having to change a ruptured brake line on any vehicle I owned. Last time I replaced a flex hose was on one of my brother's cars in high school and that was because the outer rubber jacket had cracked 360deg, but still there was no leakage.

Well, I guess there's a first time for everything.

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My 24 year old Toyota pickup has all original brake lines.
My 11 year old Honda Shadow has all original brake lines.

In fact, I can't recall ever having to change a ruptured brake line on any vehicle I owned. Last time I replaced a flex hose was on one of my brother's cars in high school and that was because the outer rubber jacket had cracked 360deg, but still there was no leakage.

Well, I guess there's a first time for everything.
Well, one of the biggest enemies of rubber is the sun. The brake lines on most cars are pretty well shielded from the sun. The lines on most bikes are not. Storing in a garage helps a lot, but when riding the rubber is still exposed to the UV.

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I would agree with that except that the line that broke was under the fairing and not really exposed to that much UV. I personally feel mine had more to do with the location of the bend. With each up and down motion of the front fork travel while rideing the hose just bends on every motion. I think thats what caused the weakness in the line, and it gave way....



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Well, one of the biggest enemies of rubber is the sun. The brake lines on most cars are pretty well shielded from the sun. The lines on most bikes are not. Storing in a garage helps a lot, but when riding the rubber is still exposed to the UV.

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The front rubber brake line that goes from the brake lever into the bowels of the beast cracked on my '02 right as I was starting to CCR09 this year. I was fortunate to have a mechanic who could jury rig a stainless line and get me on the road. Four days later at Bear Country the hose at the left calliper went. I had both front calliper hose replaced at Sturgis BMW. Now I'm weighing replacing all the lines with Spieglers including both the new BMW rubber ones, or just the line that is currently still jury rigged. Considering the time, effort and money to bleed out the system if another hose goes, I'll probably bit the bullet and go with the all stainless lines.

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My front brake line sprung a leak on my 2000 KLT, about a month after having the front lines replaced the rear went...
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I posted previously that my front right line ruptured this summer on a 02 LT. But get this I still have the original lines on my 77 Goldwing which I have owned since 81. I used Spiegler lines which look good and don't flex like the factory lines under pressure of the hydralic assist system.
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Hey, here's an NHTSA recall, number 09V256000 for 2007-2009 R1200 RT's, specifically about front brakes!!

"Due to routing and assembly tolerances of the front-brake lines, it is possible for the lines to be under strain. This, in combination with normal vibration during riding, could cause the brake lines to develop a leak. As a result, the fluid level in the front -brake reservoir could drop, rendering the front brakes inoperative. If only the rear brakes...blah blah crash burn
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Remedy: Dealers will install new front-brake lines with modified routing. Owners not receiving this free remedy can call BMW at 800/831-1117.

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I am not sure that my wife would agree with you.
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For ALL riders who own a LT older then 5 years old REPLACE YOUR BRAKE HOSES!!! Is your life worth a few hundred dollors?? YES !!
Ditto !!!
Did all of mine with the Spiegler kit took about 6 hours on an 02. Get it as a Christmas gift this year makes a good winter project.

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Ditto !!!
Did all of mine with the Spiegler kit took about 6 hours on an 02. Get it as a Christmas gift this year makes a good winter project.
Yep, will replace mine on the next ABS flush. Just another one of those "maintenance" items to keep the LT running smooth.

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The rubber brake lines on my 76 Suzuki where not leaking back in 1999 but they were blowing up like ballons. Once I replaced them she would stop again. Also they were more like the auto lines than the very thin BMW lines. That may have something to do with it as well.

The only comparison I will listen to is, "My OTHER BMW motorcycle never did that... " Comparing anything on this bike to a Toyota pick up is meaningless since the Toyota pick up can't do 62 in first gear (and survive). It can't corner like the LT, etc.

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Re: Front Brake Line Ruptured

Hi I had my rear line go out also ,going to replace the front this winter after hearing of all the problems with these . You have got to ask your self what is it worth ? Luckily I was only going slow and felt the brakes were not right ,Jon
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