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Cold weather comparison K-RT Vs K-LT

Just an interesting observation on the cold weather protection comparison between my two bikes.

Riding gear:
Helmet Shoei RF-1000
Jacket: First Gear Kilimanjaro w/liner
Pants: Darien Light
Gloves: Olypia Gore Tex Gauntlets (Not sure what model)

The 85 K100RT has a BMW shield with the foldable wings on the sides.

The 02 K1200LT has Aero-Flow shield. I adjusted the height of this shield so tha I can easily see over it while riding. Attempeted to set it very similar in height to the RT.

Ride distance 19.8 miles with 16 miles of 65 MPH roads.

Temperature was 30 - 32 degrees F on both days. Did NOT use heated grips or seat on the LT..

RT observations:
I get more wind tubulance on my hands, feet, and face shield. Hands got cold in less than 5 miles. With face shield helmet cracked a hare to prevent fogging I get far more wind which causes my eyes to water.

Feet where starting to get chilled at around 18 mile point.

LT observations:

While the hands and feet stayed warm over the whole ride by back was getting cold after ten miles. Face shield fogged less, not sure if this is because of less wind flow equals less temperature difference on the shield.

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Ride on ;-) I've done more winter riding here than when I lived in Denver or Salt Lake. Go figure, eh? Enjoy my little commute more with LT than any other BMW i've owned...90/6, 80/7, 1100S, 1150GS.
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Because of my location, cold weather riding is somewhat limited compared to your riding. However, when I do ride in the cold or rain I have found the pin lock fog system on the Shoei Multitec I have is worth every dime I paid for it. The only time I have had a problem with it is when I cleaned the face shield and did not properly replace the inner fog shield. If you are going to ride in the cold, you might want to look into one of these. Not cheap, but the one I have really works.

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I have a 1985 K100RT and a 1999 LTC. I just pick up the LTC a few months ago. The K100 is always warmer to ride except for my hands. I put a cee baily #2 with wings, standard height on the LTC and my hands seem to stay warmer but my legs always get chilled without protection in colder temps.
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Because of my location, cold weather riding is somewhat limited compared to your riding. However, when I do ride in the cold or rain I have found the pin lock fog system on the Shoei Multitec I have is worth every dime I paid for it. The only time I have had a problem with it is when I cleaned the face shield and did not properly replace the inner fog shield. If you are going to ride in the cold, you might want to look into one of these. Not cheap, but the one I have really works.
Can you provide a link for the "pin lock fog system on the Shoei Multitec" that you have? I'd be very interested since I'm growing tired of always cracking open the visor at stop lights.

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Can you provide a link for the "pin lock fog system on the Shoei Multitec" that you have? I'd be very interested since I'm growing tired of always cracking open the visor at stop lights.

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Go to the Shoei web site and look for helmet accessories for your helmet. They are listed there, well at least for my helmet anyway.


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The thing that made the biggest difference when riding in the cold was the heated vest. The heated seat and grips are nice, but they do little to keep your overall body temperature up. The vest keeps your whole body warm, since it warms your core, it flows to your hands and legs too. The grips keep the finger tips warm.
Def the best investment I ever made! It's a BMW heated vest - they sell them on ebay for about $120.
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+1 on the vest. it does work better than the seat at keeping you warm. i still use the heated grips any chance i can too. the gloves i have are a little thin so i can feel the heat from the grips so i get a little cool on the back side of the hand. good riding boots are a must at colder temps also. my kawasaki voyager was a little better at overall wind protection than the LT, but that was about the only thing it was better at.
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On my K100 ('85), I'm good to about 30F. No helmet fogging. Below that point, feet and hands start to feel the cold then moving up to the core (legs, arms, back, etc.). The LT is new to me, and the temp has not gotten down below 30 yet. However, with the same gear that I use for my K100, there is definitely more comfort on the LT, even without using the "heaters". I expect to see about a 10 degree capability differences (i.e. meaning that the LT should allow me to handle things down to about 20+).

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Re: Cold weather comparison K-RT Vs K-LT

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Can you provide a link for the "pin lock fog system on the Shoei Multitec" that you have? I'd be very interested since I'm growing tired of always cracking open the visor at stop lights.

Thanks,
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HERE is a link to the face shield section of the Shoei site. The Pinlock replacement shield and complete face shields with the system installed are available from many sources, including eBay, though the Pinlock-USA site only says they will be available here soon. There are models available for Arai, BMW, IXS, Lazer, Nolan, Schuberth, Shoei and X-Lite.

Pinlocks can be retrofitted to a variety of face shields. Universal Pinlock kits are hard to find in the US for whatever reason but are widely available in Europe. The Pinlock sites do not have any reference to the universal kit though I have found several sources in the UK. (HERE, HERE and HERE for example)

A good alternative to Pinlock is the Fog City product line which seems to be easier to find in the US. They both get good reviews.

I have one Shoei Syncrotec and two Multitec modular helmets and I have Pinlock shields in all of them. Living and riding year around in Seattle, they have certainly improved my view of the world.


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+1 on the vest. it does work better than the seat at keeping you warm. i still use the heated grips any chance i can too. the gloves i have are a little thin so i can feel the heat from the grips so i get a little cool on the back side of the hand. good riding boots are a must at colder temps also. my kawasaki voyager was a little better at overall wind protection than the LT, but that was about the only thing it was better at.
I had an 87 Voyager and I find the LT to have better wind and rain protection, particularly for my wife. One are though where I wish the LT was more like the Voyager is in storage space. The Voyager had the two compartments in the fairing and the two on top of the bag lids that were very convenient. The LT is a real pain with respect to storing small items like tire gauge, log book, glasses, CDs, etc.

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That stuff (and more) goes into my tank bag.

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Just an interesting observation on the cold weather protection comparison between my two bikes.

Riding gear:
Helmet Shoei RF-1000
Jacket: First Gear Kilimanjaro w/liner
Pants: Darien Light
Gloves: Olypia Gore Tex Gauntlets (Not sure what model)

The 85 K100RT has a BMW shield with the foldable wings on the sides.

The 02 K1200LT has Aero-Flow shield. I adjusted the height of this shield so tha I can easily see over it while riding. Attempeted to set it very similar in height to the RT.

Ride distance 19.8 miles with 16 miles of 65 MPH roads.

Temperature was 30 - 32 degrees F on both days. Did NOT use heated grips or seat on the LT..

RT observations:
I get more wind tubulance on my hands, feet, and face shield. Hands got cold in less than 5 miles. With face shield helmet cracked a hare to prevent fogging I get far more wind which causes my eyes to water.

Feet where starting to get chilled at around 18 mile point.

LT observations:

While the hands and feet stayed warm over the whole ride by back was getting cold after ten miles. Face shield fogged less, not sure if this is because of less wind flow equals less temperature difference on the shield.

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I try & ride all year long . I have ridden in -10c & colder on my LT on numerous occasions . I find my legs get a little cold . I also find the top of my hands get cold . I bought & have tested three fingered snowmobile gloves which seem to work well & still allow me to grip the handel bars safely . Other than that I dress in layers. I still prefer Fall riding in the 10 to 15C range . Sun in my face sunglasses on & shield up .
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If your riding in cold weather and you don't have a Gerbings heated jacket liner, (not vest but jacket) you are missing out. The Gerbings gear is tops and just think how great it will feel to also have your arms as warm as your torso. I've had several heated vests and believe me there is no comparison to a Gerbings heated jacket.

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That stuff (and more) goes into my tank bag.
Yea, I'm looking at tank bags for next season, but it is much nicer to have the hard covered and water proof cubbies that came standard on the Voyager.

Given that BMW finally learned how to put cup holders in their cars, they should be able to figure out storage compartments on their motorcycles! We're not talking rocket science here.

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