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I wanted to know how many people using a trailer behind the LT had FD failures, compared to those who did not use a trailer?
I think it will be interesting to see how this plays out, hopefully those who respond will be honest.
I would like to give the many who have experienced this problem the benefit of the doubt, but when you look at the failures that the LT had with the power center stand, it was found that the rider was at fault in the majority of the cases due to operating the stand while rider and sometimes passenger are still on the bike.
Often we utilize the machine far outside for which it was designed. The LT was not designed to pull a trailer, many might disagree but the fact is that it was not designed to do so.
When I pull my trailer, I do so knowing that this is outside of the normal factory design of my bike and I must assume responsibility if I am operating it in anyway other than which BMW designed it to be.

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Ok...now, back to the thread.....

Jack...
Does your comment mean that you do not agree with my thread?
That by placing extra stress on the drive train of the bike by towing a trailer could not lead to a premature FD failure or other drive train related areas as well?

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Jack...
Does your comment mean that you do not agree with my thread?
That by placing extra stress on the drive train of the bike by towing a trailer could not lead to a premature FD failure or other drive train related areas as well?

No, I think it means this has been asked many times before.

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I wanted to know how many people using a trailer behind the LT had FD failures, compared to those who did not use a trailer?
Trailers have NOTHING to do with the failures. There are GTs and GS'es out there failing, and none of them (that I've heard) have a trailer behind them.
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Jack...
Does your comment mean that you do not agree with my thread?
That by placing extra stress on the drive train of the bike by towing a trailer could not lead to a premature FD failure or other drive train related areas as well?
Two FDs toasted on ole Toad. One at 63k and the second at 117k. Never pulled a trailer.
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I wanted to know how many people using a trailer behind the LT had FD failures...The LT was not designed to pull a trailer, many might disagree but the fact is that it was not designed to do so.
I have a Bushtec Quantum trailer. When speaking with the owner of Bushtec, before purchasing, he told me a little story. BMW actually sent them the details and specifications of the yet to be released 1999 K1200LT, with the proviso Bushtec design a trailer hitch worthy of the new suspension system.

Well, they did. And it is a wonderful, tight system that actually uses the suspensions capabilities when pulling the trailer. No slop, no sway, increases traction and down-force when braking, etc.

I have only about 25,000 miles on my Bushtec but almost 70,000 miles on my FD. If BMW had not wanted the LT to pull trailers...why give out the specs?

Besides, it would have been the only 'Heavy Tourer' with no trailer support. Hell, even its predecessor, the K1100LT towed well.

I think you're a bit off the mark here.

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Re: FD Question...

My 2 cents: I don't think that pulling a trailer causes FD failures on the KLT. The drives that are destined to fail are gonna fail sooner or later, trailer or no trailer.

As far as Bushtec getting BMW design "details and specifications" from BMW before the release of the KLT in 1999, I think it is a LOT more likely that that is a Bushtec BS sales job than it is likey that BMW gave them said specifications. It just doesn't sound like BMW to me.

And whether or not pulling a trailer contributes to FD failures, as far as BMW is concerned it doesn't matter. They can and have denied warranty coverage of FD failures only because the bike pulled a trailer.


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I have a Bushtec Quantum trailer. When speaking with the owner of Bushtec, before purchasing, he told me a little story. BMW actually sent them the details and specifications of the yet to be released 1999 K1200LT, with the proviso Bushtec design a trailer hitch worthy of the new suspension system.

Well, they did. And it is a wonderful, tight system that actually uses the suspensions capabilities when pulling the trailer. No slop, no sway, increases traction and down-force when braking, etc.

I have only about 25,000 miles on my Bushtec but almost 70,000 miles on my FD. If BMW had not wanted the LT to pull trailers...why give out the specs?

Besides, it would have been the only 'Heavy Tourer' with no trailer support. Hell, even its predecessor, the K1100LT towed well.

I think you're a bit off the mark here.
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Charlie, your comment is more BS than Bushtec's...

You were not there my friend.

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Often we utilize the machine far outside for which it was designed.
The LT was not designed to pull a trailer,
many might disagree but the fact is that it was not designed to do so.
Next you'll be telling us (the fact) that the LT was designed to transport only
height/weight proportionate people and ......
anyone that "hauls" an overweight passenger or rider is using the machine
"far outside for which it was designed."

Why would "pulling a trailer" be any different
than hauling heavy people and gear on the bike itself?

Maybe you should ask: how many "overweight" people have had final drive failures?


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I am sure that MOST of the failed drives were on bikes that never pulled a trailer. I have been watching this since the LT web groups started.

I had one fail, and in over 100,000 miles I never pulled a trailer, and only rode 2 up probably less than 500 miles.

Besides, a trailer actually puts only a little extra weight on the rear of the bike, less than a rather small passenger would. Riding 2 up is worse than a trailer. Of course, most who pull a trailer are most often doing it while riding a passenger.

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Next you'll be telling us (the fact) that the LT was designed to transport only
height/weight proportionate people and ......
anyone that "hauls" an overweight passenger or rider is using the machine
"far outside for which it was designed."

Why would "pulling a trailer" be any different
than hauling heavy people and gear on the bike itself?

Maybe you should ask: how many "overweight" people have had final drive failures?
Kind of funny you should say that. I would tell people who wanted performance mods done to the bikes that if they lost some weight, they would gain about 10 HP!
Bottom line, you can make many comments about this but the truth is the truth, certain riding habits will cause a bike to, well, have certain problems that others may never experience.
Example: I rode very hard one day from Daytona to Tampa at over triple digits for most of the trip. A few days after that I would notice a metallic noise from the engine only while on the side stand. Long story short, it turned out to be the inner valve spring had broken due to the harmonics of the motor and stress from many a hard and high RPM running.
The fix: Went with triple spring valve springs made by S&S.
It's a machine you ride it long enough and hard enough it will break in time, so, fix it and ride it!

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Kind of funny you should say that. I would tell people who wanted performance mods done to the bikes that if they lost some weight, they would gain about 10 HP! !
Hahaha, I guess that could mean that if I got "height/weight proportionate" I could gain about 40 hp.
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it turned out to be the inner valve spring had broken due to the harmonics of the motor and stress from many a hard and high RPM running.
The fix: Went with triple spring valve springs made by S&S.
you didn't say it so its just a guess but it sure sounds like you're talking about a Harley
and breaking a valve spring caused by riding it hard
is not at all uncommon for that brand (yes I'm talking from experience)

The fact is the LT is designed for long distance and "high speed" touring,
I've run mine hard for days at a time two up and pulling a trailer
(in places like west Texas) and it just asks for more.


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