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post #1 of 28 Old Oct 16th, 2008, 6:20 pm Thread Starter
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Allow a test drive?

Heres a question for you all:

If you are trying to sell an LT and someone comes and looks at it, would you allow them to test-drive it? If they lay it down (and we all know how top heavy LT's are) then they could just walk away and we would have to pay to fix the damage.
On the other hand, why would anyone want to buy something they have not test driven?

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I guess it depends on what kind of bike they show up on...


You will have to use your judgement. I let a friend's, friend test drive a Kaw H2 and knew exactly how it was going to end as he drove off with the side stand still down. He didn't want to buy a wrecked bike. Never again unless he shows up in all the gear and an comparable sized bike.

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Re: Allow a test drive?

Cash in hand - Before - Ass in seat!

They put the full asking price in your pocket.
Then if they test drive it and crash...
Well it is their bike now isn't it?

However, if they don't like the ride, you give the money back.

That is the only policy.

I always state in my ads, No test flights.


Now a side story:
My brother was selling a Suzuki Telifona edition GSXR.
This guy shows up in a new Acura.
He asks to test ride the GSXR and my brother lets him...
The Acura was stolen and the guy dissapeared with the bike.
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+1 On the full price in hand, as well as them signing a waiver stating if they wreck it they either pay for repairs, or you keep the cash & they haul off the remains.
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Re: Allow a test drive?

Great advice, Mike.

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Cash in hand - Before - Ass in seat!
I didn't think much about it before buying my LT last July.... I KNEW I could ride... but frankly, after 20 years off the saddle, I didn't sleep much the night before I flew down to pick it up... ...and those shoulders along that country road--that first test ride--couldn't be far enough away....

I met the seller.. he offered a test ride (bike was still an hour away from our meeting point--his bank) I opted to pay him first... and ride later... I was naively confident of the bike's condition based on conversations with the owner and pictures.

I ended up being right about the bike....but, in retrospect, knowing what I know now having had the benefit of the sage advice present on this website...I would have expressed explicitly and have written in writing (endorsed by the seller) the condition of my turning over the cash: a satisfactory test ride AND transit home (300 mile ride) without mechanical problems; I think it would be appropriate to include a clause that reads, if I crashed the bike I own it, regardless of cause.

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Money talks, BS walks.

Do ALL the paperwork.... get it notarized... but dont' submit to the commies. Don't take no fake checks! American Express checks are one option... just call the to make sure they are legal.

Have him/her buy their OWN insurance before it leaves YOUR driveway... get the agent's phone and policy numbers.

Offer to FOLLOW and provide wisdom/ guidance/ assistance on the way to it's "new home".

If all goes well, the deal is done. If he breaks it, you can help him cry over it. If he loves it, you've both got new friends.

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Re: Allow a test drive?

I always tell them they must pay in full, then they can ride it. If they don't like it I'll return the cash upon the bikes safe return. This weeds out looky-lews too.

I would never guarantee anyone safe passage to their destination, but I always provide a written list of any known issues with the bike. Other issues are at buyers risk.

Lastly, these days I would not accept anything but cash. All types of MOs, cashiers checks and other bank instruments are being faked. Your bank will accept most of them, then several days later you find you've been taken. Even holding the title until it clears isn't good enough as once they have the bike, a thief could care less about a title as they will fake one of those to get rid of the bike asap. Sad but true.

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Re: Allow a test drive?

+1

Only take CASH.
If the buyer can provide a check, then they can get cash.

I have had people comment, "I don't want to travel with that much cash..."
My comment, "Well then don't I will find another buyer. Oh yeah, Make sure you bring hundreds. He is my favorite inventor."

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Re: Allow a test drive?

I recently purchased mine from a private seller - no test ride. I wouldn't even ask for a test ride as I would not allow it myself if I was selling it.

Inspect the bike thoroughly,and ask lots of questions. If you feel the seller is being the slightest bit deceptive - RUN!!!

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I must throw in a dissenting opinion. You would have to be crazy to bring $10K in cash to meet someone you don't know to take a test drive on a motorcycle.

Just think about that...you call someone on the phone to see something you may want to buy and they tell you to come with a handful of cash for the privilege of sitting on their precious bike for a few minutes?

Maybe I'm just funny that way, but I certainly would just hang up and move on to the next ad...


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I had a bank certified check...

Regardless, the major factor is trust. If you don't trust the seller, don't buy from them! It should be a pleasant experience all around.

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Thanks,
You guys always seem to astound and amaze me with your knowledge and wisdom!
Where were you guys when I was a teenager?!


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Re: Allow a test drive?

There is always the option of allowing the potential buyer to sit pillion while you drive. That way, the potential buyer gets an idea of how it runs, stops, handles, etc, without actually taking on the risk of dumping it.

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I must throw in a dissenting opinion. You would have to be crazy to bring $10K in cash to meet someone you don't know to take a test drive on a motorcycle.


All I can say is CWL...
Go with a friend, who will drive your car home.

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I agree not to allow a test ride, however I would take the buyer for a spin for however long they needed to see and feel how the bike handled and the condition of the overall engine etc. I sold by last bike, an 89 Venture to a gal who was very happy to go with me as a passenger and as soon as we arrived back to my garage, she said, I'll take it. After the money and insurance details were in place, she rode it home.
Many years ago I let the husband of a co-worker take a drive on my 70 Norton Commando Roadster. Big mistake, I told the ass**** to just go around the block but he decided to take a longer cruise. Half an hour later he phones our house to say he piled up my new bike. $1500. in damage. So now absolutely no one drives my bike. Dealers may decide to let bikes out for test drives, but not me!!!
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I bought mine used. After the check cleared, it was all mine. I would say no ride without cash in hand.
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I learned a lesson before I was legally old enough to drive. I was filling up my Mom's '68 Mustang whan a big 'ol Harley pulls in. The attendant (yeah, back then ya didn't have to fill your tank and they gave away stuff like water glasses and Tide...) asked if he could ride it "just around the the station lot". Dude couldn't turn it and slammed into the house next door. That image ALWAYS pops up when I'm asked if I'd turn over the reins.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by MikeERideWNC
My brother was selling a Suzuki Telifona edition GSXR.
This guy shows up in a new Acura.
He asks to test ride the GSXR and my brother lets him...
The Acura was stolen and the guy dissapeared with the bike.
Never to be seen again.
Seems like he should have ridden a stolen GSXR to test drive a the Acura.

There is another solution here. Just buy and sell to members on this list. Most of these guys have been around for years, and if something goes sour, you pretty much know how to find them later.

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Re: Allow a test drive?

buyer: How much do you want for the bike?

me: $12,000

buyer: I would need a test drive.

me: Certainly, all you have to do is leave a deposit.

buyer: How much is the deposit?

me: $12,000

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Wow, you guys are brutal - or I am naive.

My first BMW was purchased without test drive. Found out afterwards that it had a bent wheel and a warped rotor. No recourse.

Since then, I have test-ridden all subsequent 4 machines I bought. For most, I have traveled/flown hundreds of miles but I was prepared to drop the deal if I could not try the machine. And, from a buyer's perspective, I would not hand in $12K without getting the title - if you are so distrustful, what's the guarantee that I can get the cash back if I don't like the bike?

Conversely, every bike I sold was test-ridden as well. It's only fair.

I think that ultimately it comes down to some trust in people. If you have a bad feeling about the other party, do not allow a test ride. But on the other hand, if I cannot check out the bike, I know that I am not in a hurry - I can always find another.

YMMV.

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I'm not saying "drive away and deal is done". I would agree to ride bike to the mechanic of their choice if I can STAY with the bike and give them an hour to look it over.

If mechanic doesn't spot defects, tell the guy/gal... "ok, if you ride the bike less than 100 miles within 24 hours of doing the sale and decide you do NOT want it, I will take it back if it is not damaged." I offer to follow while they ride it... if they don't like it, I will give a refund and take the bike back.

yeah, a 100 miles seems like a lot, but I figure it's worth it in case of dispute.

Otherwise, take your chances.... or trade it in... or donate it to someone.

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To ask for the full purchase price in cash just to test ride will eliminate most buyers. Do you really want to sell it? I wouldn't do it. Like someone said earlier to show up at a stranger's house with a wad of cash is asking for disaster.

Get the potential buyer's MC insurance card and license and hold enough cash to cover the deductible. Not perfect but you should be OK.

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Before I bought the Stahlross, I spoke with the guy half an hour to find out about the bike. I made an offer and he offered the test ride. He wanted cash; discounted for the interest on the loan. Done deal in a week.

When I sold the Sporty, had a good half-hour talk with a potential buyer and he went for a ride. He didn't buy it, but lucky me, it all came back in one piece and I made a friend.

It depends on the relationship you establish as a potential buyer or seller.

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I've never done a test ride on any bike I have bought. I either knew the owner/bike or it was in warrantee and all I did was start it up. Even flew 1400 miles to pick up my '05 LT sight unseen.

Selling - another story cash in hand provisional purchase agreement signed protecting both parties 1st page of full agreement. Once accepted execute full purchase agreement.

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I always plan on spending plenty of time with a prospective purchaser before I sell a bike. I think it builds a level of confidence and trust with them that what you are selling is good stuff. Any defects are pointed out in advance. If he wants to buy it he must:

1. Pay in full in cash. Absolutely no checks of any kind - no American Express checks, no Bank checks, none. If he doesn't want to handle cash for security reasons a bank wire transfer is the only other option available for payment.

2. I give him a bill of sale dated, purchase price noted, VIN, signed by me. Also noted in capital letters: SOLD AS IS.

3. I always have the title signed and notarized prior to the sale so that I can give it to him on the spot. This is of course a document that must be kept in my home safe once notarized.

4. At this point it is his responsibility to make sure he has a motorcycle driver's license (if required) and insurance since HE NOW OWNS the bike!

I give him a written copy of this arrangement before he rides off that we both sign:

The motorcycle is now legally HIS and he may take a 30 minute test drive to decide if he wants to keep it. If he doesn't and returns it undamaged I give him his cash back, he gives me the title back, and I tear up the bill of sale. If he paid by wire transfer I reverse it. Any type of damage voids this agreement and there will be no refund given.

Most importantly I ALWAYS have a witness watching over the whole process, and I encourage the buyer to bring one as well.

Having sold about 30 used motorcycles this way I've never had any problems. I also bring along one of the bill marking pens to verify that the currency is real - $3.00 at your local office supply store.

What's the old Reagan saying.... Trust but verify.


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I always plan on spending plenty of time with a prospective purchaser before I sell a bike. I think it builds a level of confidence and trust with them that what you are selling is good stuff. Any defects are pointed out in advance. If he wants to buy it he must:

1. Pay in full in cash. Absolutely no checks of any kind - no American Express checks, no Bank checks, none. If he doesn't want to handle cash for security reasons a bank wire transfer is the only other option available for payment.

2. I give him a bill of sale dated, purchase price noted, VIN, signed by me. Also noted in capital letters: SOLD AS IS.

3. I always have the title signed and notarized prior to the sale so that I can give it to him on the spot. This is of course a document that must be kept in my home safe once notarized.

4. At this point it is his responsibility to make sure he has a motorcycle driver's license (if required) and insurance since HE NOW OWNS the bike!

I give him a written copy of this arrangement before he rides off that we both sign:

The motorcycle is now legally HIS and he may take a 30 minute test drive to decide if he wants to keep it. If he doesn't and returns it undamaged I give him his cash back, he gives me the title back, and I tear up the bill of sale. If he paid by wire transfer I reverse it. Any type of damage voids this agreement and there will be no refund given.

Most importantly I ALWAYS have a witness watching over the whole process, and I encourage the buyer to bring one as well.

Having sold about 30 used motorcycles this way I've never had any problems. I also bring along one of the bill marking pens to verify that the currency is real - $3.00 at your local office supply store.

What's the old Reagan saying.... Trust but verify.
Lotsa good sensible stuff here! Thanks, and unless you have a copyright on this, I'm keeping a copy of it in Word . . . just in case someone talks me out of the Stahlross.

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In this day and age it's difficult to trust people. With that being said you have to go with gut instinct.

I bought my LT from a forum member ( Big E ) this past February. I lurked around and looked at several bikes and then we emailed and spoke by phone. Flew down with a certified bank check and trusty sidearm. Then met one of the nicest guys I've ever met. Never test rode it because I knew all about the bike for two months before I bought it. He picked me up from the airport and I felt comfortable instantly. By the way, had some great Po'boys for lunch outside Baton Rouge. Haven't looked back yet.

It comes down to not trusting initially.....and taking time to do your research. I agree with most that I would have a difficult time allowing a test ride. Some say ask to hold on to their DL. I'm an officer and have had fake DL's fool me. Same goes for a check or credit card. The best option is to drive it to a mechanic of their choice and split the cost of the examination.

Other than that.............always trust the gut instinct.

I'm more than happy with my purchase and never test rode it.

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3. I always have the title signed and notarized prior to the sale so that I can give it to him on the spot. This is of course a document that must be kept in my home safe once notarized.

4. At this point it is his responsibility to make sure he has a motorcycle driver's license (if required) and insurance since HE NOW OWNS the bike!

I give him a written copy of this arrangement before he rides off that we both sign:

[i][b]The motorcycle is now legally HIS and he may take a 30 minute test drive to decide if he wants to keep it. If he doesn't and returns it undamaged I give him his cash back, he gives me the title back, and I tear up the bill of sale.
Couple of questions:
You've already signed over the title (even though it's in your pocket.) If he decides he doesn't want it, how what do you do about the title that's now in someone else's name?

I don't see a document that's referred to as "this arrangement."

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