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First: THIS IS NOT ANOTHER OIL THREAD. I've read those and they are very entertaining.

All you out there that change your own oil and don't buy "oil change kits" (ie you buy after market oils and filters): What do you do for the oil compartment O-ring and the drain plug crush washer? Do you reuse existing? If so, how many times? Or, do you buy just these parts somewhere else?

I am preparing for a 6k and want to stock up on the oil change parts and I looking for the best DIY advise here.
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First: THIS IS NOT ANOTHER OIL THREAD. I've read those and they are very entertaining.

All you out there that change your own oil and don't buy "oil change kits" (ie you buy after market oils and filters): What do you do for the oil compartment O-ring and the drain plug crush washer? Do you reuse existing? If so, how many times? Or, do you buy just these parts somewhere else?

I am preparing for a 6k and want to stock up on the oil change parts and I looking for the best DIY advise here.
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I haven't had any problem re-using a few times but check this out .... not really any need to re-use.
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I have bought mine from the dealer. I change the chrush washer each time. The o ring I get 5 or 6 times( I take it out and clean a re lube it each time).
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A related question - since BMW oil just went up to $9/qt. any recommendations on alternative oil to use. Thanks.
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BMW part #11 00 2 300 053 gets you an oil change kit. Included is a filter, the o-ring and a couple of crush washers, only 1 of which you will use.

Now here is my thoughs on using a factory filter. First of all, my LT is the only vehicle/engine I have that gets a factory filter, all else gets a NAPA or a WIX. The closest dealer is Charlotte. They are great folks and its nice to ride out there late on a nice Staurday morning, buy a filter kit, rub elbows with some fellow BMW riders, see whats new, socialize a little, tell Mark (the owner) the latest joke and have a hot dog and a drink and go for a ride. Have no idea what the price of the filter is, doesn't really matter.

Oil, I usually stock up by buying a carton of some good synthetic, Mobile 1 or Royal Purple and change it every 3k or so.

I'm one of those folks that change the oil by draing through the drain plug instead of leaving it in and dropping the filter cover.

That reminds me, about time to change oil in the transmission and the FD one of these days soon, another excuse to take a ride and get a quart, think 1 will fill both but will look in the manual and see.

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http://www.bmwlt.com/forums/showthre...ght=Oil+engine

At the top of the thread page are headings, one of which is Search. Click on it and type in Engine Oil

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A related question - since BMW oil just went up to $9/qt. any recommendations on alternative oil to use. Thanks.
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Which alternatives to oil are you considering?

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where the hell is the nut to drain gearbox oil
and place to fill it again
this is still a mystery to me
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I bought my filters at Rock Auto for something like $3.50 each and my O-rings and crush washers from BeemerBoneyard.

For the cost of one kit from BMW, I got almost three similar kits.

While I agree that we should be supporting our dealers and pay slightly more for silly things like oil change kits to help them stay in business, since the dealer network by me doesn't exist, I have to be a little more creative.

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OK. So, if a painted FRAM filter with a sticker you have to remove costs you $3.50... I assume you pay postage... let's say a buck. That's $4.50. Then you have to buy washerrs elsewhere. I don't know what they cost so I'll say $2.00 + postage of a buck. You've just spent $7.50 becausae you don't want to spend $8- $9 on a BMW oil filter kit.

Well, you saved $0.50 to $4.00, depending on whether you mail ordered stuff. Well, that makes perfect sense to me, cause now you can buy a bottle of water ($1.00 liter= $4.00 a gallon) next time you're riding and complain about gas being $3.85...

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OK. So, if a painted FRAM filter with a sticker you have to remove costs you $3.50... I assume you pay postage... let's say a buck. That's $4.50. Then you have to buy washerrs elsewhere. I don't know what they cost so I'll say $2.00 + postage of a buck. You've just spent $7.50 becausae you don't want to spend $8- $9 on a BMW oil filter kit.

Well, you saved $0.50 to $4.00, depending on whether you mail ordered stuff. Well, that makes perfect sense to me, cause now you can buy a bottle of water ($1.00 liter= $4.00 a gallon) next time you're riding and complain about gas being $3.85...

Just sayin...
Last time I bought a filter kit at the dealer I think it was closer to $15. You don't need to take out the drain plug either, if you read the other threads. So, only cost I have is the filter.

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7.50 vs. 15 plus shipping making it closer to 18-20 bucks per change.

Yup....saved over 10 bucks = more money for gas and farkles.

You're basically throwing $17 away everytime you change the oil.

Throw away 17 bucks or 7.50....Hmmmmmm........

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OK. So, if a painted FRAM filter with a sticker you have to remove costs you $3.50... I assume you pay postage... let's say a buck. That's $4.50. Then you have to buy washerrs elsewhere. I don't know what they cost so I'll say $2.00 + postage of a buck. You've just spent $7.50 becausae you don't want to spend $8- $9 on a BMW oil filter kit.

Well, you saved $0.50 to $4.00, depending on whether you mail ordered stuff. Well, that makes perfect sense to me, cause now you can buy a bottle of water ($1.00 liter= $4.00 a gallon) next time you're riding and complain about gas being $3.85...

Just sayin...
I'd be more concerned with a flake of paint coming off the painted filter and clogging an oil passage than I would be about the cost of the filter. That cost would far overwhelm any savings incurred on the filters...

Putting a spin-on filter inside the sump is an idea that is beyond stupid. Every other engine maker I know uses cartridge filters for inside the sump applications and spin-ons for external use. I can't begin to imagine what BMW was thinking when they did this design.

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There is an alternative if you don't want to be dealing with the crush washer on the drain bolt. Don't use it. This usually gets mentioned at some point in these threads, but instead of draining the oil from the drain bolt, drain it out of the oil filter housing. There are three bolts there. Take out two (the O-ring should keep it sealed with the third bolt, or you can keep it sealed with a hand). Then loosen the third bolt and the oil will start draining out. Voila, never touch the drain bolt again.

As was mentioned before, you can re-use the O-ring several times. Remember to always check it, and to keep an extra on hand.

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I did that my first oil change. Try reaching up through the filter hole when the engine is nice and cool. There is a bit of oil remaining that would have drained through the drain plug. It may not be much but over time that's where the sludge and crap will be hiding. It's not hard to pull the drain plug; washers and O-rings can be reused several times (according to my mechanic).

Just my 02 cents worth.

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I use them over & over. So far no problems. I have spares on hand just in case.

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Since my '05 (new to me earlier this summer) only has 6k miles, I'm not ready to consider "alternatives to oil". After this change and likely another, I'll be considering either Red Line or Mobil 1 I suppose...but this thread aint about that
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Forget replacing the o-rings. Keep the oring on, but buy a tube of gasket maker. $5 at any auto-store, and the tube will last you for a dozen oil changes. It works as good as a gasket. And you can use it on the filter case and the drain plug.

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I did that my first oil change. Try reaching up through the filter hole when the engine is nice and cool. There is a bit of oil remaining that would have drained through the drain plug. It may not be much but over time that's where the sludge and crap will be hiding. It's not hard to pull the drain plug; washers and O-rings can be reused several times (according to my mechanic).

Just my 02 cents worth.

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I just wipe it out with paper towels. that gets more of the crud out than just using the drain plug (which I don't).

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Speaking of DIYers,
I recently purchased a 7 yearold LT. The original owner did not know what grade or type of oil was used because the Dealer did everything. Trust me, I looked at some of those service receipts and gasp with getting oxygen back in my lungs. I called the dealer and asked if they could tell me what grade, weight of oil was used. They knew the bike immediately. 20w-50 said the service manager,, and OHH, be VERY CERTAIN you use motorcycle oil. I thought for minute then wanted to ask if they could put winter air in my tires before storage this November... Only reason I didnt is because they are the only game in town for BMW service... Minneapolis, MN.

Went with Gastrol syn-blend, 20w-50 $13; Filter $6. Hey, I'm not mechanical but stupidity is no excuse for not taking responsibility.


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I buy aftermarket oil and filters and do the stuff that I can myself. I followed the excellent procedure I found on this site and had no problems. That article recommended draining from the filter and reusing o-rings and crush washers which I also did. No problems so far.

Each time I read a thread about "supporting your local dealer..." by buying your parts there, such as oil, filters etc., i can't help but think they would appreciate your support even more if you would have them do your service work too. Or is that too much "support"? Know what I'm sayin'?

I am lucky to be about 2mi from a bmw dealer I like, and about 3 mi from a couple of different aftermarket shops which I also like. Since they specialize in parts, not bike sales, I like to support them too.

Bigger jobs I take to the dealer and have been happy with their work.

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Any testimonies regarding this Quick Change product: http://www.cyclegadgets.com/Products...ct.asp?item=QC
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I have this or similar on my p/u. Now that you pointed it out, it will be on both of my bikes. And the LT if I get one. Unless there is someone out there that can give me a reason not to.

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I just wipe it out with paper towels. that gets more of the crud out than just using the drain plug (which I don't).
Whatever works for you. My (Bimmer mechanic) says some of the new cars don't have drain plugs at all for rear diffs, etc.
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Apparently my dealer wasn't so kind. I paid $22.49 for the filter, $3.29 for the O ring, $.75 for the gasket and $11.47/quart ($45.88 for 4 quarts) of 07-51-0-412-040 oil. Yup - $72.41 to change my own oil. Having read many threads about oil changes since, it will be quite a bit less expensive next time.
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I reuse the aluminum crankcase drain washer - but put a thin layer of Permatex (#2 or 3 as I recall) on it before reinstalling it.
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A friend of mine told me , he was told at the BMW factory motorcycle school . The crush washers were used to keep people from ripping the threads out of the oil pan , transmission , & especially the final drive . . You put on a new crush washer , then tighten the drain plug something like 1/3 turn after it makes contact . The plug will then be torqued to the range that it is to be set at . You can not do that with a used crush washer .... You can use a used crush washer , but you need to use a torque wrench .

He told me this back in the early '80's , so it is a little fuzzy in my memory .

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