BMW Quality - BMW Luxury Touring Community
 
LinkBack Thread Tools
Old Sep 8th, 2008, 1:10 pm Thread Starter
Junior Member
 
rdhoover's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Charlotte, NC, USA
Posts: 11
BMW Quality

I have not seen anyone comment on this article where BMW admits a decline of quality in their bikes.
From reading post on this site i think they are just admitting what most of us already knew.

link to
http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/Ne...?&R=EPI-102625

RD
08 Biarritz Blue
BMW
To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

MOA 139726
rdhoover is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
Old Sep 8th, 2008, 1:20 pm
Member
 
MidnightBarbecue's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Ravenna, MI, USA
Posts: 77
Re: BMW Quality

I feel like I missed the boat. Have been hearing about BMW quality for many years but could never afford one. Finally got one 1½ years ago and NOW I hear about all the problems I can expect.

Haven't had too many quality issues yet but feel like it's only a matter of time.
MidnightBarbecue is offline  
Old Sep 8th, 2008, 3:24 pm
Senior Member
 
CharlieVT's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2002
Location: The Deep South of Vermont
Posts: 4,395
Re: BMW Quality

Sloppyness on the assembly line and in manufacturing plants.

A rather old article, but one which points to the labor problems associated with reunification of East and West Germany. I wonder how many former East Germans are working the BMW assembly lines:

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpag...rssnyt&emc=rss

If you Google, you can find lots of articles about the impact of a labor force which grew up in a socialized system integrating into a productive business economy. In short, it hurts. Some guy who grew up in a welfare state, gets a job assembling final drives. "Hey", he thinks: "I can do this quicker n' better than the way they're tellin me to do it." So he does the assembly his "new and improved" way, and no one finds out about it until the drives start failing.

I could go on about capitalism versus socialism, and what social system serves humanity best, but I don't want to start another political thread. (See the Chit Chat board for that).

I think the BMW engineering is really good. But, that engineering requires meticulous execution on the assembly line. To borrow an old Navy adage, the assembly process isn't "Sailor Proof"; and I suspect there are labor problems.
CharlieVT is offline  
 
Old Sep 8th, 2008, 4:18 pm
Senior Member
 
MattKas's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: San Clemente, CA, USA
Posts: 1,185
Re: BMW Quality

I do not think BMW has quality issues.
BMW has reliability (quality over time) issues.


Quote:
Originally Posted by rdhoover
I have not seen anyone comment on this article where BMW admits a decline of quality in their bikes.
From reading post on this site i think they are just admitting what most of us already knew.

link to
http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/Ne...?&R=EPI-102625

Matt Kas

13 Triumph Trophy SE Lunar Silver
12 Suzuki Burgman 650 Executive Pearl White

Laguna Niguel, Southern California (South Orange County)
"Riding Year around"

To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
MattKas is offline  
Old Sep 8th, 2008, 5:10 pm
Senior Member
 
MikeERideWNC's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Murphy, NC, USA
Posts: 793
Re: BMW Quality

Knock on Wood...

My 2002 LT has been reasonably reliable. Just minor issues which were easily resolved.
I think that a website like this truly brings out the b1tchiness in folks.
More people will always complain than compliment.

As a one time BMW owner, I have learned a lot about my LT and other BMWs in general.
I have already come to the conclusion that I will not own another BMW once my LT sells.
There are so many other bikes that will do the same thing or better than a BMW for less money and have local shops to service them.

Visit
To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
_ Why is there never enough time to do it right the first time, but always enough time to do it over?
MikeERideWNC is offline  
Old Sep 8th, 2008, 6:27 pm
Senior Member
 
STARFIGHTER's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Hot Springs Village, AR, USA
Posts: 1,561
Re: BMW Quality

Wish I had my R100RT back.....
I could put new rings in, in a motel parking lot.

Allan..Illinois, Oregon, Arkansas, and tomorrow the Universe
2003 K1200LT trike - Starfighter
2004 R1150RTP - Combat Touring
IBA #38152
BMW-MOA 97667
Patriot Guard Riders
...and man of leisure


To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
STARFIGHTER is offline  
Old Sep 8th, 2008, 6:37 pm
Senior Member
 
Wolfgang's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2002
Location: Budapest, Hungary
Posts: 2,269
Re: BMW Quality

Quote:
Originally Posted by CharlieVT
A rather old article, but one which points to the labor problems associated with reunification of East and West Germany. I wonder how many former East Germans are working the BMW assembly lines:

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpag...rssnyt&emc=rss

If you Google, you can find lots of articles about the impact of a labor force which grew up in a socialized system integrating into a productive business economy. In short, it hurts. Some guy who grew up in a welfare state, gets a job assembling final drives. "Hey", he thinks: "I can do this quicker n' better than the way they're tellin me to do it." So he does the assembly his "new and improved" way, and no one finds out about it until the drives start failing.

I could go on about capitalism versus socialism, and what social system serves humanity best, but I don't want to start another political thread. (See the Chit Chat board for that).

.
I used to travel to the former East Germany as a truck driver under the old regime. As the saying goes: The proof is in the pudding. It was a dreadful place. The quality of industrial products was dismal. Some of that culture will take a generation to overcome. In short: I agree with your observation.

Wolfgang

K1200LT 1999 Champaign SOLD
R1100RS 1994 Teal SOLD
R1150RT 2003 Blue (Sold)
R1100RT 1997 Blue


Pest, Budapest Hungary

"Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness."
Mark Twain

Wolfgang is offline  
Old Sep 8th, 2008, 6:41 pm
Senior Member
 
Wolfgang's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2002
Location: Budapest, Hungary
Posts: 2,269
Re: BMW Quality

Quote:
Originally Posted by STARFIGHTER
Wish I had my R100RT back.....
I could put new rings in, in a motel parking lot.
Me too. Stupid me sold mine for 4,000 in 1998. It seemed like I hit a home run. I bet that bike is still worth 4k today and he spend less than $1,000 to maintain it.

Wolfgang

K1200LT 1999 Champaign SOLD
R1100RS 1994 Teal SOLD
R1150RT 2003 Blue (Sold)
R1100RT 1997 Blue


Pest, Budapest Hungary

"Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness."
Mark Twain

Wolfgang is offline  
Old Sep 8th, 2008, 6:52 pm
Senior Member
 
NCrider's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Raleigh-ish, NC, USA
Posts: 619
Re: BMW Quality

BMW has quality issues. A rear main seal (indicating a final drive failure) at 6500 miles is a quality problem.

I've been unfortunate enough to have 2 failures on 2 different K12's. Thought I might get lucky since I've already had one. No rhyme or reason. I wish major media would take this up and run with it.

Not bashin em, just pointing out it is as big a problem as some suggest.
NCrider is offline  
Old Sep 8th, 2008, 8:30 pm
Senior Member
 
wacolt's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Waco, TX, USA
Posts: 809
Re: BMW Quality

I bought my '99 LT in February 2007 with 18k miles; now has 39k and have not had any trouble. No clutch issues, no FD issues, just no issues.

Took my bride to AR this weekend for an 800-mile plus round trip; her first ride on any bike. Took me 1.5 years to get her on the bike and it went great! Glad I could share the ride with her!

I'm happy with the quality and, more so, happy with the reliability!

Avatar credit: Curtis Callaway, 2009
Rider of Stahlross
1999 Basalt Grey LT
2001 Classic Red Ducati 748
wacolt is offline  
Old Sep 11th, 2008, 7:41 am
Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Bedminster, NJ, US
Posts: 61
Re: BMW Quality

I hate to agree with this article, I just took my 02 LT in for an oil leak, not sure what it is yet but most likely a seal somewhere. Clutch was slipping and this fix is going to cost me. Even though I have read about this issue over and over again along with FD failures, the dealer insists these two issues don't really exist and that it is unusual. As much as I like the bike, it will be my last BMW.
schwabee is offline  
 

Quick Reply
Message:
Options

Register Now



In order to be able to post messages on the BMW Luxury Touring Community forums, you must first register.
Please enter your desired user name, your email address and other required details in the form below.

User Name:
Password
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.

Password:


Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter a valid email address for yourself.

Email Address:
OR

Log-in









Thread Tools



Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
BMW Recall- 2007 Models RVB1019 Bike Talk 3 Nov 9th, 2011 8:04 pm
BMW shops, Ft Myers BMW BMWWANDRR Dealer Experiences 2 Apr 5th, 2009 11:36 am
Thursday is BMW day at the Reunion! Randy Curve Cowboy Reunion 0 Jun 24th, 2008 5:36 pm
Press release: BMW Navigator III will arrive in April 2006 ®win GPS 18 Feb 12th, 2008 8:18 pm
UK to develop BMW techs Bayliner2052 Chit Chat 2 Dec 14th, 2005 6:47 pm

Posting Rules  
You may post new threads
You may post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On

 
For the best viewing experience please update your browser to Google Chrome