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post #1 of 9 Old Aug 26th, 2008, 8:25 am Thread Starter
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Question FD failures are for what years?

Hi All;

Great site for information.

I have a 93 K1100 lt and this model is almost bullet proof!!!

I was thinking of getting a 2005 or 2006 LT but I am starting to get a little scared with this possible purchase based on all the info on the FD failures!!!

Wondering what years are the worst to get and which years are the best ( least amount of FD failures?)

I lookeed though the FD registry and I do see a few 2005's and 2006's also.

How long has this problem been going on? seems like at least 6 to 7 years since the launch of the 1200 lt.

I have found a few 2005's at good prices with low miles but I am still scared!!!

I love the 1100 lt, but its now 13 years old and I think its time!!

Any help convincing me would be appreciated!!!

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Re: FD failures are for what years?

Don,
I ride an 03 and I am a 96 percenter. Final drive failure is not a major concern for me. While I think about it, I am not obsessed with it. If it fails, I have roadside assistance and a cell phone.

I love the ride and the comfort that this remarkable machine offers. I maintain the bike largely myself. I change the fluids as recommended and will ride the heck out of it until a new machine catches my eye.

I have always had concerns about the lack of dealer support in the area where I live (NJ). But even that has been overcome through a local bike mechanic that I now trust and learn a lot from.

So keep the final drive issue in perspective. Test ride the bike and buy the bike if it catches your eye.

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Re: FD failures are for what years?

Bowdon,

If you are worried about the final drive just buy a spare one off Ebay for $400 and consider it part of the cost of the new bike. If you ever have a failure you'll have a spare to replace it immediately.

I think the biggest problem is the inconvenience of having a failure and also the potential expense for hotels, towing, rental car, etc. If you have one ready to go it eliminates the hassle if something does go wrong. Worst case, if you have a failure and the dealer can't find one, there is usually someone here that would be willing to loan you a spare and overnight it to wherever you are.

I think the '99s were the worst and since '03 the drives have been considerably better but not perfect.

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Re: FD failures are for what years?

Most of the LT failures occur with model years 1999 - 2002. This is where the 4% number comes from - it was calculated year end 2002 based upon the known failures to date back then.

The 2003 & 2004's have had the least failures. There have been a few failures for models 2005+, but nothing as compared to what was failing for model years 1999 - 2002. The most recent LT failures posted over the last few days were all 1999 - 2002's.

I think there have been more non-LT failures (specifically GS, RT, & GT) commencing w/ the 2006 model year.

Post 2002, LT failures are virtually nil - so I wouldn't worry about it, however, if buying used I would insist on seeing all maintenance records.

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My 2002 LT has never had a FD failure in 110,000 miles.
Hi Dave - just curious -do you remember your build date? IIRC, it was estimated the bearing change occurred around May 2002, so the model 2002 LT's built post May 2002 had a better chance of not failing.

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Most of the LT failures occur with model years 1999 - 2002. This is where the 4% number comes from - it was calculated year end 2002 based upon the known failures to date back then.

The 2003 & 2004's have had the least failures. There have been a few failures for models 2005+, but nothing as compared to what was failing for model years 1999 - 2002. The most recent LT failures posted over the last few days were all 1999 - 2002's.

I think there have been more non-LT failures (specifically GS, RT, & GT) commencing w/ the 2006 model year.

Post 2002, LT failures are virtually nil - so I wouldn't worry about it, however, if buying used I would insist on seeing all maintenance records.

Perhaps I'm being too pragmatic here, but wouldn't it stand to reason that newer bikes (less miles) will have the fewest failures? Not due to some mysterious (and unverified) change in build or engineering?

I love this site, but I think we may too frequently accept our small sampling as the rule on these topics.

Just my .02


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Perhaps I'm being too pragmatic here, but wouldn't it stand to reason that newer bikes (less miles) will have the fewest failures? Not due to some mysterious (and unverified) change in build or engineering?

I love this site, but I think we may too frequently accept our small sampling as the rule on these topics.

Just my .02
Brian -

Around May 2002, the LT bearings changed from a 19-ball to a 17-ball. This is fact. Also, during 2002, the 1999's would be approx 3 years old, the 2000's would be 2 years old, etc....At the end of 2002 there were roughly 270 reported LT failures of these 3 model years.

Similarly, we are now in 2008, so the 2003's would be 5 years old, the 2004's 4 years old etc...There have not been 270 reported LT failures (I don't think there has been 20) of 2003's, 2004's, 2005's 2006's 2007's and 2008's COMBINED over the last 5 years.

Virtually every time a failure is reported, it is a model 2002 or earlier, regardless of whether it is reported now or back in 2003 or earlier.

When I bought my 2003 new in July 2003 this was a very hot topic, and I have followed it closely ever since. I truly belive the "best" LT's are model years 2003 - 2004, which is right after the initial bearing chang and before they were changed again around 2005.

Granted, since BMW doesn't release failure stats there is really no way to tell. The only sources are what is reported on this board and the NHTSA.

However, based upon what has been reported on this site, IMHO it is safe to say that you will greatly reduce your chances of rear-drive failure with a model 2003 or newer.

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Brian -

Around May 2002, the LT bearings changed from a 19-ball to a 17-ball. This is fact. Also, during 2002, the 1999's would be approx 3 years old, the 2000's would be 2 years old, etc....At the end of 2002 there were roughly 270 reported LT failures of these 3 model years.

Am I correct in what I have read here that 17 ball FD units were then later changed back to 19 ball? If so, why no sudden increase in failures? Do you have any sales data to compare the number of bikes on the road from any given model year? If not, the number of reported failures is meaningless.

Similarly, we are now in 2008, so the 2003's would be 5 years old, the 2004's 4 years old etc...There have not been 270 reported LT failures (I don't think there has been 20) of 2003's, 2004's, 2005's 2006's 2007's and 2008's COMBINED over the last 5 years.

I stand by my point above

Virtually every time a failure is reported, it is a model 2002 or earlier, regardless of whether it is reported now or back in 2003 or earlier.

When I bought my 2003 new in July 2003 this was a very hot topic, and I have followed it closely ever since. I truly belive the "best" LT's are model years 2003 - 2004, which is right after the initial bearing chang and before they were changed again around 2005.


Granted, since BMW doesn't release failure stats there is really no way to tell. The only sources are what is reported on this board and the NHTSA.

However, based upon what has been reported on this site, IMHO it is safe to say that you will greatly reduce your chances of rear-drive failure with a model 2003 or newer.
Basing any decision on the extremely limited sample provided by this boad and without real statistacal data to back it up may help you sleep better at night, but has little foundation in reality.

I'm sure your advice is well-meaning, but you are serving only to perpetuate myth and rumor.


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Basing any decision on the extremely limited sample provided by this boad and without real statistacal data to back it up may help you sleep better at night, but has little foundation in reality.

I'm sure your advice is well-meaning, but you are serving only to perpetuate myth and rumor.
Whatever. Use "search" to answer your questions regarding sales data or any other questions related to his topic - it's all been posted before.

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