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I had the joy this morning of my first spill while gassing the bike. It seems that the back pressure did not shut off the pump and I had a guyser of gas for a second until I shut it off manually.

Now I begin to wonder about the canisterectomy as I read somewhere this the overfill is what brings on the collapsing gas tank. So, is it time to do the procedure?

I did notice that a lot of gas ran out of the rear hose - maybe it was already done? Or is that normal behavior for a stock bike?
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Re: %%$(#* Gas Pumps!

The canister is connected to the tank, whereas the overspill cuff, around the fill hole, has a tube running down to about where the center stand is. That's probably where the leakage you noticed had come from.

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I too wonder if mine is there or not. Does anyone have a photo of where this can is, or was?

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I too wonder if mine is there or not. Does anyone have a photo of where this can is, or was?

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It's fastened under the pillion and looks like a smaller version of a pop can that has 2 hoses attached to it. There's a picture of it in the BMW LT manual.

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its under the rear trunk,,2 hoses running in 1 out
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its under the rear trunk,,2 hoses running in 1 out
Yep, that is correct. You can detect if the canister is there or if the tubes have been rerouted to bypass the canister by just removing the pillion seat.
I did the reroute procedure with just the seat removed. When I decide on what to do with the resultant space, I will remove the canister. It's far easier to remove the seat than the trunk, IMHO.

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Re: %%$(#* Gas Pumps!

Five minutes to pop the rear seat, and no need to even cut the hoses. I was way too over zealous in my desire to disconnect the cannister tubing.....it would have been a much cleaner job, and is easy to reverse if for some reason you would want to, leaving what is there.

There are existing splices in the hoses. Plug the left side looking rear to front, and put the other hose as far down along side the rear of the battery, without having it hit the tire.

I did rip off the hot wire for the heated rear seat, not knowing that was routed in back, so may want to be aware of that.
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I had the joy this morning of my first spill while gassing the bike. It seems that the back pressure did not shut off the pump and I had a guyser of gas for a second until I shut it off manually.

Now I begin to wonder about the canisterectomy as I read somewhere this the overfill is what brings on the collapsing gas tank. So, is it time to do the procedure?

I did notice that a lot of gas ran out of the rear hose - maybe it was already done? Or is that normal behavior for a stock bike?
Happened to me a few months ago boy what a mess. I had no problem with the canister. I was worried that it would start a fire as it ran down the side of my bike. I am even more careful now when I fillerup

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I had the joy this morning of my first spill while gassing the bike. It seems that the back pressure did not shut off the pump and I had a guyser of gas for a second until I shut it off manually.

Wow, that's too bad.......
In my 30+ years of riding I have NEVER allowed a gas pump to run any way other than manually with my eyes looking down into the fill neck while gassing up a motorcycle. Just my method of filling up.

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Wow, that's too bad.......
In my 30+ years of riding I have NEVER allowed a gas pump to run any way other than manually with my eyes looking down into the fill neck while gassing up a motorcycle. Just my method of filling up.
I second that method of filling...I also don't fill while sitting on the bike...I have heard that gas will not ignite from the hot exhaust & I don't plan on experimenting to find out..I'll leave that to Myth Busters...Even when filling my car, I have it on the slowest setting, just in case...At work we have 3 pumps & all of them have that metal tab removed.

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At work we have 3 pumps & all of them have that metal tab removed.
I just hate that, taking a perfectly good nozzle and removing the metal tabs. I guess that is why they make the gas caps a certain size so that you can jam it in the handle! The only thing with that is that you can only get the pump to run half the speed, unless you are really good at jamming the cap in the handle (LOL).

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Wow, that's too bad.......
In my 30+ years of riding I have NEVER allowed a gas pump to run any way other than manually with my eyes looking down into the fill neck while gassing up a motorcycle. Just my method of filling up.

Too clarify I also always fill my vehicles manually. The time the spill happened the pump handle would not shut off, it stuck with out the auto shut off. I went inside to let them know and was told "oh ya we know about it" that was the last time I used that particular station.

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I just hate that, taking a perfectly good nozzle and removing the metal tabs. I guess that is why they make the gas caps a certain size so that you can jam it in the handle! The only thing with that is that you can only get the pump to run half the speed, unless you are really good at jamming the cap in the handle (LOL).
I work at a school bus company with 90+ drivers & some of them not the brightest when it comes to mechanical things...with the tab thingy removed they hold the handle on at full blast & let go when diesel fuel puchs back at them making a mess on the bus & ground...since everyone is assigned a bus, you can tell who does it...I have mentioned to them it seems to be counter productive with the thingy tab removed, but they say with their method someone is standing by the pump in case of an emergency...Management knows best.

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I work at a school bus company with 90+ drivers & some of them not the brightest when it comes to mechanical things...with the tab thingy removed they hold the handle on at full blast & let go when diesel fuel puchs back at them making a mess on the bus & ground...since everyone is assigned a bus, you can tell who does it...I have mentioned to them it seems to be counter productive with the thingy tab removed, but they say with their method someone is standing by the pump in case of an emergency...Management knows best.
Makes you wonder how much the school district will have to pay for reclamation should they ever sell the property. And I'm not sure if the drivers actions of letting the fuel puke would be not be considered a "knowing violation." Hmmm.

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Makes you wonder how much the school district will have to pay for reclamation should they ever sell the property. And I'm not sure if the drivers actions of letting the fuel puke would be not be considered a "knowing violation." Hmmm.
They are aware of it...just have to look at the ground by the pumps...One of the pumps has a concrete slab & it might be OK...But the other 2 are asphalt & the diesel soaks thru...

Reminds me of a recent problem a gas station owner had...20 years or so ago he closed his station...had the tanks removed...EPA gave him an all clear...then he rented the property out to other businesses...then wanted to sell...had a buyer ready to sign, but first the buyer wanted a ground sample test done...sure enough gas was found in the sample...he took his all clear papers to the EPA & they basically said they don't stand behind their test results & he would have to do it all over again...so there goes his retirement money.

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I work at a school bus company with 90+ drivers & some of them not the brightest when it comes to mechanical things...with the tab thingy removed they hold the handle on at full blast & let go when diesel fuel puchs back at them making a mess on the bus & ground...since everyone is assigned a bus, you can tell who does it...I have mentioned to them it seems to be counter productive with the thingy tab removed, but they say with their method someone is standing by the pump in case of an emergency...Management knows best.
They need to get their auto shutoff fixed so that the drivers couldn't do this.

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