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After my recent experience with a BMW motorcycle dealership in an attempt to purchase a 1200LT, I've decided to keep my Kawasaki Vulcan 1600. The owners of said dealership were rude, arrogant, condescending and insulting. After "negotiating" to within $450.00 of making a deal, I was told that I would have to eat the negative equity on my bike. You never tell a paying customer anything like that. If you want to "adjust" the price of the bike, fine. Don't tell them that they're going to absorb their negative equity. Because they'll do exactly what I did. I got up and said, "Adios, BMW." The owner then had the audacity to tell me that I should save up my money and come back in a month or so to purchase the bike. As if that weren't enough, she added that she would "be there for me." I just laughed and said, "Whatever". It'll be a cold day in Hell before I'll buy a BMW product again (did I mention that I sold my X3?).
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How close is the next nearest dealership? They're not all bad.

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So the dealer was truthful and honest.................and your upset???

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Que-est-que-foque is "negative equity"? Is that like, if you owe 10K and are getting 7k on trade, you have to eat the 3k? Makes sense, if that's the case. Binn dare dun dat.
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2 sides to every story. I'm sure you were professional and understood that you were upside down going in... How dare they tell you the truth. And they negotiated the price???? You sure this was a BMW??? Sounds like a great dealer to me!
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So let me get this straight...you KNEW you were upside down on your current bike. And when Gina actually TOLD you so, you got upset, because she was supposed to call an apple an orange? Would it have really made a difference if she had played the shell game with your bottom line?
I bought my bike from there, have had it serviced there, and stop by quite often just to shoot the breeze. Great people and an honest dealer, IMHO.

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Total "over share" Greg.
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She Probably did you a favor...The people that own BMW'S are all rude and obnocious..were a stuffy group.... and besides it sounds like you cant even afford to get the first 600 mile service..... it sounds like you should go hang with the kool kids with your big bad Kawasaki!


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The alternative is: you can always buy a slightly used one from a member of this forum. Check the classified section and you may see something you like at a price you will like even more since the original owner already took a hit on the depreciation.
The LT is a great bike, and so is you Kawi. The choice to change is however up to you!

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So, what was the sales person supposed to do to close the deal?
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Geez, if I had his attitude, I couldn't buy anything cool.


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So, what was the sales person supposed to do to close the deal?
Even if they did what the OP suggested, and raise the price the same value of the negative equity, he would have posted what a shitbag the dealer was for not dealing.

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Good for you.

When I went to give the HD dealer a deposit to get on the waiting list for a new HD, they gave me such a hard time, that after years of owning HDs, I told them I'd be back when there was a foot of snow on the ground.

I started shopping for a more comfortable bike for my wife and me, and after going thru some bizzare experiences at Honda dealers, and other places that sold touring bikes, I was relieved to find a dealer insisting I take one for a test ride.

Aside from the deign defects that take out the clutch, rear end, and trunk latch, I'm very glad the HD dealership in conjunction with the HD company, convinced me to buy some other company's product, and that I wound up with my LT. Come to think of it, I should send Honda a note thanking them also.

Hope you get to enjoy your current ride for many years. By then, you might not be upside down in your bike.

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After my recent experience with a BMW motorcycle dealership in an attempt to purchase a 1200LT, I've decided to keep my Kawasaki Vulcan 1600. The owners of said dealership were rude, arrogant, condescending and insulting. After "negotiating" to within $450.00 of making a deal, I was told that I would have to eat the negative equity on my bike. You never tell a paying customer anything like that. If you want to "adjust" the price of the bike, fine. Don't tell them that they're going to absorb their negative equity. Because they'll do exactly what I did. I got up and said, "Adios, BMW." The owner then had the audacity to tell me that I should save up my money and come back in a month or so to purchase the bike. As if that weren't enough, she added that she would "be there for me." I just laughed and said, "Whatever". It'll be a cold day in Hell before I'll buy a BMW product again (did I mention that I sold my X3?).
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Dang if you do and dang if you dont. Being in sales there will always be someone you cant make happy. Missed a great bike though. I will say my old 70s Kawi 750 2 stroke was the fastest in the quarter mile. If only it had a 6 disc changer, heated seats and grips, push button center stand, gps, adjust. windshield, cruise control, toured like a cadilac and doubled as a sport bike, I might of kept it.
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Maybe you caught her at a bad time of the month. Go to another dealership. Give the brand another chance. Don't let one one women be the reason you made such a critical decision in your life.
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BIGDADDYGMONEY...Hmmm, what's the dealio with the handle?

Truth hurt's eh big boy?? Maybe should read BIGDADDYGOTNOMONEY...

Suck it up soldier.

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Funny how the OP only has 2 posts and yet has to repond back to this one. Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm???

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Capital "L" across the forehead.....
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As usual I remain confused. Two questions:

1. If you like the LT so much why not just go to another dealer, or buy a good used one as already suggested? And if you're only $450 apart on price...?

2. Did I mis-read your last comment, or did you sell your BMW car because you couldn't get a deal on the BMW bike you wanted? I guess that will show them.

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Man I've seen some trolls before but that one was FUGLY.

Oh and does the bigdaddymoney handle mean you get an allowance from your dad and just how large is he?

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After my recent experience with a BMW motorcycle dealership in an attempt to purchase a 1200LT, I've decided to keep my Kawasaki Vulcan 1600. The owners of said dealership were rude, arrogant, condescending and insulting. After "negotiating" to within $450.00 of making a deal, I was told that I would have to eat the negative equity on my bike. You never tell a paying customer anything like that. If you want to "adjust" the price of the bike, fine. Don't tell them that they're going to absorb their negative equity. Because they'll do exactly what I did. I got up and said, "Adios, BMW." The owner then had the audacity to tell me that I should save up my money and come back in a month or so to purchase the bike. As if that weren't enough, she added that she would "be there for me." I just laughed and said, "Whatever". It'll be a cold day in Hell before I'll buy a BMW product again (did I mention that I sold my X3?).


bigdaddygmoney....hell w/that moniker why sweat $450........buy a scooter,used, the horsepower is probably more your speed.

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After my recent experience with a BMW motorcycle dealership in an attempt to purchase a 1200LT, I've decided to keep my Kawasaki Vulcan 1600. The owners of said dealership were rude, arrogant, condescending and insulting. After "negotiating" to within $450.00 of making a deal, I was told that I would have to eat the negative equity on my bike. You never tell a paying customer anything like that. If you want to "adjust" the price of the bike, fine. Don't tell them that they're going to absorb their negative equity. Because they'll do exactly what I did. I got up and said, "Adios, BMW." The owner then had the audacity to tell me that I should save up my money and come back in a month or so to purchase the bike. As if that weren't enough, she added that she would "be there for me." I just laughed and said, "Whatever". It'll be a cold day in Hell before I'll buy a BMW product again (did I mention that I sold my X3?).
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Don't know what to tell ya, other than, man you are missin' out. No offense but, there is nothing that even comes close to the LT. Sure, everone here may have had an issue at some point in time but, I challege you, go and shop for something comparable to the LT. I'm here to tell you,(IMO), it simply does not exist.
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Now wait just a cottonpickin' second...I can't believe I'm the first one to post this obvious reply, you guys must all have slippin' clutches...

When referring to the owner of the dealership you say "...she...",

What does she look like?
Wait, that's not important and shallow...

How old is she?
Wait, that is unimportant and irrelevent...

How many different models does she keep on the showroom floor at any given time?

How many service bays does she have?

Please answer these questions as soon as possible, I may have arrangements to make...geez!

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I'd rip ya more...but...everybody is 'doin such a good job....there's nothin' left ta say! 'Cept ...see yaa!

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laughing my way through this thread almost made up for my dismay at Stoner crashing out last night... thanks guys!!! Great way to start a Monday morning at work... (hey ... and a new smiley too!!)

oh... enjoy your Kwaka anyways... pity you won't get to know what you're missing..

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Anyone else find it incredibly ironic that he shows his name "bigdaddygmoney" and the software automatically knew he had a junior member? teeheehee (sorry, I like to act 5 years old on occasion)

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laughing my way through this thread almost made up for my dismay at Stoner crashing out last night... thanks guys!!! Great way to start a Monday morning at work... (hey ... and a new smiley too!!)

oh... enjoy your Kwaka anyways... pity you won't get to know what you're missing..
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... it's like giving up on your sweetheart, just because the Priest or the Rabbi did a lousy job on the wedding
hey...can you do that???? i've been married for all these years and now you say i can give up because the priest did a crappy job.... wish i had known this sooner...
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My Two Cents:

First, if you need to come up with some money to buy something, getting pissed at the person who tells you that is absurd. This guy needs to get a grip.

That being said:

I have been in the car business for over 30 years. If we ran our car dealerships like BMW and Harley we would be out of business. My experience with most motorcycle shops is that they just don't get it. When I bought my Harley in 2006 I had to call the place several times. I never received a call back from them. They actually said, if you don't buy it someone else will.

My first time at a BMW store I couldn't even get the salesmanís attention and I was standing right there. I finally left and gave him my name and number and told him I wanted the new LT in the showroom. I never heard from him. I then went back in and saw a 2005 LT that I was interested and informed the same guy I would like to buy it. He said it was being held until tomorrow on a deal they had. If it didnít sell they would call me. Two weeks later I went back figuring they sold it. There it was "for sale" and I never got a call. I ended up buying the LT from a private party because the dealer simply did not want to sell me one..

With the exception of the Jap bike dealers I have never had a single positive experience with BMW or HD. This a management problem at these stores. They loose sales every month because the people they have working form them should not be there. They should be at the DMV with the rest of the miserable people. Frankly I would and have let sales people go for not following up and keeping promises. Again, these guys just donít get it.

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Geez, with all this dealer bashing, I think it's time to say something positive. I deal with Wolf BMW in London Ontario, run by Christine and Ian McQueen. Ian handles service, Chris the sales, they have a parts expert named Brian. Thay are unfailingly polite and easy to deal with. Chris went the extra mile to arrange a deal for me on my '05, and I am very happy with my purchase. Unlike some local dealers that have the bikes in the same dealership as BMW cars, Wolf sells bikes and only bikes, and only BMW bikes. They are both riders, and can give good advice about all aspects of the hobby, such as getting the right riding wear. I'm sure there are bad dealers out these, since one of them tried to hose me on a used machine, but Wolf BMW is one of the good ones!

PS.. I am not related to anyone there, and had never met them before I started shopping for a new bike, and found them via the internet.

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How close is the next nearest dealership? They're not all bad.
I hope not.
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So the dealer was truthful and honest.................and your upset???
Try reading the ENTIRE post next time.
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post #45 of 77 Old Aug 18th, 2008, 7:08 pm Thread Starter
 
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2 sides to every story. I'm sure you were professional and understood that you were upside down going in... How dare they tell you the truth. And they negotiated the price???? You sure this was a BMW??? Sounds like a great dealer to me!
I never said that they negotiated the price. I went so far as to make them a straight cash offer. They "thought" they could knock $500 off MSRP.

May I humbly apologize for daring to enter the hallowed bastion of BMW?
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post #46 of 77 Old Aug 18th, 2008, 7:13 pm Thread Starter
 
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So let me get this straight...you KNEW you were upside down on your current bike. And when Gina actually TOLD you so, you got upset, because she was supposed to call an apple an orange? Would it have really made a difference if she had played the shell game with your bottom line?
I bought my bike from there, have had it serviced there, and stop by quite often just to shoot the breeze. Great people and an honest dealer, IMHO.
Key phrase: your opinion. And, no, I didn't know I was upside down on my bike. Know what you're talking about before you accuse somebody of being dishonest.
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post #47 of 77 Old Aug 18th, 2008, 7:13 pm
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Yo..G Money

6 posts and all bashing..great way to make friends. Good luck in whatever makes you happy.

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post #48 of 77 Old Aug 18th, 2008, 7:15 pm Thread Starter
 
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Total "over share" Greg.
It's not what happens to us in life -- it's how we respond to what happens to us.
Best wishes with the Kawasaki .... we'll miss having you here
Your opinion of me and $1.50 will get you a cup of coffee at McDonald's.
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post #49 of 77 Old Aug 18th, 2008, 7:17 pm Thread Starter
 
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She Probably did you a favor...The people that own BMW'S are all rude and obnocious..were a stuffy group.... and besides it sounds like you cant even afford to get the first 600 mile service..... it sounds like you should go hang with the kool kids with your big bad Kawasaki!
Well, you just proved me right.
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