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Interesting Test of Vision, K1200LT, Wing and Harley

Was looking around on YouTube and found this 'interesting' video. It's a group of riders for MCN ( Motorcycle News) in the UK doing a 4 days trip on these 4 bikes. Interesting question to the lead guy at end...." if I could borrow one for the weekend, it would be the Victory, but if I was spending MY money, I'd buy the BMW." Enough said.

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Nice little video. What language was he speaking?

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Very interesting review.......I wonder why he'd borrow a Vision yet buy the LT?
His summation regarding the miles per tank was interesting also. Does the Harley really only get 130 or so? Yikes, I just get comfortable in my seat by then.

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When I had my 03 Fat Boy I would fill up ~140. Still had the reserve left. That was with the "old" 5 gal tank, believe they have upped the touring models to 6 gal.

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Nice little video. What language was he speaking?
English - try it ;-)

That Victory would sure turn heads over here. Not seen one yet. But by write ups the turbulence is dreadful despite the size of the barn frount end
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K1200LT, £15,395.
Victory £15,495
Harley-Davidson Electra Glide Ultra Classic, £16,995.
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Very interesting review.......I wonder why he'd borrow a Vision yet buy the LT?
I know what he means. I rented a Plymouth Prowler (remember those??) one weekend and drove to Tahoe. Had a blast and got TONS of attention. Would I buy one? Hell no, I'd buy a Vette or MB SL but I did have fun in the Prowler.

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Re: Interesting Test of Vision, K1200LT, Wing and Harley

I saw that the other day. I was surprised at his complaint that the K1200LT front end felt funny due to lack of brake dive. To each his own, but one of the things I really love about the bike is that the geometry stays pretty constant whatever you're doing and however it's loaded. He also compared the fuel mileage as similar between the Wing and the LT. I've rented Wings a couple of times on vacation (I know, they're rental bikes...) and they both achieved about 35 mpg, compared to similar riding styles and conditions on my LT at 49mpg. It did get me thinking about doing some touring on the continent. :-)

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I saw that the other day. I was surprised at his complaint that the K1200LT front end felt funny due to lack of brake dive. To each his own, but one of the things I really love about the bike is that the geometry stays pretty constant whatever you're doing and however it's loaded.
I didn't like the lack of front end dive at first on mine, either. Not because I LIKE bottoming out the forks or anything, but because it was just something I was used to for that "seat-of-the-pants" response. I knew I was breaking too hard if it was diving too much. I also knew which point my rear break would start locking up by how far the forks compressed, etc. Just a feel and react thing.

Don't get me wrong. I love it now! But, at first, it really bothered me.

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I saw that the other day. I was surprised at his complaint that the K1200LT front end felt funny due to lack of brake dive.
I came from sport bikes and sport touring bikes none of which were BMW and I will agree that if you are coming from almost any other bike, the brake dive or lack of, is something to get accustomed too. However from the first day I rode my LT I loved that single thing about it, made it feel like it was stopping effortlessly.

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I wonder why he'd borrow a Vision
so he can hand it back and say "no... no.... not mine.... I'd never buy one, just borrowed it to see how it went!"
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yet buy the LT?
because he wouldn't want to hand it back....

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For the first time, last weekend, I saw one of the new Victory Visions. I was staying at the Gateway Canyons Resort (on Colorado 141, Southwest on Grand Junction, Co.) I was impressed with the outlandish styling, but sheesh - it shore is ugggglllllyyyyyyyIf anyone has the chance, you should include that ride on your way to 2008 CCR, you can head south from Grand Junction and do this fantastic ride that will take you to Moab/Canyonlands area. (Take US 50 a few miles south from Grand Junction, turn west onto 141 for 80 miles then turn west again on CR 90, and go 75 miles to Moab). Some of the most scenic riding in Western Colorado or Eastern Utah....
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I love my Lt and HOORAH for the LT. I saw the vision at the Bikes, Blues and BBQ in Fayettville last fall and immediately fell in love with it. The one big disappointment was the saddle bags. You would think that they were huge but on the other hand, they are very small. The top box is as big as the LT, but when you add the cd player, you lose a lot of space. I would rather lose the space in the saddle bag than in the top box. Just my opinion. Last, I saw the rep ride the Vision through town one night and it looked good!!! Now if money only grew on trees!!!
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Re: Interesting Test of Vision, K1200LT, Wing and Harley

I rode won a few weeks ago. Its OK and I cant say there is anything I hated about the bike. I donít know that it compares to the LT very much either. But it may appeal to the Harley guys looking for a quite ride. The riding stance is very similar.
I thought the styling was way off for me. But when you are on the bike you donít notice the odd shapes.
Hey I know guys that hate my LT, cant believe I rider it as far as I do.
Glad we have choices.

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Re: Interesting Test of Vision, K1200LT, Wing and Harley

I just test drove a Vision a week ago and was happy with the way it handled and the power. I didn't feel like I was on a really different bike because of the way the handle bars were, but the feet forward took some getting use to.

My buddy that went with me also rode it, ( he is coming from a r1100rt) and fell in love with it and bought it. He rides mainly 2 up and his wife wasn't comfortable on the RT. Also he is about 6'5" and this bike fit him very well. He is also an old Harley guy and like the 2 big thumpers.

Goods
Drives and handles well in the turns (almost as well at the LT)
Good power
Heated seats and grips

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Radio a bit tinny
Foot controls and factory highway pegs to far out for a short person
Poor use of space in trunk and side bags
Poor leg room and peg placement for passenger
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My other friends impressions were that some of the styling was taken from the LT. Not the ugly trunk and back end but things like the air wings under the mirrors, the handles on the side bags and other little things.

Would I buy a Vision, at the price they want I think they are over priced, but I would buy one before a Harley, I think it is better built and has some better design.

I will let you know more as my buddy rides with me more.

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