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post #1 of 17 Old Apr 18th, 2008, 12:50 pm Thread Starter
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share my jammers and detectors

Sitting here bored, so I thought I would share the jammers and detectors.

the front jammers are mounted on a special bracket welded to the frame. the rear jammer sits just below the tail light. The detector sits in the right bag, so is protected from weather. The laser sensor doesn't work here, but so what, I already had it jammed.
The dash has the jammer above the speedo, hooked up with a phone plug for quick removal. There is a repeater for the detector on the right side, and I use an earbud coming up from behind the seat. A tire pressure readout is on the right side too.
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post #2 of 17 Old Apr 18th, 2008, 1:28 pm
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Re: share my jammers and detectors

Wow! What did it cost for a set up like this? Did you do the install yourself?
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It was alot of work and cash - but worth it. Have not a ticket ever on the bike, and I don't ride slow. But it also takes more than just clever devices, you have to keep a look out as you ride constantly, and know the road helps too. (btw - the computer gave me an average speed between madison WI and St. Louis of 89 mph on a trip a couple years ago, and that included two gas and one burger stop).

Anyway, all plastic has to come off. Everything is built with couplers so no interference when repairing anything. Total cost was about $1000.00 but also took time and effort. The idea was invisibility, which it does pretty well.

My harley friends like to spend a grand in chrome accessories, but my accessories are not seen.
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Re: share my jammers and detectors

While I think is is a really cool install and am fascinated, what exactly does this do?

I think it means you are able to jam, and, or detect a radar reading from either direction?

I am not to keen on these anymore but what bands or whatever do theses detect and, or, jam?

What does it do to the Troopers equipment or reading of the equipment?

What is the legality of this equipment? I know a lot of States here on the right coast don't allow radar detectors.

What about the "Jammers"?

Just curious as I have been considering something to try and protect myself from my love of twisting the wick up on this thing on slab.

Not a saint, but don't want to install something that would get my bike impounded or loose my license over.

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Re: share my jammers and detectors

Thats a very interesting setup..

Here is what I have found out about jammers.

Federal law says you can have any type of receiver you can buy or build.

In the states where detectors are illegal so are jammers.. the FCC says you can have a microwave transmitter as long as the power output does not exceed 500 milliwatts. But the states position is unless you were intending to break the law why would you have either one! The "intent to break the law" is where they get you.

As for the laser units, lasers they are controlled by the federal Food and Drug Administration.. and that one should be a hoot in court! I have not found anyplace where anyone has tried that one in court.

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He is jamming laser, not radar.

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You can recess the rear antenna so that its flush. Thats how I have mine done and it isnt even noticable

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Re: share my jammers and detectors

I read these posts with an open mind, or open as much as I can.

I have been an expert witness for many years in the use and operation of traffic radar and laser systems. I have been on both sides, for law enforcement and for drivers who have received tickets.

As for radar jammers, these devices really do not work. At a distance of 300 feet there is no effect to any radar unit I have checked with all available jammers. I have checked these units in a laboratory and on the highway.

Now for the microwave transmitter / jammer. Yes the FCC allows an unlicensed transmitter in the microwave frequencies. The use of the transmitter is illeagl if you are using the transmitter to cause malicious interference to another device or receiver. This makes the use of a jammer illegal under Federal law. Now are the Fed's gonna come after you, probably not. Can the State or local government charge you having or using the device. Maybe, it depends on the State and how the laws are worded. In most cases the State cannot regulate radio transmitters or receivers or the use of the device. That is the duty of the Federal Communications Commission.

That brings up the Illinois and Virginia ban of radar detectors. It is my opinion that the States cannot ban the use of the radar detectors. The detector is a receiver and again this falls under Federal authority. I have not been asked to testify about this since I am not a lawyer, but my interpretation of the law and my connections with the FCC give me the opinion that the detectors cannot be banned by the State.

Ok, laser jammers, these will work in certain circumstances. Your laser unit must be directed at the other laser unit and I mean direct. Your unit must also be of the same type laser or color spectrum. If the color of your laser unit is not the same there will be no effect. If it is the same color at close range it could effect the laser speed detector. You have to take into consideration a laser reading takes place in micro-seconds, or millionths of a second.

Do I use a radar detector, nope, and no laser detector either. Do I ride fast, sure do, real fast at times, do I get tickets, no! Do the cops know who I am, not where I live right now. Why don't I get tickets? First motorcycles are hard to detect with radar or laser because of the size of the target. By the time the officer sees you, you probably have seen him and have slowed down.
Also if there is other traffic near you or around you the unit cannot get an accurate reading of just you. Radar will tend to track the largest target. A car or pickup will be detected sooner than a motorcycle. If you are ahead of the car or truck by 100 feet up to 200 feet or so, the reading will be of the car or truck, not you. These same applies to cars and large tractor trailers units. The big truck will be detected and the car if front will be somewhat shielded. This is not always true, but most of the time it is correct.

One last thing. If you have a radar detector and a radar jammer. Does you radar detector go off when the jammer is turned on? If the detector does not go off, the jammer is worthless and not doing it's job. Same for the laser jammer, if it doesn't set off the laser detector then it really doesn't do anything. If the jammers don't jam you detector is it really going to have any effect on the police radar? Nope!!!
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One last thing. If you have a radar detector and a radar jammer. Does you radar detector go off when the jammer is turned on? If the detector does not go off, the jammer is worthless and not doing it's job. Same for the laser jammer, if it doesn't set off the laser detector then it really doesn't do anything. If the jammers don't jam you detector is it really going to have any effect on the police radar? Nope!!!
So...does that mean these http://www.escortradar.com/9500ci.htm don't can't work as advertised?

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Re: share my jammers and detectors

I ride fast at times too.

I've considered mounting jammers and detectors but have not done that, haven't been caught yet either which probably has some bearing on just considering, not doing.

Back in the early '80's had a buddy who was real handy with electronics and was one point away from loosing his permit due to speeding tickets. Roy built a jammer which would cause the police radar to read 55, no matter how fast Roy was going. Roy was happy and drove as fast as he was comfortable with until he rolled into Elkhart IN one afternoon, speed limit dropped to 35 and Roy, being a fairly good citizen complied. About that time he got pulled and cited for going 55 in a 35. His argument that he was going 35, fell on deaf ears and he got the ticket. Luckily he had a couple of points drop off while he was running this jammer so he did keep on driving. That jammer was last seen sticking out of a trash can in Sturgis MI.

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One last thing. If you have a radar detector and a radar jammer. Does you radar detector go off when the jammer is turned on? If the detector does not go off, the jammer is worthless and not doing it's job. Same for the laser jammer, if it doesn't set off the laser detector then it really doesn't do anything. If the jammers don't jam you detector is it really going to have any effect on the police radar? Nope!!!
Hi Wood614,

Only a laser jammer that is 10+ years old MIGHT set off a new radar detector. Laser Jammers these days are very intelligent devices. In standby they have NO emission, so clearly they will never set off your radar detector that is also a laser detector - or any other radar detector. However, as a laser beam is very directional, even when your jammer is actually jamming, I have never heard of a radar detector alerting to the laser jammer. Laser jammers now-a-days can firstly detect specifically which laser gun is firing at your vehicle between the 2nd and 3rd pulse from a laser gun. It usually takes 3 seconds with a laser gun to measure a vehicle speed due to tracking laws (e.g. many hundreds of pulses.) By measuring the speed of these first 2~3 pulses modern laser jammers can calculate exactly which BRAND and TYPE of laser gun is firing at your vehicle, and by the end of the 3rd pulse, sends back the appropriate signals to jam that specific laser gun (e.g. 100, 200, 400 or more pulses per second depending on the actual laser gun.) Only after this passive LASER DETECTION takes place, do the jamming transcievers actual start jamming.

There is no "matching of light" etc, ALL police laser guns worldwide use 904nm that is invisible light and near infra-red. It is via different pulse rates the guns are differentiated - not the color of their laser light.

No modern laser jammer will trigger and error code in a police laser gun. There are many many videos displaying this on YouTube and also videos taken with infrared filters that let you see the actual transmission from a laser jammer and you can see they only come on after first detecting laser.

This is the laser jammer I have on my M3, it has never set off my radar detector and has saved my hide many times!

Laser Jammer.

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Re: Modern Laser Jammers are smarter than this

Now this is good information and a start to my understanding this and able to search on the topic.

Thank you for the information.

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Hi Wood614,

Only a laser jammer that is 10+ years old MIGHT set off a new radar detector. Laser Jammers these days are very intelligent devices. In standby they have NO emission, so clearly they will never set off your radar detector that is also a laser detector - or any other radar detector. However, as a laser beam is very directional, even when your jammer is actually jamming, I have never heard of a radar detector alerting to the laser jammer. Laser jammers now-a-days can firstly detect specifically which laser gun is firing at your vehicle between the 2nd and 3rd pulse from a laser gun. It usually takes 3 seconds with a laser gun to measure a vehicle speed due to tracking laws (e.g. many hundreds of pulses.) By measuring the speed of these first 2~3 pulses modern laser jammers can calculate exactly which BRAND and TYPE of laser gun is firing at your vehicle, and by the end of the 3rd pulse, sends back the appropriate signals to jam that specific laser gun (e.g. 100, 200, 400 or more pulses per second depending on the actual laser gun.) Only after this passive LASER DETECTION takes place, do the jamming transcievers actual start jamming.

There is no "matching of light" etc, ALL police laser guns worldwide use 904nm that is invisible light and near infra-red. It is via different pulse rates the guns are differentiated - not the color of their laser light.

No modern laser jammer will trigger and error code in a police laser gun. There are many many videos displaying this on YouTube and also videos taken with infrared filters that let you see the actual transmission from a laser jammer and you can see they only come on after first detecting laser.

This is the laser jammer I have on my M3, it has never set off my radar detector and has saved my hide many times!

Laser Jammer.


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There is alot you have to know about speeding. I intend to put up a websight devoted to speeding, of course clearly explaining that it is inappropriate and only informational.

That said, I have to say I was pulled over twice for speeding. But because my Valentine1 radar detector is older and does not do POP, I know that WHEN pulled over, they used POP and are trying to get ME to self incriminate.

IOW - POP is not evidence for court. They need an actual hit of radar of five or more seconds. There are elecronic related reasons for this I won't get into, but suffice it to say that if the officer comes up to your vehicle and asks if you know how fast you were going, you merely mention that you "thought" you were doing the speed limit. Never self incriminate, as THAT is what would be used against you in court.

Both times I was pulled over for speeding, the result was warning tickets, which any cop or sheriff will tell you, doesn't mean beans.

So yes, from my standpoint, you need not just eyes and ears to watch out, but the tools to counteract or detect the possibility of being ticketed. Everything adds up.

And to justify my speeding, I put forth that most speeding tickets are money making devices for the community or county. I say this because no effort is put forth to protect kids of parents that are not paying support. There is no money to be made going after deadbeat parents. Yes, speeding is responsible for most accidents (I believe that is the case), but speeding on open road on divided highways is not the same as speeding in and out of traffic or on city streets, which I con't condone).

To answer an earlier question - I jam laser (has worked three times now), and detect radar (detected so many times over I could not count. Plus, with the Valentine1, the reach is phenomenal. And, the unit can detect forward and backward, and let you know. This has also saved me, as the countys had a radar box up on the side of the road, but the next week were also waiting over the hill too. The Valentine1 saw two ahead, and then one behind and one ahead. Nothing else does that. The average detector driver would have started speeding up after the radar box. HA ha.
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I can also testify from personal experience that the Laser Jammers do work great on motorcycles.

I have been lazed by a MC LEO and had time to slow down from +30 in a 30 and just cruised by him and waved hello.

Either he like the cut of my bike or he didnt get a lock on in time. You can be over powered so the jammers give you the time to slow down they are not good enough to be installed as ECM on the latest US Navy Guided Missile Destroyer.

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Just got my nice new GF100 PRO Jammer on the car, not so well designed for the ride.

lets see how it goes
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Just ordered one of these to try.
http://www.adaptivtechnologies.com/
It is designed for motorcycles and waterproof.
Jammer to follow early next year.

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It always amazes me how the expert witness always seems to contradict themselves.
The same reason the bikes are harder to acquire is also the same reason that detectors and laser jammers work. There is less to acquire and see therefore more time to slow down and jammers are also more effective as a result as well.

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