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Hot Sex while 2 up

not really

i just need some info an rear brake bleed. no one would even read the post labeled "brake bleed" much less respond.

I took the caliper off to change pads and paint and can not get it to bleed. Taking to a dealer is not an option at this point. if i have to order the tools to DIY thats ok.

just need some advise. thanks, Dale 05 ABS
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Nice ....Had me looking

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open the bleed screw, while pouring new fluid into your reservoir, slightly depress your rear brake pedal, while the bike is turned on, it will activate the pumps and flush your rear brake system for you. DO NOT let your reservoir run dry......
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which bleed screw? the reservoir was dry.
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(fill the reservoir up) the one under your rear seat, then open the bleed screw on the caliper, there is actually 2 one on each side, then depress the pedal and let the pumps send fluid through the lines, only depress the pedal lightly until you hear the pumps turn on. Once you have no air bubbles coming through any more, close the bleed screw on the caliper and do the same to the other side. I would bleed your entire system if your reservoir is dry.
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Sheldon,

thanks for your help. I opened or tried both bleed screws. The pumps run but no fluid comes out. I have a one man bleed attached. Allot of air coming through, but no fluid. I pulled the panels on the left side to expose the pump.

thanks again.
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fluid will come through eventually, even if you just pump the pedal with the bike off, let gravity work for you. you obviously have a dry system and it needs to fill up first, before it goes out to the calipers
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i just need some info an rear brake bleed. no one would even read the post labeled "brake bleed" much less respond.

I took the caliper off to change pads and paint and can not get it to bleed. Taking to a dealer is not an option at this point. if i have to order the tools to DIY thats ok.

just need some advise. thanks, Dale 05 ABS
I am not sure you would bleed the rear caliper after replacing the pads... ???
All you need to do after removing the old pads is to push back the pistons inside the caliper to make room for thew pads which will be thicker, and you are done.

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If she is bleeding there is no hot sex

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Do yourself a HUGE favor and go buy a Mityvac. The cheapest model will work just fine... not really all that expensive considering all the aggravation (and money) it will save you.

It's one of those tools that you slap yourself in the forehead for not buying in the first place since it makes a task that is pretty much a PITA easy.


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thanks again,

I tried for an hour. Still no fluid flow. I left both bleeders open all night hoping gravity would work. "no help"

the bmw car manual states that a pressurized bleeder is necessary.

still open for things to try

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thanks again,

I tried for an hour. Still no fluid flow. I left both bleeders open all night hoping gravity would work. "no help".

still open for things to try

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Is the fluid going down in the reservoir when you press the brake pedal? Then have to add more fluid.

Also, shouldn't you have to close the bleed screw before letting up on the pedal, so you don't suck air back into the system? Then reopen it when depressing the pedal.

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This is a interesting topic. I plan on changing my pads soon so this information is good!

can you press press press (hot sex while 2 up, ) and hold while releasing air/fluid from the bleeder like on any other bike or is there a special sequence for a bike with ABS?

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Not sure on your 05 but on my 03 there are TWO reservoirs at the same location by the right side case. Mine has two caps and when I service the reservoir I check and fill both. It's one unit but has a divider in the middle and a cap for each side. Did you check BOTH sides of the reservoir?

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There are 2 "reservoirs" . One for the Master Cylinder. The other is inside the ABS pump itself.

Here's Mark Neblett's process for the ABS.. I suggest you read it.. http://www.bmwlt.net/ubbthreads/show...&sb=5&o=0&vc=1

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This is a interesting topic. I plan on changing my pads soon so this information is good!
He didn't just change his pads. In his other post he said he took the caliper off to paint it. So there is no fluid in the line when he was trying to bleed them.

'05 is different from your 2000 because they have a pump. So they can just press and pump the oil out. We have to keep opening and closing, unless you put speed bleeders in.

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Frist the topic then I read ""Bleed screw"!

Is it only me the foreign language dude or ...
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I just did the brake flush on my '05 K1200LT. There was no dual reservoir as pictured in the Clymer manual for earlier 2005 LTs. Instead the ABS module had only the two black plastic caps (use a 8 mm hex key to remove them) that had a very small amount of fluid under them, that had to be kept full to prevent air ingestion whenever the pump runs.

I accidentally ingested air before adding two kludged standpipes to keep those under-the-cap chambers full at all times when bleeding. I knew this because the pump would run abnormally long on static brake application when I had first bled the brakes. When bleeding, these chambers empty quickly whenever the pump runs.

With the temporary standpipes, & re bleeding once again, the brakes feel normal & the pump runs normally (just a fraction of a second) on static brake applications.

BUT, I assume I may have set an ABS system error code. Is there a way for us tech savvy owners to reset the ABS system? My bike is in my basement waiting for the grass here to get hard enough to drive over it. With the weather here in Minneapolis, that should be about July.................

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If your is an 05, the system will reset from a fault by itself only IF the fault has been fixed. It does not need to be reset by the dealer. Once you get a chance to drive it the roll off test will complete and the lights will go out if all is well.

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Ok,

I followed almost ever piece that made since. Now I have brakes but there are problems. There is a flashing triangle while driving.

the brakes are there but weak. not as sensitive or touchy.

The brake pump runs continuously every time either brake pedal or handle is pressed. Is this normal or what is the likely cause.

I can not get the brake fluid in the reservior to go down, no matter what is tried. I back filled the system with a pump through the bleed valve on the caliper to get the brakes to work.

any help would be appreciated. The suzuki, and honda shop stated that they can not work on it. the nearest dealer is 3 hours 1 way.
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Shit... looked twice (this is the second time...)

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Ok,

I followed almost ever piece that made since. Now I have brakes but there are problems. There is a flashing triangle while driving.
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the brakes are there but weak. not as sensitive or touchy. The suzuki, and honda shop stated that they can not work on it. the nearest dealer is 3 hours 1 way.

STOP.

Never, never push fluid from the caliper to the ABS.... That's bad.

There are NO shortcuts.... and without being there, this is DANGEROUS... Brakes are important.

Review....

Every time you apply brakes via the levers, the ABS pump runs. The levers apply "control" pressure to the ABS unit. As the pressure builds the ABS amplifies and sends pressure to the caliper(s).

When you "pushed" fluid, did you see any on the ground under the bike? Probably not. That's because the ABS is not letting the fluid flow back into the pump as you expect.

Therefore, ALWAYS use the ABS pump to PUSH fluid TO the caliper(s) by having the key ON and apply the brake you are working on... front or rear.

Always keep the reservoir on the ABS pump filled.. because THAT is where the fluid is that goes to the caliper(s)....

If this doesn't make sense, maybe someone locally could come by and help you work through this...

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Ok,

The brake pump runs continuously every time either brake pedal or handle is pressed. Is this normal or what is the likely cause.

I can not get the brake fluid in the reservior to go down, no matter what is tried. I back filled the system with a pump through the bleed valve on the caliper to get the brakes to work.

any help would be appreciated.
The pump always runs if a brake light is on. The reservoir you should be watching is ON the ABS unit, not the single chamber unit on the right side of the bike. That is the rear CONTROL circuit reservoir. Check the other post for a link to my article with some photos.

There are some ABS units on pickups that can be damaged by forcing fluid back up from the caliper but that is how they do the initial fill at the factory on the LT so no risk of damage here. I just don't recommend pushing OLD fluid back up, only fresh.

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Be sure to check when you are adding fluid to the rear unit that the rubber bellows that seals the unit under the cap is removed when you add fluid.

If not removed no fluid will flow int the system.

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Just having been there with a 2005 LT that also doesn't have the dual reservoir etc pictured in the Clymer manual & elsewhere -

The pump should only run for a fraction of a second when you turn on the ignition switch, and when you pull and/or step on the brake(s). If it runs longer, it means you have air somewhere in the system.

The reason not to force new fluid from the brake caliper(s) back into the ABS module is most of the initial contamination will be in the caliper(s) - and you don't want that crap forced into the ABS module.

Note that there are two caps on the ABS module. The higher one (near the center) is generally for the front brake, the lower one (on the left side) is generally for the rear, but there is some sort of bleed orifice between the two that I don't fully understand, so there is the chance of cross-contamination and air ingestion.

I am not an expert on this, maybe someone else can check me out...........
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Niel is close. The wheel circuits are completely seperate from the control circuits. The fluid will never mingle. The cross over mentioned is between the front and rear control circuits only (thus the integral part).

Niel you can eliminate the word "generally" from your statement and you will be correct (unless some one has re-piped the system).

The bellows mentioned are in the control circuit reservoir. The wheel circuit reservoir has a small mesh screen directly under the cap that must be removed if you want to suck out the old fluid prior to a flush.

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"Generally" is like "basically" - a fancy way of saying "ahhhhh........" I've never seen a sentence that couldn't have them taken out
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Ok,

thanks for all of the good information. After finally finding the resivors on the ABS unit and the discovery that it was totally depleted. "that was the problem" "now you can say DUH!" It hit me like a hammer.

It was so depleted that it would not flow any fluid to the caliper after it was filled. It took bleeding the tall bleeder on the ABS unit, to get flow.??

Finally it flowed fluid to the caliper. You guys are right, it will deplete the reservoir very quickly. "maybe 3 to 4 seconds" Keep in mind that i'm doing this by myself. I use a pole to mash the brake pedal, while i operate the bleeder. It's a circus.

Thanks again. BTW, the red caliper looks cool

Now we might get to ride the bike for the first time.
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It took bleeding the tall bleeder on the ABS unit, to get flow.??
The bleeders on the ABS unit are only hooked into the control circuit so if any fluid came out be sure to check the sight glass for fluid level on the front reservoir at the grips. It most likely just took some time for the fluid to make its way down.

I used a small bleed bottle the first time and marked it so I knew when to stop and re-fill the reservoir. Now I use a funnel glued into a spare cap so I can load it with lots of fluid and watch the level go down.

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