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post #1 of 61 Old Mar 21st, 2008, 1:39 am Thread Starter
 
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Synthetic API GL-5 study

For those of you using Mobil 1 will take heart from this study:

http://www.******.com/products/gearl...hitePaper.aspx

Is it possible that FD failures are caused by Synthetics which fail to
meet API GL-5 ?

Are users using synthetic Mobil 1 Gear Lubricant in gearbox and FD ?

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Re: Synthetic API GL-5 study

Sorry maybe I was a little unclear

When final drives and gearboxes are failing, what is the variable
they come from the same source have roughly the same exposure
to stress and duration (useage) the only variable as far as I can see would
be the fluid to stop the thing self destructing due to friction and heat.

Maybe as the ad men say 'oils ain't oils'


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Hi Tony,

First, I think you tried to use that dirty 6-letter A***** word that's been banned around here.

Second, it's just not as simple as that. We've taken tons of data on rear drive failures over the years and there really isn't a common factor. We've looked at gear lube weights, synthetic vs dino, one or two-up riding, trailers, high mileage versus low, thrashing twisties versus local or freeway miles, etc. Noting pops up with any sort of statistical significance, except to say that failures have dropped off (but not stopped) on '03 and newer bikes.

Believe me, if it was that simple, we would have figured it out years ago.

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Thanks Ken,
I'm a newbie to 1200LT also the forum, it good to hear that the failures
are dropping off. Thanks for the feedback.

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FYI...I have been using Mobile 1 gear oil in the tranny and rear drive on 2 LT's for a total of over 160,000 miles and had no rear drive or transmission problems to date.

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Not possible Ron. Have you not read the WHITE PAPER? You've probably already had failures, you're just not aware of them yet.
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Actually, the Mobil 1 tested 2nd overall in the 14 gear oil test, verifying it is a fine product.
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First, I think you tried to use that dirty 6-letter A***** word that's been banned around here.
Wow, this is the first I've heard of this. I guess I haven't been following the oil threads lately.



Perhaps someone can explain how the censorship of a brand name on this site fits in with the claim made in the McNews postings in Chit Chat by an owner of this board that states:

"We operate communities that encourage and support the completely free flow of information among our members. The only control we impose on posting in our forums is if there is a violation of our clearly stated site guidelines."



Exactly what section of the site guidelines are being violated by a member when stating the brand name of oil they use or like? If there are individuals violating the site guidelines on commercialism then ban the individual from the site. Banning brand names is total BS, IMHO. While I agree it may be annoying to repeatedly hear about a certain topic or brand name, singling one out over all the others for censorship does not seem to be appropriate. If one oil brand name is inappropriate then all oil brand names should be inappropriate and treated in the same manner.



Perhaps the policy makers should enforce sections of the site guidelines that are clearly being violated by members of this site. Like this one for example:

"Search the Archives: Use the forum search feature or one of the major internet search engines BEFORE you ask your next question. Being asked the same old question over and over is very irritating. By not taking the time to search the archives or make a search of other internet resources BEFORE asking the group is like saying, "my time is more valuable than yours, so I'm just going to ask here instead of looking for it myself"."

Why not sensor, as in delete, every question that has been asked at least a hundred times and could easily be answered by following this site guideline or by looking through the technical section of the site. Of course I am being facetious and don't propose anything like this to ever be done. However I see clear grounds for this kind of censorship based on the site guidelines, whereas I can see no clear connection to the guidelines concerning the censorship of a product brand name.

I have to assume that this censorship is the result of the prejudice of some apparently influential person or persons on this site. Individuals whose dislike of a word supersedes the rights of anyone else to use the word.

Either the claim that there is free flow of information between members of this forum is a lie or people who use or like the not to be mentioned product are not considered members of this forum.

I wonder which it is?



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Ams oil, Ams oil, Ams oil, Ams oil, Ams oil, Ams oil, Ams oil, Ams oil.

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Take a big deep breath..now exhale slowly...there you go.

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Perhaps someone can explain how the censorship of a brand name on this site fits in with the claim made in the McNews postings in Chit Chat by an owner of this board that states:

"[color=Navy]We operate communities that encourage and support the completely free flow of information among our members. The only control we impose on posting in our forums is if there is a violation of our clearly stated site guidelines."
I think I can explain: in the not so distant past we have been inundated with hidden Snake Oil ads. Hidden as in "but I only gave advice what I am using/selling" Unfortunately even multiple PM's to this member asking him to loosen up and to quit selling his Snake Oil here were unfruitful. The moderator community then decided to treat A**** as SPAM and it still is. Unfortunately we see it again and again that absolutely unfounded claims are being made, over and over.

This is the reason why one companies Name got inserted into the dirty word list. We are not trying nor did we ever try to stifle the free flow of information. You can still discuss (almost) everything as much as you like. We are just very sensitive to SPAM. And unfounded claims from Snake Oil salesmen *ARE* SPAM.
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I use the ****** product line in all my vehicles... very satisfied... yes, JD there are some who attempt to "restrict"....

BTW.. I typed the whole name out a m soil without the spaces between letters.. a m azing

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I think I can explain: in the not so distant past we have been inundated with hidden Snake Oil ads. Hidden as in "but I only gave advice what I am using/selling" Unfortunately even multiple PM's to this member asking him to loosen up and to quit selling his Snake Oil here were unfruitful. The moderator community then decided to treat A**** as SPAM and it still is. Unfortunately we see it again and again that absolutely unfounded claims are being made, over and over.

This is the reason why one companies Name got inserted into the dirty word list. We are not trying nor did we ever try to stifle the free flow of information. You can still discuss (almost) everything as much as you like. We are just very sensitive to SPAM. And unfounded claims from Snake Oil salesmen *ARE* SPAM.
I for one, thank you for the ban.

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I hate censoring or banning as much as anybody.

This particular one in my opinion was long overdue. This forum is for "friendly" conversations, not for monitoring it for any opening to get a pitch for your product in. No matter how beneficial your product may be. In the case of ***** I believe it is an ok product, just not vastly superior to 100's of similar products on the market worldwide as its claimed.

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absolutely unfounded claims are being made, over and over.

And unfounded claims from Snake Oil salesmen *ARE* SPAM.
What "unfounded claims" were made?
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Some interesting posts here, re oils. I am going to use the bad word here as far as this forum is concerned. I have used ****** in everything I own with an engine or almost 10 years, including my K1200LT, my 1200RS in the past and our vehicles. It is an excellent product overall, that is why I am confident in its use. There are other good products out there for sure, there are products not very good that others swear by. I don't know why I or anyone else would try and push their lubricants preference on others. Who cares how well someone cares for their bike? I sure as heck don't, unless I am riding with such an owner on a long trip. This forum is very good with a great deal of excellent information from others experience. It bothers me that somebody may think they have the right to censor information. On the other hand if someone has their head in the sand and thinks ****** is snake oil, let them keep it there. I think BMW makes a very, very good motorcylce. Those who don't are free to buy another brand. Some on this forum appear to not be aware of that.

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What "unfounded claims" were made?
Don't take the bait guys...

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Don't take the bait guys...
LOL, you really think I would have?
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LOL, you really think I would have?
No, not you...but maybe some of the others

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I hate censoring or banning as much as anybody.

This particular one in my opinion was long overdue. This forum is for "friendly" conversations, not for monitoring it for any opening to get a pitch for your product in. No matter how beneficial your product may be. In the case of ***** I believe it is an ok product, just not vastly superior to 100's of similar products on the market worldwide as its claimed.
I could care less what product is the subject of this discussion. I could care less if individual members cheer or decry the banning of this particular word. My personal issue is reconciling the use of censorship with the rules that are posted, that supposedly govern this group, and the statements concerning high moral fiber that have been made.

Randy, Andy and Jeff certainly have the right to run their operation any way they like. The forum guidelines also clearly state that the First Amendment does not apply here. I personally believe they have created one of the finest forums on the internet. The use of censorship has put a black mark on it as far as I am concerned, but who cares what I or anyone else thinks.

Resorting to censorship rather than terminating the memberships of the individuals creating the problem behavior is what I am confused about. To say that censorship is acceptable because individuals consider the topic to be SPAM is also ludicrous.

The statement that is in Randy's letter to MCNews, "We operate communities that encourage and support the completely free flow of information among our members.", and censorship based on the subject matter opinions of the moderators or administrators are diametrically opposed concepts. While censorship is certainly rarely used, that it is used at all invalidates his statement to a certain degree.

I have absolutely no problem if censorship is considered to be acceptable on this forum or that topics that the moderators or administrators don't like get censored. I am an easy going guy and when in Rome... . What I have problems with is proclaiming to operate otherwise. Not that I am going to loose any sleep over it.

The folks putting time money and effort into this site are awesome. I'm not upset or mad at anybody. I'm just pointing out a little charter flaw in this site. Just more digital static . The free flow of ideas and all that.


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I quit useing the ***oil products after the ads came out claiming ....
Never waist a drop when changing fluids, get some on your hands, puddle on the floor ... No problem, rub it on your groin area, increases your manhood.

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How this mechanical engineer (retired) sees it:

The FD failures I've seen pictured mostly show bearing race or ball spalling. A piece of very hard metal comes out of a race or ball, and passes thru the other rolling surfaces, and pretty soon you have a cascading failure that trashes the bearing surfaces.

Any initial spalling failure would be caused by excessive compression fatigue of the ball or race material under the repeated Herzian stress loading. The stress amplitude is determined by the bearing configuration and by all applied loads.

The Herzian fatigue stress probably isn't very sensitive to the lubrication, with the exception that those failures that also involve the ball cage probably are.

The whole thing is related to loads and preloads necessary to keep the axle and gearset rotating around accurate axes for noise and gear tooth wear purposes. It is fine to use premium gear oils to reduce the chances of cage failure, but there isn't much you can do to reduce race or ball spalling except to be sure the preload isn't excessive. Frequent oil changes will help reduce the buildup of tramp metal that might be present in the lube system, but anyone changing a crown bearing without checking the preload is asking for repeated trouble.
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I have absolutely no problem if censorship is considered to be acceptable on this forum or that topics that the moderators or administrators don't like get censored.
I will say one more statement to that issue an then have my peace. This is not directed to or against anyone in particular, the above paragraph just opened the window to make that statement.

We (as in MANY, MANY members and moderators and ALL the admins) consider the constant barrage and the constant pushing of ANY product: SPAM!

And in some cases it is better to keep a members possibility to read the forum, but once and for all stop the SPAM.

Yes, we are are free to handle SPAM the way we see fit. If you see preventative measures to use a special word as censorship, then so be it. We see it as SPAM prevention.
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The statement that is in Randy's letter to MCNews, "We operate communities that encourage and support the completely free flow of information among our members.", and censorship based on the subject matter opinions of the moderators or administrators are diametrically opposed concepts. While censorship is certainly rarely used, that it is used at all invalidates his statement to a certain degree.
Actually all of the information does flow. If you really think that blocking a single brand name really stops the 'free flow of information', I really don't know how to answer that. I will go on record that I really didn't want to block that name, but I was overridden by a the majority of the moderators who have to deal with the polarizing effect the mention of that brand has on this community.

We didn't create the situation whereby the mention of that brand raises the hackles of many members - that situation has been created over the years by the jobbers who hawk the brand. It seems that most anyone who wants to promote that brand is incapable of subtlety. It is just oil. While it may be good oil there are many others that are just as good. You just don't hear enough oil-related failures in modern engines to justify the amount of bandwidth consumed discussing which one is better.

The fact is that we do not allow commercial posts within the general forums - a fact I made clear in my letter and a which is stated in our guidelines. We found that, more often than not, when that brand was mentioned it was by someone who had a financial stake in promoting it. If we found that any other brand name was being used in the same fashion, we might use the forum's software to replace it as well. I would think that our members are smart enough to let the information flow freely without having to mention a brand. If they absolutely need to make it clear what brand they are referring to when they mention products, I am sure they could be creative. I always liked 'Am$oil'.

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Is it possible that FD failures are caused by Synthetics which fail to
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Are users using synthetic Mobil 1 Gear Lubricant in gearbox and FD ?

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Next week I should be getting my hands on a bearing test machine, and was going to put some oils through their paces. My intent is to put my current oil of use up against some of those commonly used. I'll be able to run the tests myself, using nothing but Timpken (spelling?) bearings, and hopefully choose oils that don't use chlorine or other destructive additives.
So, if I do this, would anyone want to hear the results, or will I get my butt handed to me? I don't sell anything, I don't promote anything, I just want to see what happens.
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So, if I do this, would anyone want to hear the results, or will I get my butt handed to me? I don't sell anything, I don't promote anything, I just want to see what happens.
By all means if you DO find something let us know. Even if a specific brand uses destructive additives. Also if a specific brand works (considerably) better than others let us know. And if you use real scientific test methods even more so. (More than one test to come to a conclusion, double blind, ...)

Your data will be even better if you decide to post the raw data, so that everybody can draw their own statistical conclusion.

Just make sure you don't pull an LTSnyder or even worse come up with an mcn.
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Good question Tony...too bad you never really got an answer for it.
Actually, I think his question was answered several times.

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We've taken tons of data on rear drive failures over the years and there really isn't a common factor. We've looked at gear lube weights, synthetic vs dino, one or two-up riding, trailers, high mileage versus low, thrashing twisties versus local or freeway miles, etc. Nothing pops up with any sort of statistical significance, except to say that failures have dropped off (but not stopped) on '03 and newer bikes.
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How this mechanical engineer (retired) sees it:

The Herzian fatigue stress probably isn't very sensitive to the lubrication, with the exception that those failures that also involve the ball cage probably are.

It is fine to use premium gear oils to reduce the chances of cage failure, but there isn't much you can do to reduce race or ball spalling except to be sure the preload isn't excessive. Frequent oil changes will help reduce the buildup of tramp metal that might be present in the lube system, but anyone changing a crown bearing without checking the preload is asking for repeated trouble.
Basically, there is no significant correlation with dino versus synthetic gear lube and final drive bearing failures. Whatever the actual failure mechanisms are, it's just not as simple as the type of oil used.

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As far as I remember, know one knows why they fail.

From what I remember of stats and research, no one has access to relevant data to do "meaning-full" stats analysis.

You can tell when spring time is in the air, the oil, oil filter, and tire threads start (along with more reports of rear bearing failures, oil seals leaking, and slave cylinders letting go).

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As Ole Red said to Scarlet, "Frankly Scarlet I don't give a D***!"

I found out years ago that any dino paraffin based oil will plate out on the inside of your engine. DO NOT ever use oil additives for dino oils they plate out even more lol.. It takes a lot of time and effort to scrap and clean it off when rebuilding the engine. GM must get a rebate from Mobile thats why they recommend using ONLY that oil in the Vette. HD thinks only HD oil will keep their engine running and not marking their spot when they are parked. Caterpillar will happily sell you their oil by the DRUM.

Oil is oil. Dino, synthetic or combo, and SAE grades do make a difference where temperature is concerned. If you change it regularly it can and will help protect your engine from wear, but most people change oil way too often, thinking that the manufacture is ALWAYS correct. No he is just selling his product. My Vette regular flashes every 6,000 miles to change my oil but the book says every 3,000 to 15,000 depending on how you drive and the air quality. Most modern engines are pretty much "sealed" so any contaminates in the oil are from blow-by around the rings and a degrading of the oil from engine heat. Any more it's difficult to get any moisture in your engine unless you have a coolant leak.

So my bottom line is. hehe You use what you like and makes you happy and i'll keep on using the stuff that gets poured in mine.

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Wow, this is the first I've heard of this. I guess I haven't been following the oil threads lately.



Perhaps someone can explain how the censorship of a brand name on this site fits in with the claim made in the McNews postings in Chit Chat by an owner of this board that states:

"We operate communities that encourage and support the completely free flow of information among our members. The only control we impose on posting in our forums is if there is a violation of our clearly stated site guidelines."



Exactly what section of the site guidelines are being violated by a member when stating the brand name of oil they use or like? If there are individuals violating the site guidelines on commercialism then ban the individual from the site. Banning brand names is total BS, IMHO. While I agree it may be annoying to repeatedly hear about a certain topic or brand name, singling one out over all the others for censorship does not seem to be appropriate. If one oil brand name is inappropriate then all oil brand names should be inappropriate and treated in the same manner.



Perhaps the policy makers should enforce sections of the site guidelines that are clearly being violated by members of this site. Like this one for example:

"Search the Archives: Use the forum search feature or one of the major internet search engines BEFORE you ask your next question. Being asked the same old question over and over is very irritating. By not taking the time to search the archives or make a search of other internet resources BEFORE asking the group is like saying, "my time is more valuable than yours, so I'm just going to ask here instead of looking for it myself"."

Why not sensor, as in delete, every question that has been asked at least a hundred times and could easily be answered by following this site guideline or by looking through the technical section of the site. Of course I am being facetious and don't propose anything like this to ever be done. However I see clear grounds for this kind of censorship based on the site guidelines, whereas I can see no clear connection to the guidelines concerning the censorship of a product brand name.

I have to assume that this censorship is the result of the prejudice of some apparently influential person or persons on this site. Individuals whose dislike of a word supersedes the rights of anyone else to use the word.

Either the claim that there is free flow of information between members of this forum is a lie or people who use or like the not to be mentioned product are not considered members of this forum.

I wonder which it is?


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"Any more it's difficult to get any moisture in your engine unless you have a coolant leak."

Not true. The crankcase of an operating will be mostly full of combustion products from blowby, which are primarily CO2 and water. A positive crankcase ventilation system will flush an operating engine to some extent, but on shutdown, the residual water vapor will condense on the inside surfaces of the crankcase as things cool down.

I think the use of positive crankcase ventilation in new cars is one of the primary reasons for the much longer lived car engines we have today (along with better oils, air cleaners, lead free fuels, etc).
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Next week I should be getting my hands on a bearing test machine, and was going to put some oils through their paces. My intent is to put my current oil of use up against some of those commonly used. I'll be able to run the tests myself, using nothing but Timpken (spelling?) bearings, and hopefully choose oils that don't use chlorine or other destructive additives.
So, if I do this, would anyone want to hear the results, or will I get my butt handed to me? I don't sell anything, I don't promote anything, I just want to see what happens.
It would be interesting to see the results If you can simulate the loading seen by the FD bearing that keeps failing. What would also be a good test would be if you could get a hold of some of the "older" bearings that went into the FD's and some of the newer ones. There has to be a bearing mfg out there that makes a bearing of the same size and specs as the ones in the BMW FD's and a comparo of them would be useful also.
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I'm reading this thread and I can't for the life of me figure out whats going on. A link that doesn't work ,some talk of FD failure,talk of sensorship. What am I missing?
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As far as I remember, know one knows why they fail.

From what I remember of stats and research, no one has access to relevant data to do "meaning-full" stats analysis.

You can tell when spring time is in the air, the oil, oil filter, and tire threads start (along with more reports of rear bearing failures, oil seals leaking, and slave cylinders letting go).
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Never waist a drop when changing fluids, get some on your hands, puddle on the floor ... No problem, rub it on your groin area, increases your manhood.

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I'm reading this thread and I can't for the life of me figure out whats going on. A link that doesn't work ,some talk of FD failure,talk of sensorship. What am I missing?
At the end of this thread there is a list of related threads. Read them & you will find out what is going on.

I do not agree with this censorship. If you don't like what you are reading there is a button on your keyboard with the word "Delete" printed on it. Use it. Or just move on. Or you can block the poster of that offensive word "AMSOI?" Actually, I have added the poster being referred to, to my favorites. Don't know what happens with that. Maybe I will be censored?

Maybe it is just my thinking, but I feel that if you are not part of the "click", you will be ignored. Others on this group can say whatever they want & nothing is said to them. There is one who can't post something in a thread without getting in a sarcastic comment to another,usually newer member. Is he told to stop???? Apparently not. Others just laugh along with him & the offended poster isn't heard from again.

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Maybe it is just my thinking, but I feel that if you are not part of the "click", you will be ignored.
You get that feeling too, huh? But now that the cat's outta the bag you/I will be ostricised.
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Over in 'sub-forums', there's a spot for tires, electronics, ergonomics, etc. Why not a sub-forum for oil? If you want to read about it, go there. If someone posts a product in an inappropriate forum, the mods can move it, as has been done with tires.
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Why not???
Why not indeed.
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OK from what I'm getting from this is someone decided to ban the word ****** on this site?? Just out of curiosity,Why? I enjoy hearing other peoples opinions of different products. I personally use mopar synthetic gear oil just because I get it for free but would consider ****** if I was buying it. Is there something bad about it I don't know about?
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OK from what I'm getting from this is someone decided to ban the word ****** on this site?? Just out of curiosity,Why? I enjoy hearing other peoples opinions of different products. I personally use mopar synthetic gear oil just because I get it for free but would consider ****** if I was buying it. Is there something bad about it I don't know about?
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You got that right. Last time I got sucked into one of these product fights, I was told to shut up and keep my opinions to myself. In retrospect, it was good advice from a mean person.
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What a bun fight ....

Sorry I even dared to mention the 'A' word, for what it's worth I live
in Australia and I don't think the product is widely available
heve, I've never seen it in the stores or advertised. So I certainly
don't have any views about the product or the company.

However Censorship of this type just nuts .... can I say Mobil, BP, Castrol ????

Can I now declare this thread well and truly answered.

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