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LT Sold - Shipping to Canada - Suggestions?

I've sold lots of stuff on eBay, but nothing out of country and nothing quite this big. I've checked on the buyer and do believe he is legit. He has a business. I have verified this by calling back the phone number, and also checking the number in the directory. The buyer seems like an honest person. He and a buddy are buying bikes in California and are having them shipped to their location in Canada together - my LT and a Goldwing. The other bike is within 65 miles of my location as well. The buyers friend has done this before, so the buyer feels comfortable. I've sent him many pictures of the bike and we've talked on the phone a number of times.

Here's how the deal is to go down. He will contact a shipping company (specialist for motorcycles) and escrow company. If I want I can choose the companies. Both will be located in the states. When the escrow company gets the money from the buyer they will send me half right away. Within about 10 days the shipper will arrive at my location with the other half of the money, which I receive after the shipper inspects the bike. I need to supply a clear title and letter from a dealer verifying that all recalls have been performed on the bike - they have. At that point I will wave good-bye to my beloved LT :-(

Not doing this before, and finding this forum my best source for all things motorcycle, does this sound like the best procedure? Any suggestions or things I should be aware of? I would like to protect myself and the buyer on this transaction.
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post #2 of 24 Old Dec 11th, 2005, 7:14 pm
 
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It seems to me that your end is covered (forgive the pun) you get half the money up front and the other half before the bike is loaded, seems like a risk free process. I have purchased two BMW's from sellers in the States including my current LT. As the buyer, I did not have any problems bringing the bikes to Canada, other than dealing with various government departments, and with all the appropriate paperwork in hand things went smoothy albeit slowly.

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I have sold similar to you small things out of the US. However, there are usually customs declarations to complete with the shipping company. It appears that your buyer's agent will handle this. YOU MIGHT CHECK THIS OUT WITH HIM. Also, call you dealer and see what if any experience he has with this type of transaction.

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The letter that your buyer will need regarding the recalls needs to come from BMW not a dealer. I found that BMWNA was very accomodating and faxed the appropriate letter with 30 minutes of talking with them.
Provided you get paid,and it seems that you have that covered, there shouldn't be any problems.
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Make sure you pick the escrow company and the shipper. Make sure you verify the funds are good before you let go of the bike.



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I'd be careful on this one. I buddy of mine got scammed on something similar.
only he was the buyer.
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I'd want to know what happens if the buyer rejects your bike.

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I'm a typical pessimist... the shipping company is going to accept responsibility for verifying the bike is in good condition? I realize that some firms may offer this speciality, but didn't the buyer say you could pick the firm? How does this protect the buyer? Is it typical for shipping firms to offer any type of guarantee service on the goods they examine?
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I had many attempts to buy items under various terms.

Unfortunatley a deal gone bad can cause alot of problems for a long time.

I have responded to these deals with, "Cash works best for me" and haven't
heard back from any of my Serious Buyers.

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"The shipper will bring the other half of the money" ???
This sounds a little weird. I would be very warry of this. Why can't the guy buy a Canadian bike? There are LT's and dealers there.

I would find a more "local" buyer and save yourself some grief...

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I have sold similar to you small things out of the US. However, there are usually customs declarations to complete with the shipping company. It appears that your buyer's agent will handle this. YOU MIGHT CHECK THIS OUT WITH HIM. Also, call you dealer and see what if any experience he has with this type of transaction.
Hi Jack,

I talked with my dealer and he said they ship bikes all the time under these conditions. They do not require the 1/2 down to hold the bike while shipping preparations are being made. They require $1000. I am going to use the same shipper.
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I'd want to know what happens if the buyer rejects your bike.

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I've asked the buyer that. He knows that he must make any objection BEFORE the shipper shows up at my place. The shipper will verify that the bike runs and looks good. I'm not sure how much of an inspection they do, but they specialize in motorcycles, so probably know what to look for. Once the bike leaves my place it's a done deal. The shipper is responsible for any damage or discrepancy. The buyer is going to insure the bike from the time it leaves my place as well.
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I'm a typical pessimist... the shipping company is going to accept responsibility for verifying the bike is in good condition? I realize that some firms may offer this speciality, but didn't the buyer say you could pick the firm? How does this protect the buyer? Is it typical for shipping firms to offer any type of guarantee service on the goods they examine?
From what my dealer said this seems to be typical. The buyer will let me pick the shipper, but I'm sure he will have to comply with my choice. I am glad to make the choices that would protect both of us. I happen to know the buyer is getting what he is paying for, but if I were him I'd be concerned.
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"The shipper will bring the other half of the money" ???
This sounds a little weird. I would be very warry of this. Why can't the guy buy a Canadian bike? There are LT's and dealers there.

I would find a more "local" buyer and save yourself some grief...
Hi Ted,

The buyer and I talked about that. He said LT's are hard to find in his area and if you buy from a dealer they are very expensive. Buying this bike he can save over $4000 Canadian. Also, an older bike will be in worse shape because of road conditions and salt residue. He also said the Canadian $ is doing good against the American $ at this time, so now is a good time to buy.

I'm not sure about all of this, but I've been in Canada and saw what people pay for their goods (which included health insurance). I didn't check on motorcycles, but cars, cameras and electronics sure are expensive there.
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As a Canadian, I've bought two cycles from the U.S. A Yamaha Venture from Ohio and a 2003 K1200LT from California. As Americans have few dealings with their neighbours north of the 49th, they are understandably wary and suspicious of selling to Canadianns, however, it really does work very well. The cross border documentation is the responsibility of the buyer so the seller need not concern himeself with that. Canadians buy a lot of stuff every day from the U.S. so we're more comfortable with that, even though the Canadian buyer is infinitely more at risk of a sour deal than the American seller. My own apprehension would be in buying any bike - from the U.S. or Canada - sight unseen and relying on any third party shipping arrangements, even within the same country.
Have a GREAT experience with your transaction ... and who knows, you may meet a friend you hadn't met before.
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i would be very careful. i also had an email from canada for my lt for sale on this site. i turned him down flat as he could not even write english. i dont know how you can protect yourself totally doing it his way.
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Question Cash in hand...

Just bought an 03 LT last night on eBay. The seller in Pittsburgh wants the money in hand before shipping the bike to Burbank, CA. Why can't you do the same?

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It sounds like you have a decent plan. I personally am very weary of shipping bikes after my one experience. I bought a bike and it was shipped to me. It was damaged when it arrived. Not major damage but the windshield had to be replaced. There were two different shipping companies involved and neither wanted to accept any blame. I had bought insurance and it has a $500 deductible, so it did me no good since the windshield cost less than that to replace.

I would make sure to take plenty of pictures of the bike the day of shipment with proof of the date showing the condition of the bike. Use a newspaper showing the date in some pictures as proof of the date. Then I would insist on a letter signed by the shipping company confirming the condition of the bike before I would allow them to touch it.

I would make it clear to the buyer that once the shipping company takes the bike that it is his property and cannot be returned to you for any reason and I would have to have all of the payment in advance long enough to get any checks cashed and cleared. Including cashiers checks or money orders as there are fakes of them floating around out there.

I would take the same precautions with any shipment of a bike, not just to Canada.

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I just purchased an Lt from Minnesota - I'm in ALberta, Canada.
As far as paperwork is concerned all you have to do is provide a clear title. It is the buyers responsibility to get a "recall notice" from BMW Motorad USA stating all recalls are done. The buyer needs this in order to register the bike in Canada. The title has to be faxed to the border crossing 72 hours prior to the bike leaving the USA. You therefore have 3 days if you hand the title to the shipper.
My advice is - You pick the shipper & make sure you get certified funds from a US bank which you can express clear the day the shipping company picks up the bike - Don't do it on a weekend.
In my experience if the buyer has given you all his info & it checks out then likely you have a legit buyer
I also agree with previous posts - US LT's & Goldwings are way cheaper. Even with exchange & shipping I saved over $5000 compared to Canuck prices. Private sales up here are non-existant.
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I am based in Ireland, so I am not as familiar with how you guys do things, but I think that it sounds very strange. I would also be in favour of "Cash works well". I do not see why you should take any risk, and this sounds messy. If it is a scam, I could imagine that 1) the shipment company will all of a sudden arrive early, before you payment has gone through or else they will arrive and say "oh the payment will come along tomorrow evening".

I would want 100% of the cash cleared and in the bank before I would even agree to inviting someone to my house.

BTW, when I see these adds on mobile.de (you can select english), I sometimes reply for fun. They are typcially selling a bike in London (on a German site) for 50% of its market value. They ask you to send them money to an escrow account yaya. I enjoy playing them along, and then I say, "Guess what, I will be in London tomorrow, so I can pick up the bike and give you all the cash. Usually, that is the last I hear from them.

Another tip, their english is usually terrible.

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"I would want 100% of the cash cleared and in the bank before I would even agree to inviting someone to my house"

I agree 100%.

I find it hard to believe this guy is willing to spend what - $10K? - on a bike he has never seen in person?

If buying a US bike is such a tremendous bargain saving several thousand dollars I sure as heck would jump on a plane for a few hundred bucks and check it out in person - and ride it back this spring! It would cost the same as shipping and be a lot more fun. Let HIM worry about clearing customs and duties or shipping - not your area. Take it to your local BMW dealer for a quick once over for $75.00, fax him the clean bill of health noting the mileage and park it. That would make ME feel comfortable sending you money.

You could certainly request a significant deposit, say $2,500.00 in CASH to hold it for him until the weather is suitable for the ride back. Even if he does not want to ride it back he could take it to your local shipping dock, then fly back. We're only talking 60 days max wait at this time of year. Tell him he needs to pay in full by then or the deal is off and you keep $1,000.00 for your trouble keeping it off the market if he backs out. Pretty fair if you ask me, since he really can't ride it in Canada now anyway.

Don't even think of inviting anyone to your house - meet him in a neutral place like a shopping mall with a friend and get cold hard US CASH. Purchase a cash verification marking pen you can get at any office supply store to know it is REAL.

Oh yeah - NO test rides either unless he wants to jump on the pillion. It could be the last time you see your bike.

There are tons of scams going on right now all over the world with fake money orders, cashiers checks, etc. Meth heads are bonding out of jail in the US with bogus Bank Checks printed on PC's. Why be a potential victim?

Yeah, I'm skeptical - but it is the same way I would handle the deal if the guy lived around the corner. I'm the son of a former FBI agent. I guess it rubbed off on me.

Here in the good ol' USA In God We Trust - and as much as I love Canucks they pay cash too, eh?


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I've sold lots of stuff on eBay, but nothing out of country and nothing quite this big. I've checked on the buyer and do believe he is legit. He has a business. I have verified this by calling back the phone number, and also checking the number in the directory. The buyer seems like an honest person. He and a buddy are buying bikes in California and are having them shipped to their location in Canada together - my LT and a Goldwing. The other bike is within 65 miles of my location as well. The buyers friend has done this before, so the buyer feels comfortable. I've sent him many pictures of the bike and we've talked on the phone a number of times.


Not doing this before, and finding this forum my best source for all things motorcycle, does this sound like the best procedure? Any suggestions or things I should be aware of? I would like to protect myself and the buyer on this transaction.
Gary,
What's wrong with this picture? I live 30 miles from you and I buy a 2003 LT in Pittsburgh while you sell your bike to someone in Canada.
I am working the logistics of flying to PA and ride back.
I wish I knew your bike wasn't sold! I have seen your bike and would have bought it without hesitation.
Maybe your Canadian buyer and I can trade bikes!!!

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What's wrong with this picture? I live 30 miles from you and I buy a 2003 LT in Pittsburgh while you sell your bike to someone in Canada.
I am working the logistics of flying to PA and ride back.
I wish I knew your bike wasn't sold! I have seen your bike and would have bought it without hesitation.
Maybe your Canadian buyer and I can trade bikes!!!
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DONT DO IT.If they want the bike they came come get it with cash in hand or a representative also with cash in hand,I wouldnt do anything without the money in hand
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