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O.K. guys, I'm just ignorant not stupid and not having an owners manual doesn't help. But where is the engine oil filler cap located?

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Oil fill cap and sight glass

Right side of bike down low looking through an opening in the right side plastic.
You need a funnel to get oil in and a flashlight to see the oil sight glass.
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Fill to about 1/2 to 2/3 covering the sight glass. 1/2 is fine but I run mine at about 2/3.. it's a 2005.

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BTW, check the oil on the centerstand, fill the fuel on the sidestand.
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Have you found the rear trunk mirror yet?

One day I noticed the funny lookin bolt, discovered it was loose, and went to tighten it.

Vuala! A hidden mirror!

It took a while before I learned that the fluid behind the glass in my saddle bake was for the cooling system.

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Thanks everyone. Found the mirror right away, and the filler for the antifreeze, but I was looking all over the bike today for a traditional oil cap. If I hadn't broke down and revealed my ignorance, I'd still be looking.

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If I hadn't broke down and revealed my ignorance, I'd still be looking.

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Don't worry, you've joined a bunch of ignorant folks here! I lead the Central East Coast Ignoramous Chapter Ya can't learn without asking questions. Welcome to the zoo!

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!!!!! DO NOT OVER FILL!!!!!!!! ........Regards Pete
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Ask a stupid question, and appear a fool for one minute.
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Hey Gene, How much tupperware do you have to remove to find a oil filler cap on a H-60??

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Fill to about 1/2 to 2/3 covering the sight glass. 1/2 is fine but I run mine at about 2/3.. it's a 2005.
Ok guys this thread was started by a newbie. In my soap box.

Wonder how you can measure how much oil goes into your motorcycle via the sight glass? 1/2? 2/3?.

The "manufacturer" of this motorcyle design, built, tested this engine to run with 4 quarts of oil. Done, That's it, I don't care how cooler, hotter, lighter, heavier the bike will run with .71 or .69, or even .00000003 quarts less in the engine. When telling someone new how much oil to put in would it not be safer, easier and a lot less 1/2? 2/3? measuring of a sight glass you can't even reach, if they just put what the "manufacturer" tells them to.

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Wonder how you can measure how much oil goes into your motorcycle via the sight glass? 1/2? 2/3?.

The "manufacturer" of this motorcyle design, built, tested this engine to run with 4 quarts of oil. Done, That's it, I don't care how cooler, hotter, lighter, heavier the bike will run with .71 or .69, or even .00000003 quarts less in the engine. When telling someone new how much oil to put in would it not be safer, easier and a lot less 1/2? 2/3? measuring of a sight glass you can't even reach, if they just put what the "manufacturer" tells them to.
Ah, if life were always so simple.

BMW didn't design this bike around the concept of 4.0000 qts of oil in the crankcase (and if they did design for a specific oil quantity, wouldn't you expect it to be in liters, as in 4.0000 L)?). Besides, after the initial fill, you'd never know how much is in the crankcase, even if you put 4.0000 qts in, due to the residual left behind when the cranckcase has drained. People attach far too much significance to specific numbers without considering either the objective or the tolerance range surrounding the specified quantity. In fact, "just put in 4 qts" during an oil change will, on many (most?) bikes result in the oil level being out-of-sight high.

A far better indication of what BMW "designed" the engine for is built into the side of the engine -- a sight glass that includes BMW's desired oil level within its indicating range. You won't find much better proof that BMW doesn't want a specific volumetric quantity thrown in without regard to the actual engine needs. Instead, they want you to ensure the oil level is within a specific range, defined by the sight glass, i.e., within a +/- tolerance represented by the top and bottom of the circle in the sight glass.

So, the original suggestion of 1/2-2/3 of the sight glass remains good newbie guidance (particularly for new engines, which will burn off a bit of oil during the first 10-15K miles of break-in -- 2/3 provides a bit more "buffer" in case the newbie doesn't check the level often).

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Hey Gene, How much tupperware do you have to remove to find a oil filler cap on a H-60??
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Easy. Open the engine cowling door and there is a big yellow oil filter cap marked 7.6 quarts. Believe it or not there is even a sight guage on each side of the oil tank reservior. If only the LT was as simple as the H-60.

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Easy. Open the engine cowling door and there is a big yellow oil filter cap marked 7.6 quarts. Believe it or not there is even a sight guage on each side of the oil tank reservior. If only the LT was as simple as the H-60.

Gene
I have to remind myself everytime I go to the LT where the site glass is. Keep on training our trrops. BTW, Pavehawk is the Air Force Air Rescue Unit right?? Or at least that's the only one I remember being called "Pavehawk".

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The Pavehawk is the Air Force version of the Army Blackhawk. Primary differences are in-flight refueling, hoist capability and upgraded avionics. Up until about 2 years or so ago you had Rescue Units and Special Ops units. Now all Air Force helicopters come under Special Ops(even though they still perform rescue). I'm an instructor at Kirtland AFB, NM which is the "schoohouse" for the helicopters and the 130 fixed wing. I am strictly an H-60 instructor. Previously have flown on the Huey (H-1), Super Jolly Green (H-53) and the Jolly Green (H-3). H-3 and H-60 being my favorite. Hope I didn't ramble too much in answering your question.

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Hope I didn't ramble too much in answering your question.

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No Sir! Being an Air Force Retired Dependent and Air Force myself, '71 to '76, I appreciate the extra info. Train them well!

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