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LT without problems?

I read about the catastrophic and expensive failures of the LT on this forum. This leaves me wondering if any of you have owned an LT for many years and miles without major failures. Please tell me yes...

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I'm on my second LT. No major problems with either one.

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Yes, many people have. Some people have had problems with their LTs, too. Most fix them and just keep riding.

Usually when I see a thread like this I kinda blast the guy who starts it because it's a level of whining I just don't tolerate well. You caught me on a good day, so I'm just going to share a few thoughts.

Motorcycles are machines.

Machines break.

Motorcycling is a passion.

Passion outweighs a lot of things, as we all will spend more money, time energy, etc. on things we are passionate about than rational thought would generally allow.

If you're passion for motorcycling cannot get you past the fact that motorcycles will have problems, get out of the sport.

Otherwise, ride your bike, enjoy the experience, love the time you spend doing it, stop, take in the sights, then repeat.

Fretting over what might happen is a waste of life, which is already too short.

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I have a 1999 LTi that is # 107 US model, a press bike used in the intro of the LT. It has 135550 miles with the single failure of a leaking steering dampner that I replaced myself (2 bolts). Twice it failed to start when the line from the fuel pump came off. I removed the tank and replaced the filter and clamps. I do all my own maintenance, use BMW oil with moly disulfide added with each oil change to the rear drive. Brake pads have lasted 85K front and rear. tires metzler 880 last 18k to 25K . After the LT came out of the warrenty period I changed the motor oil to mobile one and changed all fluids at 10K. It gives 50 mpg in all warm weather operations and has given 60+ on several tanks at altitude. I carry a set of shift linkage, never used it. I have two complete rear drives in my garage in shipping boxes with the special tools that can be overnighted anywhere, never needed them. Its on battery #2 and is on a tender. I can leave for the west coast tomorrow without worry.
Everything works. Its the best motorcycle Ive owned 56 years of riding. I just purchased a 2007 K1200GT and will sell the LT later this spring. I have a hip replacement and can no longer pickup the LT if it falls over, I will really miss it.
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Yes, many people have. Some people have had problems with their LTs, too. Most fix them and just keep riding.

Usually when I see a thread like this I kinda blast the guy who starts it because it's a level of whining I just don't tolerate well. You caught me on a good day, so I'm just going to share a few thoughts.

Motorcycles are machines.

Machines break.

Motorcycling is a passion.

Passion outweighs a lot of things, as we all will spend more money, time energy, etc. on things we are passionate about than rational thought would generally allow.

If you're passion for motorcycling cannot get you past the fact that motorcycles will have problems, get out of the sport.

Otherwise, ride your bike, enjoy the experience, love the time you spend doing it, stop, take in the sights, then repeat.

Fretting over what might happen is a waste of life, which is already too short.
This is a good day?

I'm like David though. It's a machine just fix it and ride. I've had two clutch replacements at approx $1500 a repair and a FD replacement at about $1000. It's the price of ownership. Would I ride something else. Nope!

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2 answers with no problems and two saying it is a machine, it breaks, live with it.

If you had a car that had final drive failures, seals leaking clutches failing at less than 40K miles, etc.. would you still be happy?

Just asking a question?

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I've only had my 05 2 1/2 years and just about zero problems. The Bridgestones that came on the bike sucked and the dealer replaced the rear wheel because we didn't know if the scratch that was there was a crack or not. I do my own oil changes the dealer does everything else. The service cost has been very reasonable, never have gotten ripped off and when it's there I get a new BMW for a loner. Although I might start looking for a second lighter bike I have no plans of selling this one. The love affair that started on day one is just as strong today!
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2 answers with no problems and two saying it is a machine, it breaks, live with it.

If you had a car that had final drive failures, seals leaking clutches failing at less than 40K miles, etc.. would you still be happy?

Just asking a question?

Roy
I have had a '99,trouble-free for 46k miles.
An '03 with a new clutch at 5k,rear at 36k,rear at 47k.
I don't know of a car out there that will bring a smile to my heart as well as the LT does.

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2 answers with no problems and two saying it is a machine, it breaks, live with it.

If you had a car that had final drive failures, seals leaking clutches failing at less than 40K miles, etc.. would you still be happy?

Just asking a question?

Roy
BTDT and yes after it was fixed I was happy!!!! It's still just a machine.

OBTW, I had 124,000 miles on the LT that had all those repairs. Just to put things in the correct perspective.

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Buy it... ride it... enjoy it...

Motorcycling is a "relationship"... you either love it or you don't. "If I have to explain, you'll never understand."... that sorta thing.

Occasionally folks have a "high maintenance" relationship... from an "outside perspective", while they may be happy in that relationship, it's just diamonds, diamonds, diamonds.

From all the bikes I've owned, the LT is more expensive... not exactly what I expected. However, the "wow" factor explains it all...

So, when it needs fixin' I fix it or have it fixed.

It is interesting how I personally find that I want to have "less" to worry about in my life, that I expect my "choices" in life to give me more "stability"... but that isn't realistic to expect from people or things they build.... I do HOPE..and follow proper maintenance techniques... that's all we can do.

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Yeah, It's true all machines breakdown. BUT some more than others. Example would be Toyota and Honda's reliability as compared to other cars. So while we have passion for our sport there are expectations from our machines. I was drawn to BMW because of their reputation for reliability. And yes while I enjoy riding the LT I have been very disappointed by BMWs so called legendary reliability.
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I've had 3 lt's. The only real problems have been dealer induced. I have had a couple of shocks fail over the years but nothing like the old Nivomats. Ortherwise, all 3 have been good bikes. Current ride is on 05 that I had Dave Clark in St.Louis go over. Can't say that I've lost any sleep worrying about something happening.
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Yeah, It's true all machines breakdown. BUT some more than others. Example would be Toyota and Honda's reliability as compared to other cars. So while we have passion for our sport there are expectations from our machines. I was drawn to BMW because of their reputation for reliability. And yes while I enjoy riding the LT I have been very disappointed by BMWs so called legendary reliability.
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I read about the catastrophic and expensive failures of the LT on this forum. This leaves me wondering if any of you have owned an LT for many years and miles without major failures. Please tell me yes...
2000 K1200LT with 60,000+ miles. No catastrophic failures. Just preventive maintainence.
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2000 K1200LT.....75,000 miles.

One roadside failure, 1 block from my house...shift linkage.
6 dollar part, I installed it no problem.
No other failures...It runs like a top!! I love this bike!!
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have ever owned. I have owned HD, Gold Wings, Triumph, Norton, and BMW.
As far as cost of maintenance, MCN did a comparo a while back, on maintenance costs on an Ultra, Gold Wing, and LT over a 75000 mile period. HD was the most expensive to maintain, the GW next and LT most cost effective. The GW and LT were close, but LT was the cheapest, if memory serves me right..
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99 with 51K Alaska and back no problems.

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I have an 02 LT and other than service items no problems just a lot of good times. If you spend your time on web sites for any make you will hear of all the problems and the fixes. It is the old story one unhappy person ever one hears about it. 200 happy people not a sound. Yes BMWs' break and are not perfection and when mine breaks it will get fixed just like every other vehicle I have owned. I do think BMW has made a great bike!
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Yes, many people have. Some people have had problems with their LTs, too. Most fix them and just keep riding.

Usually when I see a thread like this I kinda blast the guy who starts it because it's a level of whining I just don't tolerate well. You caught me on a good day, so I'm just going to share a few thoughts.

Motorcycles are machines.

Machines break.

Motorcycling is a passion.

Passion outweighs a lot of things, as we all will spend more money, time energy, etc. on things we are passionate about than rational thought would generally allow.

If you're passion for motorcycling cannot get you past the fact that motorcycles will have problems, get out of the sport.

Otherwise, ride your bike, enjoy the experience, love the time you spend doing it, stop, take in the sights, then repeat.

Fretting over what might happen is a waste of life, which is already too short.
Wow! What a response... I just love forums. Thank you for passionate feelings, and certainly thank you for not "blasting" me. It is nice to know that I have, maybe, one chance in five of making 100,000 miles without spending thousands of bucks on poorly engineered BMW motorcycle parts.
I'll keep my fingers crossed and my wallet close by.

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[QUOTE=cfmpilot]I read about the catastrophic and expensive failures of the LT on this forum. This leaves me wondering if any of you have owned an LT for many years and miles without major failures. Please tell me yes...[/QUOTE


Have had my 99' for the last 40,000 miles carefree with no problems. Original owner put on 18,000 with no issues at all.
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I've had an 01 and an 05 with approximately 60K between them. So far no major problems. I'm a little older and am a fairly conservative rider. I must admit I have cranked the the throttle a time or two or three or too may times to remember. The biggest issue I have is - work gets in the way of riding!

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2002, 93000 miles. A ABS sensor the 1st year, and wet radio. Thats it.
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05' 24k miles on it, only mechanical problem has been a trans out put seal under warranty. Best road bike I have ever owned in 43 yrs of riding.

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Motorcycles are machines.

Machines break.

Motorcycling is a passion.

Passion outweighs a lot of things, as we all will spend more money, time energy, etc. on things we are passionate about than rational thought would generally allow.

If you're passion for motorcycling cannot get you past the fact that motorcycles will have problems, get out of the sport.

<snip>
Fretting over what might happen is a waste of life, which is already too short.
David, (& others),
Generally, I tend to agree with everything you said. However, do you think that all of the people who got tired of BMW's BS and switched to 'Wings or FJRs are any less passionate? Could it be that the opposite is true; that they are more passionate, and would rather be riding than repairing their bikes, (or waiting for them to be repaired)?

Why is it that BMW cannot make a motorcycle as reliable as the other brands?

Why is it that BMW ignores serious problems?

I have been a staunch supporter of BMW through all of the bull surrounding the FD failure issue for years, but I'm beginning to doubt my own sanity.

I'm sorry, but just saying "Machines break" and "If you're passion for motorcycling cannot get you past the fact that motorcycles will have problems, get out of the sport" just doesn't cut it for me anymore.

Maybe, instead of just continuing to buy BMWs, enforcing thier crappy attitude, we should all show up at their, (BMWs execs), pool party in Daytona next month and cram a few failed final drives up their asses!




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Man don't hold back on us, tell us how you really feel

Although I wish every failed FD could be gathered and dumped off a truck in front of one of these events

Have every bike rag you can find on hand to document it and then see what the reaction is

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David, (& others),
Generally, I tend to agree with everything you said. However, do you think that all of the people who got tired of BMW's BS and switched to 'Wings or FJRs are any less passionate? Could it be that the opposite is true; that they are more passionate, and would rather be riding than repairing their bikes, (or waiting for them to be repaired)?

Why is it that BMW cannot make a motorcycle as reliable as the other brands?

Why is it that BMW ignores serious problems?

I have been a staunch supporter of BMW through all of the bull surrounding the FD failure issue for years, but I'm beginning to doubt my own sanity.

I'm sorry, but just saying "Machines break" and "If you're passion for motorcycling cannot get you past the fact that motorcycles will have problems, get out of the sport" just doesn't cut it for me anymore.

Maybe, instead of just continuing to buy BMWs, enforcing thier crappy attitude, we should all show up at their, (BMWs execs), pool party in Daytona next month and cram a few failed final drives up their asses!




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I don't chime in as much as most on this forum do to time constraints and priorities. It gets in the way of my riding time. Purchased my first BMW, an 02 LT with 3200 miles on the clock. It now has 20000 and some change. Not even a hiccup since clipping the brown wire. Best scooter I have ever owned, one up or 2up. Wife loves the Colorado Trips now! I have been riding since 8 years of age and am on the threshold of 52 years young. Raced with my kids for 10 of those riding years competitively. You know ( the older I get the faster I was sort of thing).
Anyway, back to the subject, I love this scooter. It may break, If it does, I'll fix it. Only other scooters I would consider at this time would be the new K1200GT or the new RT. My neighbor has my next GT in his garage and is farkling it just the way I like it. All he needs to do is screw up and decide to sell it and its mine. Well maybe! My wife made me reduce the inventory from 4 scooters to 2 just this last fall. Will I sell the LT? Nope! I'll sell the Harley if I have to, but not the LT.
Every time I take the LT for a spin I always tell my wife to never let me sell it.
I looked at several options and rode many miles before the LT. None does it better for me 2up and I would like to ride the GT long distance to make up my mind about 1up long rides. Ideal would be 3 scooters.
Yeah, I still love my old carbureted Fatboy. Still a beautiful bike! My Harley friends just don't get it.They refuse to give the LT a chance. It must be a cult thing that I refuse to be sucked into.
These guys on this board will steer you right. A lot of info. There are a lot of us who have never had a problem, that spectate, and don't chime in.
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2 answers with no problems and two saying it is a machine, it breaks, live with it.

If you had a car that had final drive failures, seals leaking clutches failing at less than 40K miles, etc.. would you still be happy?

Just asking a question?

Roy
If I had the same passion about driving the car as I do about motorcycling, absolutely. Cars fill a more utilitarian need for me, probably as they do for most folks. If they cease to provide the utility I bought them for, through failures or other reasons, I wouldn't keep it. I'm sure the boys on the Porsche and Ferrari forums bitch and whine about their cars breaking (because I know they do break, they're machines, and highly strung ones at that), but they keep fixing and driving them.

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I agree on the differences of a car/utility and a bike/luxury.

However when you start out on a trip on a bike it then becomes utility with the same expectations as your car.

This is where my whole buyer remorse came in when I bought this bike.

To the point I almost sold it, did not because of the financial hit I would have taken, and pissed a very nice person off in the process.

Now I got a 3 year warranty and know I am supposed to not sweat it and fix it if it breaks.

Well what happens when it breaks with no dealer even close? I will be faced with the expense of getting it somewhere. And then all the hassles after that. All on a bike that was well over 21K

To have any hope of piece of mind I had to buy a used FD for 400 bucks, even though I have a warranty, how can I travel and not have a backup part of the most flawed issue the LT has? To me it is like a tire plugger or an air pump, just need to have it. It is boxed with the tq wrench, 30 MM and printed instructions to change to be overnighted where I might be.

Now I accept this to a point for a few reasons.

I just love the bike. All aspects, power, handling, weather protection, and most of all looks.

Also for the fact that I have an 07 with that warranty.

And I have not heard of any 06-07-08 LT's failing.

But that is my quandary. Guys get them replaced and repaired and they go out very quickly. Now the repair is a big issue from what I read as to the shimming process and free play setting.

But what about the new replaced that fail back to back? Is that because they are using what are older, in the pipe line parts? Are they different then the current production units? It would seem logical that if you replace a FD with what is being manufactured and put on 06-08 bikes, wouldn't these be failing too?

I only have 6000 on mine but I know others on new LT's got more then that so shouldn't it have shown up by now?

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I love my 2003 LT and have enjoyed every one of the 75000 miles I have put on it. It's time to replace the shocks and I had a radio replaced under warranty long ago. HOWEVER..... I would be foolish to not consider the final drive might fail me on the way to Daytona this year and have had to add putting the bike on the center stand and shaking the rear wheel at every fuel stop to my routine. Some days I'm OK with that and some days I wonder why I put up with it.

I have over a half a million miles on (mostly shaft drive) motorcycles and have had a u-joint go out on a Suzuki Cavalcade one time. 55000 miles I think. Some days I wonder if I am foolish riding a $20,0000 dollar motorcycle that I am not certain will reach my destination and is likely to have limited dealer support.

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02 for 5 years. One FDF, but well done by BMW; we were impressed. After the 02 was totalled, no doubt what was to replace it. Thot the 02 was the best bike I'd ever owned. Hmmm. Maybe the 07 is. <BG> This big guy can DANCE!

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I have on '05 with just under 34,000 miles on it. I bought in August '06 with 18,000. The bike was dealer maintained and has been since. For me the bike is used everyday as a means of transport, not necessarily enjoyment, though it is. The issues I've had so far are:

1) Battery replacement

2) Front/Rear tire replacement

3) Tank latch hinge pin coming out

4) Tank latch lock sticking when locked electronically

5) Vanity lid hinge in trunk breaking

6) Audio system not working until reinitialized by disconnecting battery

7) Rear brake rotor loose, rattling, and squealing

8) Hydraulic center stand failing

Overall, mostly just wear and tear items except for #7 and 8. Right now it looks like the hydraulic center stand will cost over $1000 to repair.

A good bike, but with some issues.
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I bought the bike with 1,000 miles in 02 and it now has about 35,000 miles. No problems and it seems to get better every day. Best bike I've ever owned and 99% of my riding is one up.

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Hi All
I am new to this forum and new 1200LT owner. The problem with forums like this is that owners that have had problems are ready to tell everybody because it helps get it out their system and or they need advice.
On the other hand owners that have had no problems rarely share with others that they have had no problems. So new owners get over panicky about what could happen.
Keep in mind that the biggest number of 1200 LT owners are out riding and have had no big issues and only a small percentage have had major issues. Not taking away from the owners that have had issues as Im sure its very frustrating.
You know a small percentage of people have heart attacks. Yet I do now walk around wondering if I will have one or keep a spare in the freezer just in case.
I and most probably bought an LT knowing that there is a small percentage of bikes with problems. Just like when you buy a car or a Honda Goldwing or anything else that is made by man. There is no 100 percent guarantee that any mechanical item we buy is going to be trouble free. S--T happens.
Its the price we pay for the enjoyment of riding the best bike in our opinion.
With that comes a gamble. Do not bet unless you are willing to loose.
If my bike craps out I will fix it or have it fixed and jump back on it.
Also if you buy a BMW but do not have a dealer close buy-Didnt you know that before buying it?Thats just a risk you decided on taking, so why gripe now? Just do what you have to and get back on it and ride!!!
Just my 2 cents worth and probably worth every cent.
Note: Im not talking about this thread but about forums in general.

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Greetings all.

My '99 LT here in Australia has been impeccably behaved since I purchased her. She has covered an easy 55000 kilometres without a problem. She gets the best service available and I ride her like I didn't steal her.

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  • 1999 LT - 60,000 miles - 0 problems of any kind
  • 2002 LT - 30,000 miles - 0 problems of any kind
  • 2005 LT - 10,000 miles - 0 problems of any kind. Sold to a fellow list member in 2006 and I believe he still hasn't had any problem.

In fact - between my wife and I, 13 new or used BMW motorcycles over the last ten years, covering more than 130,000 miles with one problem, ever. The EWS ring antenna on my 2007 GS failed in the middle of the Yukon Territory last summer. It was logistically difficult, but BMW took care of everything. While I was inconvenienced by the failure, there were things that happened as a result of that failure that ended up making my adventure more fulfilling. The best parts of any adventure usually happen as a result of things you don't plan.

Conversely my 1995 GoldWing left me stranded twice while under warranty. The reverse interlock failed leaving the starter inoperative, then later that same summer, the alternator failed on a lonesome stretch of road in Utah - at night. This in spite of the fact that the GL1500 has a reputation of being 'bulletproof'. This is not meant as a dig, as I do know that the GoldWings are generally reliable. I said it more to illustrate that it doesn't matter what you read or hear about any vehicle, your personal experience is all that counts.

I have absolutely no concerns about heading out on any adventure on any BMW I currently own or have owned.

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Also if you buy a BMW but do not have a dealer close buy-Didnt you know that before buying it?Thats just a risk you decided on taking, so why gripe now?
Got three dealers within 60 miles of home. Home is not what I am worried about. It is on a trip I worry, I just want to get home, warranty or not.

Even if I broke down in front of a dealer, I like the option of having the most vulnerable part of the LT an Over Night away.

Not a gripe really, just stating what has allowed me to get past the phobia of this well documented flaw of LT's, and allows me to truly enjoy it for the machine is.

Hell a 400 dollar 0 mile drive off an 08 bike from Flea Bay is really nothing in the scheme of things in how this bike has parted my money from me.

Between the 4 piece Corbin, the J-Pegs, the Garmin 2820, the Centec Fuse panel, the Jiffy Tite Alum QD, the C-Bailey #2 -6 Clear and Ice Blue, the upgraded shifter linkage from a person on this site, the Slave Cylinder weep hole kit from another member, EBC rear rotor and pads, Grip Puppies, Big Daddy Tie downs, Floor Jack, Suburban Peg Lowering kit, upgraded rear speakers, and the Three Piece Hyper Pro Shock/Steering upgrade, it is nothing more then a ripple in a very large pond of money.

That does not bother me in the least as I choose to spend that money.

Getting home off the side of the road is my #1 concern. I hope I never have to use that package. All I need to do is drill a weep hole to help save the clutch, and ride a bunch of miles to get some faith in the bike.

And if it ever becomes technologically and monetarily feasible that I can keep a spare heart in the old freezer, you can bet I will.

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Mine is a 2005 K12LT, 58,000 no problem of any kind including no warranty issues. I am sure mine is like the vast majority of BMW K1200LT's. My wife and I ride two up, lots of luggage. Bike has been to east coast and west to Montana.

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And yes while I enjoy riding the LT I have been very disappointed by BMWs so called legendary reliability.
I am certainly not trying to be argumentative, but I do not recall ever seeing BMW promoting their products as having 'legendary reliability'. I think many BMW owners put forth that myth as part of their brand snobbery. The reputation that has always appealed to me about BMWs is longevity. Almost all of them will last a long time, probably longer than many of their counterparts. I also like many of the design and engineering features of BMW motorcycles. Some of their engineering choices are questionable, but most of it is very good.

Longevity is a somewhat nebulous thing, if it requires too many repairs along the way. I am reminded of a story my father used to tell about a gentleman who wrote a letter to Sears, telling them they made a wonderful axe. He said it had given him 25 years of excellent service, needing only three heads and two handles.

That said, I remain amazed at how inept BMW has been at addressing the rear drive failures. They could have addressed the failures in any number of ways, at the very least offering some peace of mind through a warranty extension. If what I have been told is true, a production change has drastically mitigated the numbers of failures since the 2002 model year. If that is true, they should certainly create a service action to correct those earlier models. I am also surprised that the NHTSA has not addressed the fact that many of these failures will dump gear oil on a rear tire. If that were to happen going into a 70mph sweeper, it could get really ugly. Regardless of when it happens, oil dumped on a motorcycle tire, while in motion, constitutes a real hazard - something the NHTSA should be on top of immediately.

Unconfirmed rumors hold that the real cause of the rear drive failures is due to third party vendors supplying improperly specified parts. Some of these rumors point to Chinese outsourcing of entire rear drive assemblies. If any of that is true it is all the more reason BMW should suck it up and take care of the problem.

There were also rumors last year that BMW (Motorrad USA) had a plan to address buyers' concerns about rear drives. So far those rumors have failed to materialize. With the shakeup at the top of BMW Motorrad USA recently, they may need to get the new management in place before they launch any new programs. Who knows whether it will be more of the silence we have gotten thus far or if they will finally do something to address this key area impacting consumer confidence.

I have had great luck with my BMWs and I do still feel that they are very reliable, but not of 'legendary' status. Take the rear drive failures out of the equation and they look a lot better.

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I am certainly not trying to be argumentative, but I do not recall ever seeing BMW promoting their products as having 'legendary reliability'. I think many BMW owners put forth that myth as part of their brand snobbery. The reputation that has always appealed to me about BMWs is longevity. Almost all of them will last a long time, probably longer than many of their counterparts. I also like many of the design and engineering features of BMW motorcycles. Some of their engineering choices are questionable, but most of it is very good.

Longevity is a somewhat nebulous thing, if it requires too many repairs along the way. I am reminded of a story my father used to tell about a gentleman who wrote a letter to Sears, telling them they made a wonderful axe. He said it had given him 25 years of excellent service, needing only three heads and two handles.

That said, I remain amazed at how inept BMW has been at addressing the rear drive failures. They could have addressed the failures in any number of ways, at the very least offering some peace of mind through a warranty extension. If what I have been told is true, a production change has drastically mitigated the numbers of failures since the 2002 model year. If that is true, they should certainly create a service action to correct those earlier models. I am also surprised that the NHTSA has not addressed the fact that many of these failures will dump gear oil on a rear tire. If that were to happen going into a 70mph sweeper, it could get really ugly. Regardless of when it happens, oil dumped on a motorcycle tire, while in motion, constitutes a real hazard - something the NHTSA should be on top of immediately.

Unconfirmed rumors hold that the real cause of the rear drive failures is due to third party vendors supplying improperly specified parts. Some of these rumors point to Chinese outsourcing of entire rear drive assemblies. If any of that is true it is all the more reason BMW should suck it up and take care of the problem.

There were also rumors last year that BMW (Motorrad USA) had a plan to address buyers' concerns about rear drives. So far those rumors have failed to materialize. With the shakeup at the top of BMW Motorrad USA recently, they may need to get the new management in place before they launch any new programs. Who knows whether it will be more of the silence we have gotten thus far or if they will finally do something to address this key area impacting consumer confidence.

I have had great luck with my BMWs and I do still feel that they are very reliable, but not of 'legendary' status. Take the rear drive failures out of the equation and they look a lot better.

I think you are looking for arguments. I have a dodge caravan that had 5, yes 5 trans go on us in 1 year. They finally solved the problem after good dealer work with Chrysler. Guess what we still have it with 150000 because it does what I need it to do. The same with my bike, it is so perfect for me and my SO it would have to explode for me not to keep riding her.
I remember in the 70's how BMW were the best in all magazines. I personnaly saw at least 2 or three when I was a baby biker with Bmws over 100k miles.
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Have 36K mi on my 05. No problems.

FYI My 03 CLC side stand was strong enough to hold me and My SO at rest. My neighbors 03 CLC is just as strong and they both have 150 pounds total on us. The 04 on the other hand could not even hold itself up. wrong mix, cured at wrong temp, who knows. Purchased extended warranty for my peace of mind that covers unlimited miles and no exceptions or deductions to 2013.

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This is a good day?

I'm like David though. It's a machine just fix it and ride. I've had two clutch replacements at approx $1500 a repair and a FD replacement at about $1000. It's the price of ownership. Would I ride something else. Nope!

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cfmpilot,,,,, Don't worry about the reliability of BMW..... They are good high quality bikes...... Every bit as good as any other brand and allot better than some.....

And do not listen to the ol tails about how old BMW's could go forever....
They require allot of maintenence...They are just simple to work on and if you work on one for 25 years you should be able to keep it running......
Remember,, there are allot more old Harley's running than there are old BMW's,, that doesn't make them better than new, just more people know how to fix them...

cfmpilot if the older ones were truly better they would still be making them

Life is WAY to short to worry about petty stuff,,, just go ride!!!!..........

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I read about the catastrophic and expensive failures of the LT on this forum. This leaves me wondering if any of you have owned an LT for many years and miles without major failures. Please tell me yes...

wish I could say yes, I can't, in fact i can't say yes to my lt or our RT, I can say in the `1st 54k miles it had its share of major issues, abs, rear oil seal, final drive, and a few minor problems, 100k later its been a good bike
odo has 154k on it now its a 2002

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I have a 1999 LTi that is # 107 US model, a press bike used in the intro of the LT. It has 135550 miles with the single failure of a leaking steering dampner that I replaced myself (2 bolts). Twice it failed to start when the line from the fuel pump came off. I removed the tank and replaced the filter and clamps. I do all my own maintenance, use BMW oil with moly disulfide added with each oil change to the rear drive. Brake pads have lasted 85K front and rear. tires metzler 880 last 18k to 25K . After the LT came out of the warrenty period I changed the motor oil to mobile one and changed all fluids at 10K. It gives 50 mpg in all warm weather operations and has given 60+ on several tanks at altitude. I carry a set of shift linkage, never used it. I have two complete rear drives in my garage in shipping boxes with the special tools that can be overnighted anywhere, never needed them. Its on battery #2 and is on a tender. I can leave for the west coast tomorrow without worry.
Everything works. Its the best motorcycle Ive owned 56 years of riding. I just purchased a 2007 K1200GT and will sell the LT later this spring. I have a hip replacement and can no longer pickup the LT if it falls over, I will really miss it.
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More stuff has gone wrong with me than with my 2005 LT. The bike and I have an agreement - I'm keeping it and it is keeping me.

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Bought new in 03....108,865 miles no big problems......
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