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VERY poor at slow speed!!! I got worked out!

Yesterday afternoon I got caught up in the Shuttle traffic after the launch. I rode aprox 3 miles at under 5mph across the causway. It was like trying to keep up with a todler after candy!! I had both hands on the grips and tried to keep it straight but honestly could not keep it going in a straight line. I was working the bars left and right just to keep balance. I was so glad I was not 2-up! I have rode lots of bikes over the years but other than the 95 K1100Lt this is the biggest one so far. It is a great bike at any speed over 25mph!
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Shirly that is what the white line is for - the guide to where to ride between the cars!
Aparently one of the funniest sights around is following a K1200lt filtering. Makes my buddies laugh anyway

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I like that cook1e! I did keep it between the lines
I found out that my cooling fans work. I had not heard them come on prior to that.

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I like that cook1e! I did keep it between the lines
I found out that my cooling fans work. I had not heard them come on prior to that.
No - the line are for the cars to keep between - the bike rides ON the line and can therefore go twice as fast as the cars. Is that legal there?

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Cook1e,
Not legal here. But I admit I did think about it! Actually it's prob not a good idea here because these Blue hairs and the tourist pay no attention to bikes!

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Has to be one of the greatest advantages to motorbike riding, filetering.

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That's lane splitting here. Illegal in most places.

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I guess I'm gonna have to see this! I've heard of it but some reason I only pictured sport bikes. A K12LT would be a hoot to see Filtering!

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This guy knows what he is doing - starts at 1.45 - at 2.00 you will start to think he is mad - but he is an advanced rider
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=P9PcwqE8GME

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Looks like he was well in control, no stupid speed. One difference is the cars were giving him space, here they would try to block you .

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This guy knows what he is doing - starts at 1.45 - at 2.00 you will start to think he is mad - but he is an advanced rider
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=P9PcwqE8GME
Yeah, he's a retired bike cop(instructor) and now a senior IAM instructor. He's a member on one of the other forums I plague, and posts some very informative stuff there.

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Looks like he was well in control, no stupid speed. One difference is the cars were giving him space, here they would try to block you .
Some do try to block you, but they dont manage oit for long!
If you have your lights on here and wear dayglo, cars can get out of the way quite quick. I have had whole lanes empty when I have left my hazaeds on by 'mistake'.

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I had both hands on the grips and tried to keep it straight but honestly could not keep it going in a straight line.
The key to low speed handling is to relax and keep a gentle grip on the bars. You should be able to ride at slower than walking pace when you get it sussed. I didn't think I would be able to do it, but now even in traffic, it is rare that I have to put my feet down. Practice makes perfect, you will get there.

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Lane Splitting

Lane splitting and filtering are both legal here in California. I went into Los Angeles last week and found the LT to be reasonably agile in splitting lanes. Have to watch out for the soccer mom's and their oversized SUV's.

When Ronald Reagan died, they closed the freeway when they brought his body back for burial. When they reopened it, all the motorcycles that had filtered forward through the traffic while waiting looked like a bike honor guard following the procession.

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I was doing ok for a lil while at 5mph but as the clock aproached 45 min of this, I was ready to pull over and wait it out. The only problem was I had a appointment to get to and could not wait. The traffic was moving slower than the bike would go at idle in 1st gear. It actually wanted to buck a lil going that slow. I kept having to pull the clutch to slow down but they would not go slow enough for me to stop and put my foot down.

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I have had that in London, I just stop, open a gap and catch up. You need a good set of lights at the back! And one of THESE helps loads!

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This Is Long!!!

Please don't flame me - here goes:

Grew up in Boston and bought my first motorcycle (a new 1977 Honda CB-400F) at Boston cycles. I had ridden a cumulative total of less than one mile on motorcycles before I bought that bike. The saleperson shook my hand, wished me luck (boy did I need it) and I drove off into Boston traffic.

I rode around the city for a few years before leaving town. I sold my bike before I left. Eventually, I moved to Kansas City (still one of my favorite places in the U.S.) and bought a 1982 Suzuki GS750EZ - a real standard.

I took that to Los Angeles when I moved here. For a few weeks I was nervous about driving in what looks like traffic soup, then realized that I'd never get a chance to ride if I didn't ride in L.A. traffic. So I jumped on and drove carefully and gingerly around L.A. until I got used to so many cars.

I had that bike for years, then sold it and got a 2002 Kawasaki Ninja ZX-12R. A rice rocket of the first order.

Last summer, I bought a 2005 LT as a stablemate.

Now I commute on one or the other, depending on how the weather and my mood strikes me.

Bottom line is this. I've ridden in city traffic for 30 years. To me, what that guy in the video Co0k1e posted is like a Sunday ride in the country to me. Personally, I see no challenge to what he's doing at all.

I've split lanes for hours driving to the Red Sox games in Anaheim. I'd never see the first pitch if I didn't.

In L.A., cars are packed like sardines for 100 miles every morning and afternoon. Several of our freeway intersections are in the Guiness Book Of World Records as the busiest roads in the world. I see the motorcycle as the best way to keep my sanity.

KEEP IN MIND - I have a ton of experience doing this and I've never come remotely close to an accident. I will NEVER allow my mind to wander - even for an instant. And yes, driving like that is VERY tiring.

I'm sure the "motorcyclist down" I hear about almost every morning on the traffic report is either A. Some squid or B. Some middle-aged guy who's on his first bike - a giant Harley.

Yep, I'm sure you now perceive me as a jerk or pompous or some-such, but every girl who has sat behind me admitted she was freaked out during the first few miles, and then complimented me on the ability to split lanes and never feel unsafe.

It's tough to do on a ZX-12R, and much tougher on the LT. I don't have any problems on the LT by trying to keep over 5mph and/or dragging the rear brake, which I learned from the Motorman DVD's. I can only split lanes on the LT when traffic leaves me a wide lane - but I'm new at it and getting better every day.

So if anyone wants to send me a helmet-cam, I'll put my money where my mouth is. I've never had an interest in a helmet cam, although it's much less $$ than the Rick Mayer I have on order.

Let the flames begin...

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No flames - you can't beat experience, and part of one sentance summed it up superbly . . .

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Remembering that is one of the biggest keys to staying safe. The other point you mention is trailing a back brake - I'm not sure how that works, but I use it on uphill hairpins in mountains - discovered that all by myself, and it really does steady up the bike - shall have to try it at low speeds on the flat. And, as Ajlelectronics said, relax - don't have a tight grip on the bars, and let the bike move under you as you would in strong, gusty crosswinds.

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The other point you mention is trailing a back brake - I'm not sure how that works, but I use it on uphill hairpins in mountains - discovered that all by myself, and it really does steady up the bike - shall have to try it at low speeds on the flat.
There's at least a half-dozen threads about keeping RPM's up, feathering the clutch and dragging the rear brake. Here's one:

http://www.bmwlt.com/forums/showthre...light=motorman

The DVD's I learned it from (after 30 years of riding I bought these) is Jerry Palladino - Ride Like A Pro. Here's the link:

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Follow the link! He has 6 minutes of video that are educational and amazing!

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I need to travel 1 kilometre of nasty two-wheel dirt track from my little farm to the tar everytime I ride. Many guys dont even want to come to me on their DS bikes ... The LT is a beast at low speed and if you add dirt and ruts and tennisball sized rocks into the mix then you have one jittery mama on your hands.

The best thing I learned on this bush track is that it pays to step on the pegs ... keep as much pressure on the pegs as you can ... I don't recommend stunding up but just step hard on the pegs, relax you shoulders and elbows and retain a firm grip on the handles. If you tighten up your upperbody the bike do tend to weave a lot more.


This a shot of me at one of the hairy pieces of track ... it is fairly steep incline that dips down to a small stream and is around 100 meters with a nasty dogleg halway down and I need to aim well to pass between to rock outcrops in the road, no problem for the cars but an issue for the bike.

Here in South Africa we lanesplit all the time and we have the same issues that many have posted here.

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The Unexpected!

I wish we could lane-split at times in Florida, with some of the horrendious back-ups, but there are so many unexpected thing that happen on so many of my rides, that it would seem to be suicide to try it in this area. I can't begin to imagine lane splitting with the driver up ahead on a cell phone. In fact, around here, I don't think that too many people drive cars without a cell phone stuck in their ear. You can watch them hold it to their ear with their left hand and wave as they speak with the right. Guess the knees are doing the driving. Must be better drivers in Calif!

Riding slow.... Keep your head up. The more I look ahead with my head up, the easier it is. Got to be on the look out for those 2X4's on the road though.

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Definition of Filtering?

Sorry for the mini-hijack, but it's related to this thread.

I understand what lane splitting is, but what is filtering? Something about working your way to the front of a line of slow-moving traffic? And how is that done?

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Filtering

I consider lane splitting to be when the traffic is moving slowly, and you go in between them. Filtering is when traffic is completely stopped, like at a red light, and you move to the front.

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I also live on a dirt road.

The biggest problem is after hours of gentile rain. Gentile rain breaks down the natural chemicals which made the soil hard. When the soil goes soft, it is like a layer of grease on top of an uneven hard surface--slow riding is a must.

When I ride in slow traffic, I let the car in front of me get a head start before I start. Sometimes I have to weave slightly between the Yellow line and the shoulder.

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Believe it or not, you will develop LT muscle memory for handling at low crawling speeds. I hated my LT after I first bought it new, but 13 months later, I love it. I ride it in grid lock Phoenix traffic all the time. I don't fight it; I just let it drift from side to side, body relaxed, left boot dragging.

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Hi Hip,

Just like Dano said; keep your eyes on the horizion at all times when coming to a stop, taking off and when traveling at very slow speeds. If you are looking down around the front of you bike or at the car in front of you, you will lose your balance. Find an empty parking lot somewhere to practice this. You will be amazed at how much easier you can crawl along without weaving back and forth. Now if I can just get my wife to sit still when we are taking off or coming to a stop

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Now if I can just get my wife to sit still when we are taking off or coming to a stop
I made my wife chant the mantra "You are my ride home." 100 hundred times on each trip. Now she sits like a rock at below 30mph and watches for traffic opposite of where my head is turned.

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Wayne and Bruce,
That is too funny. I did actually say something to my girl last week about being still. She did not realize it. We'll see if she remembers this week. it's amazing how much a lil movement on the LT is felt!
Thank you all for your replies! I'm gonna try the looking at the horizon trick!
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Grew up in Boston and bought my first motorcycle (a new 1977 Honda CB-400F) at Boston cycles. I had ridden a cumulative total of less than one mile on motorcycles before I bought that bike. The saleperson shook my hand, wished me luck (boy did I need it) and I drove off into Boston traffic.
My helmet is off to you! Having grown up just south of Boston (Quincy) I had a similar experience at the old Freddie's Cycles. Picked up my first bike (Virago 535) and after a brief "safety course" (here's how you start it, here's how you shift it, here's the brakes - now have fun!) I rode into traffic.
If you can survive Boston drivers at ANY TIME you should be alright!

Now you just have to learn to ride through the "Big Dig" tunnels with your fingers crossed. Hard to avoid those 3-ton slabs of concrete falling from the roof......

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Question Bear Jams Cades Cove

My first real challenge at slow speed came at Cades Cove in the Smokie Mtns. National Park. When ever a Bear shows up near the exit of the 11 mile loop which is a one way very rough road these traffic jams happen. My SO was on the back and the portion of road we were on was uneven,pot holed,some gravel and tree limbs at times in the road etc. I fought that for over a half an hour and it was no fun. But what some of the guys said about staying loose is a key factor in learning how to get through those slow situations a gentle grip on the grips is a good insight. Has anyone else expierenced a Cades Cove Bear Jam?
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My helmet is off to you! Having grown up just south of Boston (Quincy) I had a similar experience at the old Freddie's Cycles. Picked up my first bike (Virago 535) and after a brief "safety course" (here's how you start it, here's how you shift it, here's the brakes - now have fun!) I rode into traffic.
If you can survive Boston drivers at ANY TIME you should be alright!

Now you just have to learn to ride through the "Big Dig" tunnels with your fingers crossed. Hard to avoid those 3-ton slabs of concrete falling from the roof......
I was born in Quincy City Hospital. Must have been the same salesperson at Boston Cycles as that's the EXACT same safety lesson I got when he delivered my bike.

Yep, Boston drivers have a well-deserved reputation. L.A. drivers are less predictable.

BTW - I've now got about 2,000 miles on the LT since I bought it, so in the last few days I've found:

1. The bike is 1/2 as light as when I bought it. I can move it around without it fighting me.

2. It gets more fun as you get better at handling it.

3. I was splitting lanes this AM without thinking about it. Now I'm thinking about buying/borrowing a helmet cam so I can post what some real lane-splitting looks like.

I wish the bike had whiskers so I could tell if it's going to fit between two cars - although those mirrors do almost the same thing

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