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post #1 of 32 Old Feb 3rd, 2008, 11:23 am Thread Starter
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K1200LT Fuel Economy

I've seen reports here and there that the K1200LT gets 50+ mpg. If that is so, I can make a good argument for an LT for me as a commuting vehicle. Since my wife won't ride behind me on either of my current bikes (no back rest on the R80RT or R1100R) it would also encourage her to join me on two wheels. Please share your fuel economy experience with me.
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post #2 of 32 Old Feb 3rd, 2008, 11:31 am
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Hey Mark, my '99 LT routinely gets 50-52 mpg and I am 6' 285lbs. Of course your riding style and state of engine tune will greatly affect this. I do not ride mine like it's a crotch rocket and I live in Denver where the altitude is over 5,000ft. My results are slightly higher than what is typical. I've heard most LT's averaging around 45, which is still much better than the GW mileage.
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I commute 38 miles each way with speed limits varying from 25 mph to 55 mph. My 2003 LT averages 46 mpg.
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Mark, after reading "Lumpy's" reply I realized I should have included the bike's weight load. I'm 6'6" weighing 275. In Florida all the roads are FLAT. (mostly)
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I've gotten as low as mid 30's under some extreme riding conditions and as high as 59mpg on a tank, 2 up cruising on back roads on vacation. I'd say 45mpg is pretty typical.
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To put it in perspective, it is basicly this ......

Denser or colder air takes more fuel to get the proper Air/Fuel ratio

Thinner or hotter air takes less fuel to get the proper Air/Fuel ratio

So those bikes running at higher elavation & hotter climates will get better mileage than those running at lower elavations & colder climates.

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To put it in perspective, it is basicly this ......

Denser or colder air takes more fuel to get the proper Air/Fuel ratio

Thinner or hotter air takes less fuel to get the proper Air/Fuel ratio

So those bikes running at higher elavation & hotter climates will get better mileage than those running at lower elavations & colder climates.
I'm in Connecticut, I weigh 195 lbs, and my commute is a mostly flat 35 miles with some stop & go traffic on bad days. Is 50 mpg an unreasonable expectation for that environment?

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Riding double, average 43 or so. Have gotten as good as 52 and down below 30 when having some high speed fun.

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I've found the main determinant in MPG to be MPH. Regardless of one or two up, I'll get in the mid-to high- 50's IF I cruise at 65. Hit the slab at 80+ and MPG drops to low- to mid- 40's.

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The only time that my LT ever went over 50 mpg was after a gas fill up/BC computer re-set leaving the gas station easing up thru the gears and not going over 50 mph on flat Illinois backroads. I just wanted to see how high I could get the average mpg up to.

In the real world, I get mid 40's, a little more if you really take it easy.
On a trip, loaded up and truckin' like Jerry Reed, 75-80 on the slab with wind, I've gone down onto the thirties. I don't know how these guys are in the fifties.

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10-miles each way, in-town traffic (traffic lights are timed) I get 42; at 65 mph on the highway, usually 50-52. One-up, 210 lbs.

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2000 LTC with 75000 miles of two up travel mostly on the back roads. The average MPG for all those miles is 51.2. We don't push the limits since we are retired and have the time to enjoy the trip.

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Hey Mark, my '99 LT routinely gets 50-52 mpg and I am 6' 285lbs. Of course your riding style and state of engine tune will greatly affect this. I do not ride mine like it's a crotch rocket and I live in Denver where the altitude is over 5,000ft. My results are slightly higher than what is typical. I've heard most LT's averaging around 45, which is still much better than the GW mileage.
I concur with Lumpy. I live in the Denver metro area. In the summer I can see mileage as high as 58 - 60 in the mountains when it is warmer (for Colorado). I just filled up my tank in town and have been in stop & go traffic for most of the tank. Gunning it some and winding it up some and having a little fun as well. My figures were just about 48 mpg in 30 - 48 degrees with higher humidity. This is one up and I am over 200 lbs. My bike is an '03LTC.

I routinely get over 50 mpg when I take it easy. But, when I really push it in the twisties, I can see low to mid 40s.. But, averaging 65 on the speedo in standard highway driving well over 50 mpg.
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If your commute riding would be a lot of stop and go riding and or short trips mileage would ge less. I don't use my bikes to commute to work or shopping but on the road my 99LT usually is in the 55-58 range. 67.8 has been it's high tank and it has been under 50 mabe a half dozen times. Most of my riding is in the 60-70 mph range. Going past 70 mileage drops into the low 50's.
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I just got my 2000LT with 40k miles on it. Riding 2up with a combination of US1 50mph to Daytona and I95 running 90mph(and a cpl of 100mph passes) back then to Sanford with the cruise set at 65 I got 46.5 mpg.

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46-48 mpg, mostly commuting 22 miles each way. Combination of open divided road at 55- 65 with stop and go lights here and there. I'm sure I could break 50 without the traffic lights. Always solo riding for those numbers. A little better in summer than in winter.

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Not the LOADED cost!

I get around 45 MPG and that is GREAT, but, if you want to really figure your cost per mile, you must also factor in the cost of replacing tires about every 15,000 miles. Not much better than a cage..... and then how many people can you put into the car X your milage. Face it, we ride because we like to ride. Economics has little to do with it.

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The only time that my LT ever went over 50 mpg was after a gas fill up/BC computer re-set leaving the gas station easing up thru the gears and not going over 50 mph on flat Illinois backroads. I just wanted to see how high I could get the average mpg up to.

In the real world, I get mid 40's, a little more if you really take it easy.
On a trip, loaded up and truckin' like Jerry Reed, 75-80 on the slab with wind, I've gone down onto the thirties. I don't know how these guys are in the fifties.
I am with you.

I still cant believe these 50 on up MPG figures.

Maybe I am just jealous?

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On my 2001 stock bike I get 52-54mpg solo weighing 190 running 60-65mph. Two up, it drops down to around 48 +/-. At high altitude last summer in the mountains of Wyoming, I've seen upper 60's, almost 70mpg's and that correlates with what someone else mentioned earlier about thinner air taking less fuel for the optimum fuel/air mixture. I'm not a real fast rider for the most part, 70mph on a four lane is about as fast as I normally ride, so my mileage probably reflects more of how I ride the bike!

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Dan, you are right on about figuring out the "cost" per mile but I know it sure feels better filling up the LT for $15 then it does $70 per tank in the truck. Yes, I do like to ride!
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I was getting very consistently 50 mpg running a combination of Texas backroads and slab, say 80%/ 20%. BUT, since ethanol arrived, I've experienced about a 10% drop in all my vehicles.

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The slower you go, the more miles per gallon. The faster you go, the more smiles per gallon.

Keeping those options in balance, I average about 42 MPG, 2-up.

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I get 50-52 average with a 99lt. However, the bc says about 45. Actually doing the calculation gives you a different number. In the winter when it takes the engine 5 miles to warm up the milage drops to the mid to upper 40's...

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Can you tell me how long it is going to take you to save,, oh say $15,000.00?????? If you want a newer bike get one but to use the old "gas mileage thing" is just too funny..... One bike gets 7 1/2 miles more to the gallon,, going to be a long time before you save enough to jingle any change in your pocket ............Pete

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I am with you.

I still cant believe these 50 on up MPG figures.

Maybe I am just jealous?
I have a 2000 LT and obtained 71.2 mpg during a run from Jenny Lake Lodge to Old Faithful during CCR2005 at Jackson Lake, WY. Conditions were ideal; high elevation, warm temps (warm for Yellowstone Natn'l Park), speed of 50-60mph (was riding through Yellowstone where max posted speed limit is 50mph), and I wasn't pulling my trailer.

I know many doubt the validity of mileage claims such as mine but they are not that unusual. I also consistently get 60+ mpg during normal riding which is, for me, 65-75 mph on the slab at elevations of 3500-4500ft. The early models (1999 t0 2003) have different gearing than the newer models. At 75mph my engine is turning about 600rpm less than a 2007 model's engine. I also gained 2-3 mpg with the installation of a Rhinewest chip at CCR 2005.
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I have a 2000 LT and obtained 71.2 mpg during a run from Jenny Lake Lodge to Old Faithful during CCR2005 at Jackson Lake, WY. Conditions were ideal; high elevation, warm temps (warm for Yellowstone Natn'l Park), speed of 50-60mph (was riding through Yellowstone where max posted speed limit is 50mph), and I wasn't pulling my trailer.

I know many doubt the validity of mileage claims such as mine but they are not that unusual. I also consistently get 60+ mpg during normal riding which is, for me, 65-75 mph on the slab at elevations of 3500-4500ft. The early models (1999 t0 2003) have different gearing than the newer models. At 75mph my engine is turning about 600rpm less than a 2007 model's engine. I also gained 2-3 mpg with the installation of a Rhinewest chip at CCR 2005.
ok.. so , how many miles on the bike.. because if we can figure out how this is working for you, it would benefit many...

Now, it that mileage figured using the BC or by manual computation?

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Hi, Rich from Virginia. I have an '06 LT. I'm 5'11 and about 185 lbs. Commuting to work 15 - 18 miles I average 50 - 52 according to the BC. By myself on the slab going 70 or so that drops to about 46 according to the BC. Two up doesn't seem to hurt the mpg any. Speed seems to be a factor. I've seen it report in the high 30's on more spirited trips around the backroads.

I will point out that I'm suspicious of what the BC is reporting, however, as I've never gotten 300 miles out of a tank, EXCEPT when I was in Colorado last summer...
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52.9mpg here in Florida

Just filled up for the 2nd time. 4.598 gal and 243.4 miles. 52.9 mpg. Most of this tank was 2 up city/hwy combination. I think this is AWESOME! My 96 RT only got around 42 and was not as smooth or comfortable at least it was lighter. I'd still consider a new R12RT!
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I have an 03 with 34000 miles on it and I too regularly get 50 mpg commuting to and from work. I ride US 36 back and forth to Boulder and rarely exceed 60 mph so that has some bearing on it. I usually do a bit better riding in the mountains but once again I rarely go over 60.

The observations regarding the effect of air density are quite true. I'd love to see what I could get touring the Andes.
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So what you guys are saying that my meager 42 MPG at 540 ft sea level is about right.

Oh and I NEVER go anywhere at 60, so that explaines a lot too I think.

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ok.. so , how many miles on the bike.. because if we can figure out how this is working for you, it would benefit many...

Now, it that mileage figured using the BC or by manual computation?
The bike has about 22,000 miles on the odo, and computations were obtained by dividing actual miles ridden by gallons used. I use a handheld calculator.

The Rhinewest chip contributed 2-3 mpg to overall economy; this was readily noticeable by comparing the mileage from my home to CCR2005 (sans the chip) and the mileage from CCR2005 back home, after Hank Azzaria of Rhinewest performed the chip installation at Jackson lake Lodge. I shift gears in the 3000 to 3500 rpm range unless I am really "getting on it". I don't downshift for engine braking purposes. My 2000 LT has different gearing than the '05 and-up models; the lower rpm, at speed, that my engine experiences contributes to better fuel mileage. I live and ride at 3500 to 6500 ft elevation, I weigh 170 lbs soaking wet, I don't subscribe to the mantra of "ride it like you stole it", or to the misconception that anything under 4000 rpm is lugging the engine.

I don't purposefully ride in such a manner as to maximize gas mileage, it just happens; I ride the way I like to ride and I maintain the bike as well as possible. If a rider is constantly accelerating hard and running 80-90mph, he/she will not obtain good mileage figures. For me, good mileage is not important. I enjoy riding the LT and the cost of fuel plays no part in the way I ride. If I rode more aggressively, lived at sea level, owned a '05 or later model, weighed 100 lbs more, etc., I would not get the mileage I currently experience but, again, that issue is of no importance. An additional $20 per month for fuel due to poorer mileage is inconsequential; everyone should just enjoy the LT to it's fullest and ride the style that suits them.
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The bike has about 22,000 miles on the odo, and computations were obtained by dividing actual miles ridden by gallons used. I use a handheld calculator.

The Rhinewest chip contributed 2-3 mpg to overall economy; this was readily noticeable by comparing the mileage from my home to CCR2005 (sans the chip) and the mileage from CCR2005 back home, after Hank Azzaria of Rhinewest performed the chip installation at Jackson lake Lodge. I shift gears in the 3000 to 3500 rpm range unless I am really "getting on it". I don't downshift for engine braking purposes. My 2000 LT has different gearing than the '05 and-up models; the lower rpm, at speed, that my engine experiences contributes to better fuel mileage. I live and ride at 3500 to 6500 ft elevation, I weigh 170 lbs soaking wet, I don't subscribe to the mantra of "ride it like you stole it", or to the misconception that anything under 4000 rpm is lugging the engine.

I don't purposefully ride in such a manner as to maximize gas mileage, it just happens; I ride the way I like to ride and I maintain the bike as well as possible. If a rider is constantly accelerating hard and running 80-90mph, he/she will not obtain good mileage figures. For me, good mileage is not important. I enjoy riding the LT and the cost of fuel plays no part in the way I ride. If I rode more aggressively, lived at sea level, owned a '05 or later model, weighed 100 lbs more, etc., I would not get the mileage I currently experience but, again, that issue is of no importance. An additional $20 per month for fuel due to poorer mileage is inconsequential; everyone should just enjoy the LT to it's fullest and ride the style that suits them.
Excellent feedback.. thanks! I don't know if a "chip" for the '05 is available... may check into it.

I do know my LT spews a fair amount of carbon during warmup and even "moderate acceleration..so, I think running a bit too "rich"

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