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Dick- I read your post on the "air pump" thread regarding the Smartire system. I am aware of that system. The last time I talked with Smartire they advised I would have to order out of the US. The US supplier may be able to short-ship out of Vancouver to avoid customs etc. but the order has to be placed with a US supplier. Nothing wrong with that and I may end up going that route. I am concerned about the potential for damage by tire mounters should they not take the proper precautions. Largely for that reason, I am looking at the type that mounts on the valve stem. Not the plastic type but the more expensive solid construction type sensor that transmits a signal to a monitor. There is one of those manufactured out of Surrey BC but they are priced at around 350.00 US. A bit pricey.
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post #2 of 30 Old Jan 27th, 2008, 9:37 pm
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Dick- I read your post on the "air pump" thread regarding the Smartire system. I am aware of that system. The last time I talked with Smartire they advised I would have to order out of the US. The US supplier may be able to short-ship out of Vancouver to avoid customs etc. but the order has to be placed with a US supplier. Nothing wrong with that and I may end up going that route. I am concerned about the potential for damage by tire mounters should they not take the proper precautions. Largely for that reason, I am looking at the type that mounts on the valve stem. Not the plastic type but the more expensive solid construction type sensor that transmits a signal to a monitor. There is one of those manufactured out of Surrey BC but they are priced at around 350.00 US. A bit pricey.
Hi, Austin - weird that you have to order SmarTire across the border. I think National Cycle is (maybe wuz, I haven't kept up with them) US distributor. As for the tire change thang - the kit comes with sticky labels that the SmarTire installer places on the outside of the rim near the interior sensor location. Explains that the sensors are installed and to use caution in banging around inside the rim. I think with enough of these TPMS in use (several different brands - cages and m/cs), tire mounters may have more experience handling tire changing that includes the units.

Good luck on the direction you're taking. I don't know anyone with the valve stem units.
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Canadian Tire sells something like this for about $99.00. It is made for a car so it has 4 monitors that go on the valve stems and a monitor that shows the tire pressures on each wheel. They show online for $149.00 but they occasionally go on sale for $99.00. You can find it here.

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Last time I had a rear tire mounted was in Wales due to a rather large puncture. Took the wheel off and when I was in the shop explained to the tech the arrangement of the smartire sensors. He had no trouble with his machine to avoid any damage, but did appreciate the fact that I had advised him of their position. Also have a picture of the sensor which helps.

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Canadian Tire sells something like this for about $99.00. It is made for a car so it has 4 monitors that go on the valve stems and a monitor that shows the tire pressures on each wheel. They show online for $149.00 but they occasionally go on sale for $99.00. You can find it here.

http://www.canadiantire.ca/browse/pr...romSearch=true

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Canadian Tire had that one on sale here for 99.00 last week. I checked it out and came away with some unanswered questions about it. At the advice of their in store rep., I called their 800 number. They could not answer some of my questions so they said they would find out and get back to me. To date, I am still waiting.

The questions they couldn't answer; 1. Does the system compensate for temp. changes as the tire warms up? 2. Being a 4 wheel system, does the system continue to monitor and alarm audibly for the 2 sensors not in use?

That system signals low pressure at two levels. The store felt the first was at a 1.5 lb. drop in pressure, the second at a 3 lb. drop. They were going to confirm this and get back to me. Still waiting.
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Kisan makes a tire monitoring system for motorcycles using the sensors in the valve stems. I have yet to see the system installed or hear any reports from someone who tried it.


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Hi, Austin - weird that you have to order SmarTire across the border. I think National Cycle is (maybe wuz, I haven't kept up with them) US distributor. As for the tire change thang - the kit comes with sticky labels that the SmarTire installer places on the outside of the rim near the interior sensor location. Explains that the sensors are installed and to use caution in banging around inside the rim. I think with enough of these TPMS in use (several different brands - cages and m/cs), tire mounters may have more experience handling tire changing that includes the units.

Good luck on the direction you're taking. I don't know anyone with the valve stem units.
Follow up - check out Dan's post in this thread, about #3 or 4. I'd forgotten about the fact that SmartTire wuz getting out of the two-wheel systems and devoting efforts to F1 and the cage racing circuits. Glad to hear they're keeping an inventory for service. No wonder Dan has back-up sets!!!
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Austin, go on ebay. Vulcan Tire is selling their stock there. Sets are selling in the $50-60 range. I imagine these are lb/ deg. F. readout. If you want a metric readout i.e Kpa./Cent. i will swap you a readout unit. Sensors in the wheel are the same for both systems.

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Austin, go on ebay. Vulcan Tire is selling their stock there. Sets are selling in the $50-60 range. I imagine these are lb/ deg. F. readout. If you want a metric readout i.e Kpa./Cent. i will swap you a readout unit. Sensors in the wheel are the same for both systems.

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I checked ebay, wasn't able to find anything relative to Vulcan Tire and tire pressure monitors. Do you have more specific information?

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I checked ebay, wasn't able to find anything relative to Vulcan Tire and tire pressure monitors. Do you have more specific information?

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Do a search on smartire.

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[QUOTE=DanMartin]Do a search on smartire.

step by step

go www.ebay.com
click on Buy
enter "smartire" without the quotes
3 results

Thanks DanMartin. I was searching for Vulcan Tire, and I got a bunch of motorcycle tires. Following your instructions, I was able to find the SmarTire item. In their shipping info. they say they will ship to the 50 states only. So I guess this is out of my reach geographically speaking.

Question: The system monitors one tire at a time. If a person had two sets would it be possible to use one monitor for the front tire and one for the rear and have both monitored at all times?

The SmarTire "Dochatley" has directed me to is on this side of the border. It's almost twice the cost of the Vulcan tire one but there is a little more time before the auction times out. The single tire monitoring is an issue for me. But, if the two monitors thought is workable, I would consider it. I would much rather consider it at the Vulcan tire price but that doesn't appear be an option.

Thanks again for your help.
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Canadian Tire had that one on sale here for 99.00 last week. I checked it out and came away with some unanswered questions about it. At the advice of their in store rep., I called their 800 number. They could not answer some of my questions so they said they would find out and get back to me. To date, I am still waiting.

The questions they couldn't answer; 1. Does the system compensate for temp. changes as the tire warms up? 2. Being a 4 wheel system, does the system continue to monitor and alarm audibly for the 2 sensors not in use?

That system signals low pressure at two levels. The store felt the first was at a 1.5 lb. drop in pressure, the second at a 3 lb. drop. They were going to confirm this and get back to me. Still waiting.
Austin:

I purchased this system last year, for $99.

The customer support line was darn near useless. That said, the unit works quite well and it has made it a lot easier for me to monitor the air pressure on a consistent basis. I hate the ritual of having to getting on the ground and contort myself just to get the rear wheel valve stem cap off just to get a pressure gauge in place to check the air pressure. Reverse the process to get the valve stem cap on. Ugh!

The CTC system does work well and saves me all that agro. But, understand that the senders that fit atop the valve stem have their own internal battery and the battery not replaceable. CTC says that they will last 3 years before one has to replace the sender. If I recall correctly, CTC will sell replacement sensors at a reduced price. While it is true that you have 2 unused senders in the package, they may be viable after the first pair bites the dirt. I do not know if the power in the sender is turned on/off when pressure is applied by installing the unit on the valve stem. Ask me again in 2.75 years, when I install the 2 currently unused sensors.

I cannot answer your question about compensation as temperature increases. I suspect that it does, since the reading on a properly inflated rear tire set at 48 psi when cold, reads close to 60 psi after reaching operating temperature and the readings at "cold" seem to be a bit higher with elevated outside temps.

I do know that the unit does "look" for the 2 missing sensors but then quickly moves on to the sensors that are in place and provides a reading. When seeking a reading, one has to wait as much as 3 minutes for the unit to initially display it's finding. When I am on the road - I put on +50K km in the past 2 riding seasons - I turn the unit on, before I start cleaning the windshield for the day's ride and by the time I've started to load up the bike, I know the state of my tire pressure...all without getting grungy from that little dance that would previously precede checking tire pressure. The display unit can be hard wired into the bike but I prefer to use AA cells and keep the display unit in my tank bag. Battery life seems to be excellent. Still working the initial set.

I asked the Bridgestone rep at the last CCR for his take on this type of tire pressure monitoring system and his point of view was that anything that lets you accurately gauge tire pressure is beneficial.

I find that I am much more at ease knowing that I can easily and accurately determine tire pressure when I am about to head out for a 700 km jaunt. Since I am now able to check tire pressure with ease, I am getting splendid tire life...my last front skin (stock Bridgestone) gave me a little over 20k km AND NO CUPPING. Considering how badly we in the Great White North get ripped off on tire prices - which undoubtedly will become even more costly with $100 buck a barrel oil - the CTC solution works for me. I save money on tires and am riding safer.

Here's the bottom line from my perspective: I did not relish spending over $300 on the Smart Tire system. The CTC system at 1/3 of the cost seems to do the job, saving me money on tire replacement and providing peace of mind. I am certain that the next generation LT will have a factory provided tire pressure monitoring system in place, much like the latest RT's now have. Even if I do not spring for the next generation LT, and if I get only 3 years life out of the system before I replace it, for what amounts to $35 bucks a year, or 10 Starbucks fancy coffees, it sure works for me. Just avoiding the clean-up following a routine check is worth the cost alone!

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Do a search on smartire.

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go www.ebay.com
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enter "smartire" without the quotes
3 results

Thanks DanMartin. I was searching for Vulcan Tire, and I got a bunch of motorcycle tires. Following your instructions, I was able to find the SmarTire item. In their shipping info. they say they will ship to the 50 states only. So I guess this is out of my reach geographically speaking.

Question: The system monitors one tire at a time. If a person had two sets would it be possible to use one monitor for the front tire and one for the rear and have both monitored at all times?

The SmarTire "Dochatley" has directed me to is on this side of the border. It's almost twice the cost of the Vulcan tire one but there is a little more time before the auction times out. The single tire monitoring is an issue for me. But, if the two monitors thought is workable, I would consider it. I would much rather consider it at the Vulcan tire price but that doesn't appear be an option.

Thanks again for your help.
Austin S.
Smartire monitors both tires. It checks tire pressure and temp every time the tire starts rolling or every 6-7 minutes while rolling.
PM me your address and I will mail you a system. Choose either metric or imperial readout. Cost to you is $60.

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This is a very interesting system! I may want one too.

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Are you selling these systems Dan? Or is it a one off?
Not selling. Have a couple of spare systems that I will send to friends that cannot buy them easily. I will replace my spares as I need to.

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Smartire monitors both tires. It checks tire pressure and temp every time the tire starts rolling or every 6-7 minutes while rolling.
PM me your address and I will mail you a system. Choose either metric or imperial readout. Cost to you is $60.

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Thank you for your generous offer. I am waiting on a reply about an all wheel constant monitoring system that is a little more expensive but maybe worth the extra because of the constant monitoring.

My understanding is that the SmarTire system monitors both tires but one at a time on the push of a button. If I am wrong on this please feel free to straighten me out. In the meantime, I will get back to you later today regarding your offer.

Thanks again,
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Is that the same unit that was selling for $200.00?

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Is that the same unit that was selling for $200.00?
Same system.
1 monitor,2 sensors,2 clamps,manuals

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Thanks...I'm bidding on it. What are you doing in about 6000-8000 miles?

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Thank you for your generous offer. I am waiting on a reply about an all wheel constant monitoring system that is a little more expensive but maybe worth the extra because of the constant monitoring.

My understanding is that the SmarTire system monitors both tires but one at a time on the push of a button. If I am wrong on this please feel free to straighten me out. In the meantime, I will get back to you later today regarding your offer.

Thanks again,
Austin S.
Smartire is a constant monitoring system. It only displays info when starting up or pushing the button.

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for you that's 3 more years,the batteries will be dead........

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Austin, the SmarTire system monitors both tires all the time once the wheels are rolling. The button push will get you the instantaneous readout of both pressure and temp of both tires one after the other. If you develop a leak, or you have let your tires lose pressure over the winter the system will alert you as soon as it spins up. You will not get off your block without knowing how your tires are doing! I have had the system since the Spokane MOA Rally (2004?) and love it! The batteries in the sensors are supposed to be good for seven years I believe, so I may have to look for the next gen LT with it's own onboard system by then!!

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Thank you for your generous offer. I am waiting on a reply about an all wheel constant monitoring system that is a little more expensive but maybe worth the extra because of the constant monitoring.

My understanding is that the SmarTire system monitors both tires but one at a time on the push of a button. If I am wrong on this please feel free to straighten me out. In the meantime, I will get back to you later today regarding your offer.

Thanks again,
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Smartire monitors both tires. It checks tire pressure and temp every time the tire starts rolling or every 6-7 minutes while rolling.
PM me your address and I will mail you a system. Choose either metric or imperial readout. Cost to you is $60.

Thanks to you and others on this site, I now have a better understanding of how the SmarTire system works and am confident I will be happy with it. The bottom line is you have managed to convince me to relieve you of one of your imperial sets for your offer of $60.00. I will send you a pm with address details etc.

Isn't this a wonderful site!! It's people like you that make it so.

Again, many thanks.
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Hey Dan

I sense a group buy here. If you have extra, I'll take one off your hands.

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Nope, 2 sets gone, down to one spare set. Keep looking on e-bay. If they pop up again I'll get more.

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Hi guys I'm a newbie here so please forgive the dumb question...

Is there any detrimental effect on tire/wheel balance with the addition of these monitoring devices?

I've been thinking of the 'investment' but can't get a response to this query elsewhere.

By the way I live in Northern Thailand, anyone visiting? please call if you do..:-)
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Nope, 2 sets gone, down to one spare set. Keep looking on e-bay. If they pop up again I'll get more.
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This board is an expensive hobby. I read this thread, and having thought about tire pressure monitors before, went to eBay and bought one. Threre were two listed at the time, one bidding for $49 when I looked at it, I was cautioned because the seller had been a member since 1991 but had ZERO feedback. I didn't understand that, so I did a "buy it now" from a seller with good selling feedback for about $120 including shipping. I am sure better deals are out there, but I am a little compulsive.

Today there is another one listed just like the one I bought.
http://motors.shop.ebay.com/_Motorcy...fxdZ1QQ_ptasZ1

If someone wants to work on a goup buy, try talking to the online store that has this listed:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/SmarT...3756.m20.l1116

The Buy it Now price is $185 but if you log in you can offer your best price and specify the number of units you want. The seller says they have 20 units available. BTW The seller of this item is "motorcycleownersclub" and also has Ohlin shocks listed.
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Hi guys I'm a newbie here so please forgive the dumb question...

Is there any detrimental effect on tire/wheel balance with the addition of these monitoring devices?

I've been thinking of the 'investment' but can't get a response to this query elsewhere.

By the way I live in Northern Thailand, anyone visiting? please call if you do..:-)
The tires do need to be rebalanced when you install the sensors. I believe they are 1.5oz. This is partially offset by the clamp and steel bridge over valve stem.

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