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post #1 of 21 Old Nov 3rd, 2007, 9:00 am Thread Starter
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Hey guys: Has anyone used the ME880 VR series radials instead of the VB bias tires? Found some good deals on the VR and didn't know how they would perform on the LT.
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post #2 of 21 Old Nov 3rd, 2007, 9:36 am
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I thought the vr is the recomended tire for the LT.

120/70 R17 58V - Front
160/70 R17 79V - Rear

At least that is what is recomended for my 03

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These are the only Metzelers rated for the LT and they are bias:

Front Tire: 120/70 B17 M/C 58V TL ME880 Marathon Front

Rear Tire: 160/70 B17 M/C 79V Reinf. TL ME880 Marathon

That "reinforced" rear is important.


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The VB are the biased ply and these are the only tires that are weight rated for the LT. The VR is the radial and these are not rated to handle the weight of the LT.

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Radial or Bias

It is my understanding that radial tires tend to expand with heat and that this expansion can cause the tire to expand to the point that it interferes with the swing arm.

The Bridgestone rep at CCR told us that this is the reason that Bridgestone no longer makes a radial tire for the LT.

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Re: Metzler VB vs VR vs these

0308-0022 Tire ME:800 160/70B - 17 V - T

I do NOT believe that this tire would work for the rear, but a local CL seller has one new and it is a good price.

I just wanted to confirm.

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Re: Metzler VB vs VR

sorry,

I just noticed that this is a 0308-0022 Tire ME:880 160/70B - 17 V - T

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Re: Metzler VB vs VR vs these

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0308-0022 Tire ME:800 160/70B - 17 V - T

I do NOT believe that this tire would work for the rear, but a local CL seller has one new and it is a good price.

I just wanted to confirm.

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Re: Metzler VB vs VR

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These are the only Metzelers rated for the LT and they are bias:

Front Tire: 120/70 B17 M/C 58V TL ME880 Marathon Front

Rear Tire: 160/70 B17 M/C 79V Reinf. TL ME880 Marathon

That "reinforced" rear is important
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Don't try and save a few bucks here. But, If you do risk it with an unrated tire, can I call dibs on a few farkles when you part the bike out?

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Re: Metzler VB vs VR

ha ha everyone.

I had just not heard of that model Metzler and was ready to pounce if it was a newer model that would work...

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Re: Radial or Bias

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It is my understanding that radial tires tend to expand with heat and that this expansion can cause the tire to expand to the point that it interferes with the swing arm.

The Bridgestone rep at CCR told us that this is the reason that Bridgestone no longer makes a radial tire for the LT.

Now I understand : I was worried because my rear tire is so hot that I was
Afraid that something will happen . But now I understand that it is o.k
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Just for some added negative feedback, I rode a mate's '03 which was fitted with some Dunlop Sportmax radial on the rear, size 170/60 17 (not reinforced of course), and a Metzeler Marathon ME880 bias ply on the front. That bike handled like crap around the bends, not to mention the speedo reading (literally) a mile out. Got the tyre cheap, clever ! Get only the correct specified tyres for the LT. No bike manufacturer would go to the trouble of arranging to have a reiforced tyre specified if it was not required. Ignorance is not bliss in this case, it can be deadly.

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Re: Metzler VB vs VR

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These are the only Metzelers rated for the LT and they are bias:

Front Tire: 120/70 B17 M/C 58V TL ME880 Marathon Front

Rear Tire: 160/70 B17 M/C 79V Reinf. TL ME880 Marathon

That "reinforced" rear is important.
Ron, I realize it is unpopular to point this out, but just about EVERY 120/70-17 front motorcycle tire on the market is "rated" for the LT.

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Re: Metzler VB vs VR

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Ron, I realize it is unpopular to point this out, but just about EVERY 120/70-17 front motorcycle tire on the market is "rated" for the LT.
Seems to me Ron was pointing out the Metzelers that are recommended for the Lt and said nothing about other vendors, or did I miss something?

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These are the only Metzelers rated for the LT and they are bias:

Front Tire: 120/70 B17 M/C 58V TL ME880 Marathon Front

Rear Tire: 160/70 B17 M/C 79V Reinf. TL ME880 Marathon

That "reinforced" rear is important
And he also highlighted the need for the REAR to be "reinforced" type. Pretty sure he was not worried about being popular.

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Re: Metzler VB vs VR

Listen to these guys, they know what they are talking about. Earlier this year I got a good deal from chaparral motor sport on a rear metz for my lt. Not only did they send new a tire with the wrong rating, the guy I discussed it with assured me at least two different times that the tire they sent me was fine for the lt.

These guys (mainly saddle man) insisted I not use that tire. I called chaparral 1 more time. this time I talk to a supervisor, he got on the computer and within 10 seconds knew that they had sent me the wrong tire. they made it right with me and swapped the tires out.

I simply just didn't know, neither did the original chaparral salesperson, the guys on this site did know. I take advantage of their knowledge and expertise anytime I can!

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Re: Metzler VB vs VR

Simple Math:

Bike has 2 tires. Each tire must have 50% of the job in making the bike handle, right?

Nope.

If they specified a requirement for the tire, it's because a normal, geometrically equivalent, tire wouldn't do the job. Ergo: This is one of those times you don't cut corners.

She's a heavy beast, I'd hate to trust my life to something that's some proportion MORE than 50% of the contact patch.

We had a similar discussion on the VTX forum about going Darkside (running a car tire on the back of the motorcycle). The motorcycle manufacturers don't recommend it, the Tire manufacturers don't recommend it, and it seems like the money saved isn't worth it.

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I have used the VR on the front and chewed it up fast (7000 miles). The VB last 11000 miles. BTW, used VR unknowingly.

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Hey guys: Has anyone used the ME880 VR series radials instead of the VB bias tires? Found some good deals on the VR and didn't know how they would perform on the LT.
My kids taught me early on that you just keep asking the same question until you finally hear the answer that you're looking for. Just ignore these guys that know what they're talking about, and keep asking until you get the answer you want.
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Seems to me Ron was pointing out the Metzelers that are recommended for the Lt and said nothing about other vendors, or did I miss something?


And he also highlighted the need for the REAR to be "reinforced" type. Pretty sure he was not worried about being popular.
John, I was just pointing out that ANY 120/70-17 front tire with at least a 59 load rating and a V speed rating is rated for an LT. That includes many Metzlers other than the 880 as well as other brands. Agree, that blasted 160/70-17 with the mammoth 79 load rating is the limiting factor for the rear. However, the possibilities for the front are pretty wide open as 59 load is the status quo for that size.

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We had a similar discussion on the VTX forum about going Darkside (running a car tire on the back of the motorcycle). The motorcycle manufacturers don't recommend it, the Tire manufacturers don't recommend it, and it seems like the money saved isn't worth it.
Seriously, more on the car tires???

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Re: Metzler VB vs VR

What kills tires is "scrub" or "squirm". This is the tire distortion as it rolls through the contact patch with the pavement. It's also why you will get the most miles from your tires by running the max recommended pressure printed on the sidewall. That reduces the scrub. The other thing that reduces scrub is steel belts under the tread. That transfers part of the distortion to the sidewalls and is the foundation for the "reinforced" in most if not all tires. Do not run anything other than approved tires on an LT or you are quite literally risking your life.

And last but not least, most motorcycle shops think if it fits, it's an approved tire. They look for size and that's about it. I even saw it happen at a BMW dealership last year about this time........ I still have that souvenir hanging on my wall at home.


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