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post #1 of 12 Old Oct 23rd, 2007, 9:55 pm Thread Starter
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Anybody have a failed FD to give away ?

Serious. I'd like to have an older style and a newer style. I want to try a few R&D ideas.
Maybe an aux oil cooler with a monitored fluid level. Plus I'd like to shop them around to a few of my space program buddies for ideas to bullet proof them. ( they are engineers, and LOVE to scrutinize, AND design).

If BMW wont do it, I figure I can at least give it the old college try !


One of the great things about living on the Space Coast of Florida is that I'm virtually surrounded by rocket scientists...quite a few of them ride, but very few do their own services ( that's where I come in)...LOL.


I can help with shipping, no need to pay for a unit to go away once it has caused so much agony.

Any Ideas would mucho be appreciated.

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Fine idea if you have some ball bearing, buddy engineers in the space program. Just get a replacement 19 ball bearing for $150. Show them the thin sheet metal retainer, and they will suggest a bronze machined retainer with a more positive rivet scheme, that will cost you a few bucks more, that will last much longer. David S. did not get a chance to install the one he procured a few years back.

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Serious. I'd like to have an older style and a newer style. I want to try a few R&D ideas.
Maybe an aux oil cooler with a monitored fluid level. Plus I'd like to shop them around to a few of my space program buddies for ideas to bullet proof them. ( they are engineers, and LOVE to scrutinize, AND design).

If BMW wont do it, I figure I can at least give it the old college try !


One of the great things about living on the Space Coast of Florida is that I'm virtually surrounded by rocket scientists...quite a few of them ride, but very few do their own services ( that's where I come in)...LOL.


I can help with shipping, no need to pay for a unit to go away once it has caused so much agony.

Any Ideas would mucho be appreciated.
I just sent a PM to someone I know with a failed FD and I included a link to this thread. Maybe some good can come of this.

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What do you need from the FD?

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Serious. I'd like to have an older style and a newer style. I want to try a few R&D ideas.
Maybe an aux oil cooler with a monitored fluid level. Plus I'd like to shop them around to a few of my space program buddies for ideas to bullet proof them. ( they are engineers, and LOVE to scrutinize, AND design).

If BMW wont do it, I figure I can at least give it the old college try !


One of the great things about living on the Space Coast of Florida is that I'm virtually surrounded by rocket scientists...quite a few of them ride, but very few do their own services ( that's where I come in)...LOL.


I can help with shipping, no need to pay for a unit to go away once it has caused so much agony.

Any Ideas would mucho be appreciated.
Let me know what parts you're looking for. I'll be replacing the entire FD. I saw it in pieces yesterday and will try to recover what you want this afternoon.

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Serious. I'd like to have an older style and a newer style. I want to try a few R&D ideas.
I can help with shipping, no need to pay for a unit to go away once it has caused so much agony.

Any Ideas would mucho be appreciated.
You can have the stock plastic QDs from my 05 that I proactively replaced with brass units. They are not broken or defective in any way, so I don't know if this will help you.
Just let me know!

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Thanks on the QD offer, but I think the issue with them has been solved.

Any parts scavenged from the final drive, especially the failed parts would be helpful. The housing with failed bearing etc is what I'll be looking for.

A good friend who is working on the Constellation project mentioned that if it is a bearing failure without fluid loss, that there would be torsional and side loading issues, coupled with lube related failures due to heat. He states that the easiest way to detect an oncoming failure would be a temperature monitor on the final drive itself. He suggests more lubricant capacity, and possibly a cooler if the temps stay on the high side of the normal operating parameters. He also wants to look at the bearings, and do some metalurgy tests ( on his own time, of course ). Mentiong something about the bearing races themselves are steel, and the seating surfaces of said races are aluminum, the could be a conflict in heat expansion/contraction...


Might take some time, but I'm getting into this.

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Thanks on the QD offer, but I think the issue with them has been solved.

Any parts scavenged from the final drive, especially the failed parts would be helpful. The housing with failed bearing etc is what I'll be looking for.

A good friend who is working on the Constellation project mentioned that if it is a bearing failure without fluid loss, that there would be torsional and side loading issues, coupled with lube related failures due to heat. He states that the easiest way to detect an oncoming failure would be a temperature monitor on the final drive itself. He suggests more lubricant capacity, and possibly a cooler if the temps stay on the high side of the normal operating parameters. He also wants to look at the bearings, and do some metalurgy tests ( on his own time, of course ). Mentiong something about the bearing races themselves are steel, and the seating surfaces of said races are aluminum, the could be a conflict in heat expansion/contraction...


Might take some time, but I'm getting into this.

Thanks folks.....
Already been done by David Shealey (an Engineer) a loonnnnnng time ago. Had them inspected by an independent lab/Engineer as well. I doubt if you would find anything new but hey, go fot it!

The best "splantion" so far is that it may have to do with poor assembly.

My first FD went 104K without even a whimper and was still going strong when I sold it. (2001 model which supposedly have a high rate of failures.) Currently at 36K with my second '01 and holding my breath.

But, for only $750.00 for a new OEM replacement that bolts right in with a 2 year warranty its not a big deal to me if it goes.


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"But, for only $750.00 for a new OEM replacement that bolts right in with a 2 year warranty its not a big deal to me if it goes."

Just for my information, where does one find a complete OEM replacement with a two year warranty for $750.00?

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Have you tried any dealers?
I'm sure they have a few.

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Have you tried any dealers?
I'm sure they have a few.
The only Dealer close to me that I will go to is in Daytona, and it's over an hour to get there. By the time I get there on a Saturday, they are closed. ( I work Saturdays also). The next choice would be Orlando, but the only thing that gets me to travel there is the airport, that city is a total MESS when it comes to traffic.

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"But, for only $750.00 for a new OEM replacement that bolts right in with a 2 year warranty its not a big deal to me if it goes."

Just for my information, where does one find a complete OEM replacement with a two year warranty for $750.00?
Chicago BMW sells parts at 20% off list, and the BMW warranty on all parts is 2 years.


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Chicago BMW sells parts at 20% off list, and the BMW warranty on all parts is 2 years.

Chicago BMW part number 33112333164 $796.80 + shipping + Core + Core Shipping. I am guessing the in- hand cost to be close to $950.00. Does this sound about right?

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