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I am buying one,which one? Advice needed

At a dealer a 1999 K1200ltc, 11,000 miles, price $9,600,.... or a 2003 K1200Ltc, 7000 miles,price $13,900. Is the 2003 worth the extra money. Both are in great shape. I am thinking about the rear bearing issue and any other improvements that the 2003 may have. thanks
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post #2 of 27 Old Nov 26th, 2005, 4:45 pm
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Hello.

I purchased an '03 and love it. The "C" version comes with a 6 disc cd and probably a single disc as well. Correct me if I am wrong, but the '99 doesn't. Also, the brake system is servo assisted linked abs which I find fantastic. The '99 brake system isn't linked.

As far as the rear end goes, it has the new rear end bearing design as well. The '99 has the old style bearing configuration.

Also, one important point, you may have some manufacturer's warranty left on the '03. That will also make it less expensive to buy an extended warranty, which I would definately do.

There are probably some other options with the "C" that I didn't mention. There is the chrome package, etc.

I recommend you buy the 2003.. But, I would try to negotiate on the price a bit. Maybe you can get them to throw in a 12K service or something.

Good Luck...
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a couple months ago I found a 2005 KLT with 900 miles on it and bought it for $16,500. It was on ebay, but the owner was local....I'd recommend taking your time and checking out the net. I like the idea of having nearly 3 years of warranty on it being the the original owner had purchased it in June of 05....You will love the power centerstand, and the exhaust sounds better too for whatever reason (maybe the extra horspower this year?)

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Changing the break fluid on the 99 is easy. You want to verify the 99ís starter relay has been changed, along with a reprogrammed computer chip for the engine. And, that the 99 has a skid plate.

With the price difference, you might be able to order a new rear drive with the new bearing in it, and have it installed.

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Your going to get a number of replies to this question, but I would agree the 2003 has some pretty good advantages over the 99. I bought an 03 LTC back in May and paid 13,200 with shipping. It had 7500 miles on it, so the price seems ok unless we both are getting scr..d!!!
Buying from a dealer you also have some recourse as well as the servicing is probably up to snuff. The 12k alone can run 500-800 bucks. Good luck with whatever you decide and I hope it brings you years of enjoyment.
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At a dealer a 1999 K1200ltc, 11,000 miles, price $9,600,.... or a 2003 K1200Ltc, 7000 miles,price $13,900. Is the 2003 worth the extra money. Both are in great shape. I am thinking about the rear bearing issue and any other improvements that the 2003 may have. thanks
the '03 will have the power assited brakes, which are flat out awesome!!!

they started that in '02


the only advantage I see in the 99 is it has a taller 5th gear ratio giving some better gas mileages, and the price,

go for the '03 IMHO

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Honest,, this is a no brainer!! $4,000. difference thats only a thousand a year,, You really need to look hard at the 03. Mechanical changes between 99 and 03 makes the 03 the better choice no matter the price........regards Pete
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Dag! I hate to go against the grain here . . . but . . . $4300 difference buys you a lot of accessories, and it might be a cheaper way to really find out if the LT is really the bike for you. And if the rear drive is really bothering you, you could have the 99's rear drive changed out and still be over $3000 ahead. Personally, I say, ride the '99 until it breaks. "IF" it even breaks.

I just don't know if the 03's better brakes and newer model appeal is worth $4300. That's a lot of dough. (IMHO) What's your CFO think?

Good luck,
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I'd agree with Joe. There are a lot of us '99 owners out here who love our bikes and see no reason to change anytime soon. Either way you'll be happy.
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The 99 is the first of the current model year. There have been some refinements since then. I hate buying the first year of a model. I'd op for the 03.

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well you have a good point Joe, unless something happens to the bike where ins may need to step in pay for it, because I don't think a '99 would actually get that selling price out of a ins company,
I think the 99 is a fair deal, but not if you figure in all the other stuff, insurance company would only pay out 5-6k if it were totaled, they don't care about mileage on 7 yr old model vehicles any more nada shows a 99 lt from 5600 to 7400 (yea maybe some options will get you the higher price) they show a '03 from 9500 to 12840


seems to me the '03 is a better value, you can figure when your planning on buying something that IF something were to happen, 9it get stolen or totaled your fault or not, you will get retail nada or darn close
(you forget getting more unless you are going to fight them to death)

he said 1999 K1200ltc, 11,000 miles, price $9,600,.... or a 2003 K1200Ltc, 7000 miles,price $13,900 the '03 is real close to nada now, the 99 is higher than nada, so he starts off in the hole the day he buys it

just something to think about when you are going to spend between 9-14k dollars

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To throw a bigger wrench in the works there was a posting a while
back for a 2000 LTC with 18k, here in the Akron area for $6995.

Now your 7 grand apart, Geez thats another Sport bike, Car, Boat,
Couple nice Guitars etc.

I've never been one to have to have NEW! I've always had fun shopping for
a well maintained slightly used vehicle that has already had the big hit on depreciation.

That leaves some extra $$$'s for the previosly mentioned stuff, recreation
(Thinking Spring Camp right now), etc.

Your profile doesn't say where you are but here's the link.

Good news is there really is no wrong decision It's a great BIKE!

http://www.bmwlt.com/forums/showthre...ighlight=akron

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Larry, to be fair, that posting for $6995 was a bike with minor damage.

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I realized that, just making a general comparison/reference.

Besides, the longer I've been around here it seems most have a couple
scratches from being dropped anyway. Kind of standard equipment!!

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Go for the 03 model. I think with the improvements over 99 you would be happier. Good luck in your decislion.
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I think the '99 is a little pricey...

Probably the '03 is pretty much on the top also. But the warranty is a big item to help with buyer's remorse..

I would base my decision on the farkles.. If the '03 had costly extras that would be my choice. If they were both bare I would look at the '99 and negotiate a few thousand off. Service options would be an easy target ... if you don't do your own service.

The '99 may be like a new bike but you will also take a big depreciation hit if it is involved with any type of recovery on an insurance claim.

Bottom line is the difference may only be $4,700 but that is almost 50% more...

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1 have a 2002 LTE with 5,500 miles. it has the Garmin GPS system, new windsheild, throttle cables, intercomm, 6-disc CD, CB radio, AM/FM cass, heated grips/seats. I would sell for $13,900.
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I think the '99 is a little pricey...

Probably the '03 is pretty much on the top also. But the warranty is a big item to help with buyer's remorse..

I would base my decision on the farkles.. If the '03 had costly extras that would be my choice. If they were both bare I would look at the '99 and negotiate a few thousand off. Service options would be an easy target ... if you don't do your own service.

The '99 may be like a new bike but you will also take a big depreciation hit if it is involved with any type of recovery on an insurance claim.

Bottom line is the difference may only be $4,700 but that is almost 50% more...
You da man Jack.
Almost exactly my thoughts.
They are both a bit high.
If you aren't doing your own work( or even if you are) the warranty is VERY valuable.
Push'em both on the price and/or shop some more.

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take the '99

That said, I would negotiate the price down a couple thousand. Maybe they would throw in an extended warranty. I paid $1200 for 3 years/unlimited miles on my 99. Used very little of that but it was worth the peace of mind.
The servo assisted linked brakes are nice, you only have to have a feather touch to stop the bike. On the other hand the '99 still has the ABS and it does not take much to stop in a very short distance. Servo assist is for grannys with arthritis. Honestly a '99 should go for around $7k in my oppinion if it has under 50k miles. Regardless of miles it still has 7 years on it. My bet is the dealer will probably take 2 grand less than what they are asking, just walk in with the cash or check or bank approved loan. They want to sell it.
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I would take the 99'. Love mine, stops great and is easy to do all maintenance. I agree that $9600 is a little high so offer less or have them give you a warranty. If they don't, there are plenty of bargains out there and you don't have to look very hard.

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There is a 2000 that just went in on consignment at A&S Cycles www.ascycles.com give Ted Hudson a call. I know the bike. The owner took good care of it and just 10 days ago did a 12K mile service interval on it. It's on consignment because he bought a 2004 LT. It is priced right too.



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Negotiate for a lower price ($8000-$8500) and buy the '99. Spend the savings on accessories and don't worry about the rear drive issue (failure rate is 4-5%, thus, you have a low probability of experiencing a failure). If you are concerned about the rear drive, perform a preemptive replacement (do this yourself) and save some major bucks and a potential headache. You will be way ahead going this route. Remember, regardless of what anyone tells you to the contrary, the '03 is no more immune to a rear drive failure than is the '99 and it is essentially the same bike minus a little fluff.
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2002 LTC just listed

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At a dealer a 1999 K1200ltc, 11,000 miles, price $9,600,.... or a 2003 K1200Ltc, 7000 miles,price $13,900. Is the 2003 worth the extra money. Both are in great shape. I am thinking about the rear bearing issue and any other improvements that the 2003 may have. thanks
Here you go. One just listed on our illustrious forum in classifieds:

http://www.bmwlt.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2416
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At a dealer a 1999 K1200ltc, 11,000 miles, price $9,600,.... or a 2003 K1200Ltc, 7000 miles,price $13,900. Is the 2003 worth the extra money. Both are in great shape. I am thinking about the rear bearing issue and any other improvements that the 2003 may have. thanks
I think the 03 is a bit high unless it has a lot of add on stuff.
I was going to buy an 03 for $13,500 with extra stuff on this spring, but found another deal for a very low mileage (1300 miles) black 03 LTC for $11,500. Used the savings to buy new helmets, and Jackets and rain gear for me and my wife. Also added bag liners, tank bag, rack bag. You can see where this is going.

My friend paid about the same price as the 99 above for his 99 two seasons ago. But his bike did not have the heated seats.

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Smile I bought the 2003 thanks for the help

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At a dealer a 1999 K1200ltc, 11,000 miles, price $9,600,.... or a 2003 K1200Ltc, 7000 miles,price $13,900. Is the 2003 worth the extra money. Both are in great shape. I am thinking about the rear bearing issue and any other improvements that the 2003 may have. thanks
Thanks for all the information. I bought the 2003 with a two year extended warranty,and my trade in price.
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At a dealer a 1999 K1200ltc, 11,000 miles, price $9,600,.... or a 2003 K1200Ltc, 7000 miles,price $13,900. Is the 2003 worth the extra money. Both are in great shape. I am thinking about the rear bearing issue and any other improvements that the 2003 may have. thanks
Go for 2003. I think there were no or very little rear end failures with 03 and up.

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Thanks for all the information. I bought the 2003 with a two year extended warranty,and my trade in price.
Congrat's on the purchase!, the brakes work watch them <grin>

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