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ME 880 in the Wet

Coming back home from a very soggy ride today out of Lexington (Mid-Ohio), twice I was suprised by the slipping front tire. This is not the first time, new or old ME 880 tires have slipped on me. Now I'm twice a cautious when cornering with the ME 880s. Even the back tire broke free on me in Fostoria as I applied power once around the corner (I fishtailed it).

Have you experienced this as well?

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Many say Metzelers don't grip in the rain. I've slipped mine a couple of times but I take it easy on wet pavement. I don't think anything made of rubber will grip wet pavement............but I could be wrong...........

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ME880 in the wet

I think you should PM Dave Shealey and ask him.

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never had a prob. i usually slow down
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Avons will grip in the rain, I feel more confident in gravel with them also. Just not sure how long they will last. Time will tell.

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ME800 Wet Miles

Last 3 years, over 50K+ miles on ME880's (front & rear) w/plenty of rain encounters, have never had one slip. But I qualify that by adding wet + 2 wheels to me equates to lots more caution. Really careful in curves and power-on's is the way I ride in wet.

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Rode in the worst rain of my life ( last 30 years riding) going to the MOA in WI. The ME 880's held the rode great. I have been running 880's for the last 6 years and never had a problem.

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Use a bit more caution in the rain with the Me 880's. I have slipped w/them.

I do believe that they are the longest lasting tire, I've ever used, but because of the dreaded "front end wiggle" I had to go to another mfg for both the front and rear tires. If you don't have that problem.....I'd stay with the 880's............but be careful when in the wet.

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Have never had a problem with the 880s, and have ridden for days in the rain. Only time I have slipped is on tar snakes.
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Wet....Rain what is this stuff? Haven't seen it for a long time.. Enjoyed some real thick fog in Carmel last weekend coming down Ca.1

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I've ridden about 50k on ME880s and lots in the rain. They will slip on tar snakes and some painted center lines when wet but I think most tires will. I always slow down and ride with smoother use of the brakes and throttle in the rain and have had no problems. It takes lots of throttle, or maybe a heavy trailer, to make one fishtail in the rain.
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Never had a problem with the ME880's, and I am a front brake only rider - wet or dry.

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Just road over 500 miles on saturday on the 100,000 foot club ride in Colorado. Once, on a very smooth road, at about 65+, I felt a slight slip and kept it slow. The only time I felt that before was when they were brand new and it was wet.

They are not as solid in the rain as the BT020s. But, they have everything else going for them.

Just need to be very cautious in the rain...
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I try to stay under 100mph in the rain for just that reason, under 80 when pulling the pop up trailer.
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I took a trip to Kansas City from Waco in May and experienced quite a bit of rain. I felt confident and in-control at all times riding on the ME 880s. Around town, have also ridden in the rain/on wet streets; no issues or concerns.

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Just the other day I was coming home from work had rained earlier. I was accelerating from a stop, approached slight uphill grade and I noticed what I thought was clutch slippage. A moment later the rear of the bike started coming out. I've had a few other minor slides.
No one has mentioned this yet, it sounds like the majority of LT'ers bump up their tire pressures. I would imagine this would increase the chances of sliding near the limit?
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I've been riding with Metzelers for over 20 years. These Me880's are a different animal than the models I have used in the past.
On dry pavement they grip like a tiger, and with wear, they become noisy and
some slippage is apparent in the rain.
I have read other riders have had good things to say about "Avon Storms" , so that might be my next tire aquisition.

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Around here they use this stuff to patch cracks in the road. No grit of any kind added to it, so when it rains, the stuff is like wet metal.
I ran up state rd hill (PA 77 out of Meadville) in the rain one day, the whole hill was a mase of this stuff. The bike would only shift an inch or two before hooking up again, but 3 miles of it was hectic even for me.
ABATE has for years been asking them to put some sand in it, falls on deaf ears.
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Coming back home from a very soggy ride today out of Lexington (Mid-Ohio), twice I was suprised by the slipping front tire. This is not the first time, new or old ME 880 tires have slipped on me. Now I'm twice a cautious when cornering with the ME 880s. Even the back tire broke free on me in Fostoria as I applied power once around the corner (I fishtailed it).

Have you experienced this as well?

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Definitely had that problem with them myself. My one and only set of ME880s caused me heart stoppage 4-5 times. Over 8 sets of BT020 radials with no slips. Someone said the for the newer 880s Metzeler may have changed their compounds, but I would not trust them after that first set. They are good tires for the most part, but absolutely do not have the wet grip of the 020s, period. I gladly gave up front tire mileage to get the better wet grip on the rear by changing to the 020s. Funny though, even though the rear 020 had much better wet grip, it actually lasted longer than the rear 880! The front was another matter, could have gotten 14K out of the front 880, the 020s only lasted 8-9K.

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I won't even put a Metzler on my GT after riding one set on the LT for about 4 thousand miles. I couldn't take them off fast enough to suit me. If they'll slip under power, what about a panic stop? Even riding cautiously if some butt head were to pull a stoopid human trick, you nail the brakes and the Metz's don't grip as well.....?????

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Around here they use this stuff to patch cracks in the road. No grit of any kind added to it, so when it rains, the stuff is like wet metal.
I ran up state rd hill (PA 77 out of Meadville) in the rain one day, the whole hill was a mase of this stuff. The bike would only shift an inch or two before hooking up again, but 3 miles of it was hectic even for me.
ABATE has for years been asking them to put some sand in it, falls on deaf ears.
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Rock-they use that shit in Ohio too..It is really bordering criminality on many of our roads-they are riddled with the stuff..I certainly BITCHED here about tar snakes!!

I have an 880 on the front and the snakes have been the only puckerer!!

Snakes are applied way too thick on some roads so that when its hot they grab your bike and literally pull it around....then when its wet they are slicker than snot!!!(RANT OVER)

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Metz came stock on my FJR and they were simply the worst wet condition tire I have ever experienced. Since I am Seattle-based and ride year round, this is "a bad thing". Yanked them as fast as I could and replaced with the old Avon Azaro's. Night and day difference and a huge confidence gain. Now running the Storms and I have to say they are living up to the hype. One of, if not the best, sport touring tire I have used on any bike at any price.

I'm running the storm up front on the LT with a BT020 radial in the back and its a match made in heaven. The iron wear, stability, and grip of the BT w/ the same going on up front without the BT front cupping. Once the last of my BT020 rear stash runs out, storms in the back too. Ditch the Metz and go Avon, you will never go back.
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Avon Radial front, BT020 Radial rear, period. Great traction wet or dry, and the more aggressive profiles make the LT feel 50 lbs lighter. I was getting 6-7K miles on a rear, and 14-17K from a front.

Even the newer BT020 Bias tires do everything better than the ME880s, except maybe mileage. But one good slip or lay down and I don't care how much you saved by using rock-hard tires. ANd yes, you do slow a bit in the wet, but like Grif said, sometimes you need to drop anchor and I want something I can trust under me.

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RE: ME 880 in the Wet

Never ran on Metzler tires. I'm running Bridgestones on the 07 LT. The trip through Canada in June was a wet one with lots of heavy rain. The Bridgestones surprised me in that they stuck to the road as well as they did. I was used to the tires on a circa 1980's Goldwing which was twitchy as the dickens in the rain. The LT was very steady in the corners at speed and I never had even a minor slip from either tire. But, Bridgestones are not very good for milage....
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I've used nothing the Metzlers on my LT. I've had some slippage in curves on a couple of the tires and none on others. I just ride a little more carefully in the rain.

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I am not at all happy with the Metzelers in the rain. Next time I need a set I'm going with the Avon Storms

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Never had much of problem with the ME880's in the rain, at least nothing to cause me any concern.

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Never had much of problem with the ME880's in the rain, at least nothing to cause me any concern.
That is fine, as long as you are aware that they can be an issue, and ride appropriately you may be OK. I never rode all that hard on them, but had 4-5 slips in places I never expected them. Over the next 3 plus years ran 020's and got to where I rode considerably harder when wet (still somewhat conservative though) due to developed trust in the Bridgestones.

It only takes ONE slip when totally unexpected to ruin your day. Therefore I gave up the mileage of the 880s for the added "insurance" of the much better wet grip.

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That is fine, as long as you are aware that they can be an issue, and ride appropriately you may be OK. I never rode all that hard on them, but had 4-5 slips in places I never expected them. Over the next 3 plus years ran 020's and got to where I rode considerably harder when wet (still somewhat conservative though) due to developed trust in the Bridgestones.

It only takes ONE slip when totally unexpected to ruin your day. Therefore I gave up the mileage of the 880s for the added "insurance" of the much better wet grip.
True enough, I should have also mentioned that I do not ride as fast in the rain as on dry and that I have had some dirt riding experience, so sliding around a bit is something that I am use to and handle. Also, being based in Phoenix a good rain tire is not as important to me as mileage.

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I won't even put a Metzler on my GT after riding one set on the LT for about 4 thousand miles. I couldn't take them off fast enough to suit me. If they'll slip under power, what about a panic stop? Even riding cautiously if some butt head were to pull a stoopid human trick, you nail the brakes and the Metz's don't grip as well.....?????

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Grif - what kind of tires were on Barbara when you had that minor accident on the wet road a year or so ago?

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metzlers ive had track better or make the bike track better to me especially at higher speeds.....and they definitely last longer
sometime last year up at ironhorse i had to get new tires and all i could get was bridgestones....
the bridgestones are stickier for sure......but dont last as long....
and on my bike....i think the metzlers were better....(to me)
as fate would have it tho i had a flat recently and had to get a new rear which is prolonging my bridgestone experience....

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