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I've had a busy couple weeks with the LT, swapped fluids on the rear drive, trans, changed the oil, swapped plugs, even learned what a B**ch it is to remove the ENTIRE damn fuel tank to get to the air filter, etc.

I've been less than thrilled with the audio performance on the beast, so I followed the lead of CCPastorjack and decided to upgrade. Went with Alpine SPS-130A 5 1/4" 2-way speakers after talking to Crutchfield and researching reviews.

The SPS-130A speakers have a high performance center tweeter that is "aimable" in the direction you want, made from poly not paper (therefore water safe--like the OEM's) 35 watt constant, with 175 watt max, 4ohm, 45-30,000 hz, 92 db sensitivity, bla bla bla (better than OEM).

(Originally I tried Pyle brand marine speakers, but they sucked, and I was told that any speaker made of poly instead of paper is just fine for our applications)

Anyway, I've read past threads where some members said they noticed a significant difference, some noticed none at all--I have noticed a huge difference. Now, granted, my OEM speakers (I have an '04) were brittle as hell...perhaps because the bike spent three years in Atlanta before I bought it and brought it to Dallas, so it's been a hot weather steed, I don't know. Pics below show the difference between old and new.

I've posted a WORD document with step by step pics and instructions for anyone interested in doing the same, with the disclaimer that I am no pro...in other words, I take no responsibility if you blow anything up.

Now, the best part...

I got my speakers off of EBay for $33.94 INCLUDING SHIPPING per pair!

if you want to see the install stuff, I put the file on: http://www.bmwlt.com/files/displayimage.php?pos=-131

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Talking Great job!

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Step 7=B
turn key on, 2 full twists of throttle, turn key off!
Then step 8
I keep forgetting that part and only remember when the bike runs crappy! Thanks for the directions. I'm doing it.

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Step 7=B
turn key on, 2 full twists of throttle, turn key off!
Then step 8
I keep forgetting that part and only remember when the bike runs crappy! Thanks for the directions. I'm doing it.

d'oh...BMW's manual says "one" I always do three...

lemme know what you think of the swap, and remember my OEM speakers were old and dry and brittle (as Rodney Dangerfield would say "Like my wife...") so your results may vary.

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Did you replace the front?

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fronts...

yup, did the fronts as well, didn't think to take pics.

Same basic process as the rears, the only difference was that the speakers aren't a direct and easy fit like the rears are--the bracket that holds the OEM speaker down fits a little differently.

My way around it was to remove the OEM speaker, place the plastic oblong bracket back in its place, then bend three of the four finger-like prongs at the base of the new speakers (used for mounting the speaker) upwards with a flat pliers so the new speaker was "round." Then I took a spare, large washer, slipped that over the 12 o'clock screw for the original speaker, and used that to attach the new one, screwed it down, and it was very solid.

The front speakers have a very intricate rubber gasket around them that makes it challenging, but the connections are identical...just unplug and plug the new ones in, one is smaller than the other so you can't do it incorrectly, and both front and rear are 5 1/4".

I've attached a word doc of screenshots of the '04 and earlier manual showing BMW's instructions for front and rear replacement, keep in mind that there is no separate tweeter if you go with what I did...which is just ONE option...

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thanks

i appreciate that info and the time you took to research and document things
ive been wanting to change out my front speakers for a while
ive ridden most of the last year without the top bag on the back and my front speakers werent too good before i started that....and now they are worse....

im gonna round up some of those and see what happens!

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That's just awesome Pete - I'm ordering up four in just a few minutes.

Quick question for 'ya: Is it possible to do the fronts without removing the upper fairing per BMW's instructions? Looks like the grills just pop off and then you're in?

Thanks!


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That's just awesome Pete - I'm ordering up four in just a few minutes.

Quick question for 'ya: Is it possible to do the fronts without removing the upper fairing per BMW's instructions? Looks like the grills just pop off and then you're in?

Thanks!

can't say on the '05's and beyond, but for mine, I had to take the side upper fairings off, remove the windshield, take off the front tupperware, remove the stingray, THEN take off the entire piece...the "grilles" are attached from the inside...

although, after all that, I did think that taking a sawz-all to it would have been a lot easier. Come to think of it, a nice pair of in-ear headphones for the ipod would have solved my problem, too...

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can't say on the '05's and beyond, but for mine, I had to take the side upper fairings off, remove the windshield, take off the front tupperware, remove the stingray, THEN take off the entire piece...the "grilles" are attached from the inside...

although, after all that, I did think that taking a sawz-all to it would have been a lot easier. Come to think of it, a nice pair of in-ear headphones for the ipod would have solved my problem, too...
And you've found that the OEM audio system drives these speakers with enough power? Ie, no external amp necessary?

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And you've found that the OEM audio system drives these speakers with enough power? Ie, no external amp necessary?

I replaced just the right side first so I could answer just that question for myself. Yes, the OEM system drives it. The new speaker was louder at the same volume setting than the old one, clearer, and sounded better. And the new speakers handled much higher volume (from the handlebar volume "switch") before noticable distortion than the old ones.

Again, my old OEM speakers were pretty brittle, your results may vary...

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Thanks for the info... definitely a project I'm gonna consider... add it to the list of others that's growing everyday. ha.

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I think the moderators are not getting my message or are not responding at this time. I have attempted to click on the thread and have tried the files. No luck. I am hoping the speakers come in soon and right now plan on working on them over the weekend.
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I've had a busy couple weeks with the LT, swapped fluids on the rear drive, trans, changed the oil, swapped plugs, even learned what a B**ch it is to remove the ENTIRE damn fuel tank to get to the air filter, etc.

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(Originally I tried Pyle brand marine speakers, but they sucked, and I was told that any speaker made of poly instead of paper is just fine for our applications)

Anyway, I've read past threads where some members said they noticed a significant difference, some noticed none at all--I have noticed a huge difference. Now, granted, my OEM speakers (I have an '04) were brittle as hell...perhaps because the bike spent three years in Atlanta before I bought it and brought it to Dallas, so it's been a hot weather steed, I don't know. Pics below show the difference between old and new.

I've posted a WORD document with step by step pics and instructions for anyone interested in doing the same, with the disclaimer that I am no pro...in other words, I take no responsibility if you blow anything up.

Now, the best part...

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My question is this: was the improvement in audio quality significant enough to take on this task?

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very very much so...but I say that with the disclaimer that my OEM speakers were old and dry and brittle (you know, like Griff likes his womens!), so it's certainly possible that "your results may vary."

I wear a full-face helmet, have noticed a dramatic improvement in FM radio, cd, zumo-fed XM radio, mp3, and ipod audio.

would do it again in a heartbeat.

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My question is this: was the improvement in audio quality significant enough to take on this task?
It was a HUGE improvement on the rears. I used MTX 5 1/4 and it is night and day. No tweeter separate, just a good 2 way speaker. As soon as I do a Tupperware gig, I will do the fronts. Less then an hour for the rears so it is worth it big time.

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Correction I used

Kicker 5 1/4" Coaxial Speakers
Model #: KKR 055KS525

Smooth, Sweet, and nice output.

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I tried a pair of MTX 5001 component speakers. They are great speakers almost to good for the bike. They went in the rear with very little trouble but will not work in the front without quite a lot of modification. The magnets are to large to fit in the stock box. The other problem is you really can't get the potential of the speaker without adding more amp.
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The SPS-130A speakers have a high performance center tweeter that is "aimable" in the direction you want, made from poly not paper (therefore water safe--like the OEM's) 35 watt constant, with 175 watt max, 4ohm, 45-30,000 hz, 92 db sensitivity, bla bla bla (better than OEM).Pete
Hi Pete, thanks for the heads up!
Nice mod.
Now for the amp

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Talked me into it, boys! Ordered a pair of thse for half retail and am ready to install for a long awaited improvement to the audio. Of course, I'll have to take the FW rack off...won't sound too good with the luggage carrier on the shelf! Wow...just in time to put it away for winter!!! Thanks for the thread!

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Yeah...now where does the sub-woofer go?

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Talked me into it, boys! Ordered a pair of thse for half retail and am ready to install for a long awaited improvement to the audio. Of course, I'll have to take the FW rack off...won't sound too good with the luggage carrier on the shelf! Wow...just in time to put it away for winter!!! Thanks for the thread!
You will not be disappointed, and for the price you cant beat them. I look forward to doing a pair in the front also.

36.95 on Flea Bay now.

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Cut a hole behind the passenger back rest?

Bungee a Bazooka Tube to the rack?

How about in that false exhaust from another thread?

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I replaced my rear speakers with alpines, great sound out of them, unfortunately I was only privy to the sound for a few weeks as my amp went out and all I have is the front now, currently looking to replace the radio or find somone who can repair it, which does not seem possible.
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You will not be disappointed, and for the price you cant beat them. I look forward to doing a pair in the front also.

60 bucks to the door from Flea Bay from an add on there now.
http://www.hookedontronics.com/show_...ker_05%2BKS525

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Good price, I was being general.

Guy on Flea Bay are like 36.95 and then 19.00 for shipping, what a rip we get on shipping these days.

At any rate they are good sounding speakers at least on my 07, and I will put a pair in the front next Summer.

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Guy on Flea Bay are like 36.95 and then 19.00 for shipping, what a rip we get on shipping these days.
That as you may be aware is because there is no commission on the carriage. Therefore if you sell something very cheap but high carriage, there is a much reduced bill. Have you seen some of the far eastern ebayers? 1p per item and £10 post (general example)

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Just curious

I can understand wanting better sound from the built in speakers, but at normal riding speed (40-80) can you really make out what you are listening to well enough to follow the GPS audio?

I find that the only way I can really hear clearly is through the speakers in my helmet. I did not like the way the original Auto Com sounded so last year I replaced them with Titanium speakers from Radio Shack and now the sound is awesome. This was a members suggestion that took little time to do and was really worth the results.

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Good price, I was being general.

Guy on Flea Bay are like 36.95 and then 19.00 for shipping, what a rip we get on shipping these days.

At any rate they are good sounding speakers at least on my 07, and I will put a pair in the front next Summer.

Have fun you are going to like them.
Yeah...shipping on ebay is a major consideration when buying. Hey, try Overstock.com! $48.95 includes shipping! That speaker gets good reviews!

Now for that subwoofer!

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I can understand wanting better sound from the built in speakers, but at normal riding speed (40-80) can you really make out what you are listening to well enough to follow the GPS audio?

I find that the only way I can really hear clearly is through the speakers in my helmet. I did not like the way the original Auto Com sounded so last year I replaced them with Titanium speakers from Radio Shack and now the sound is awesome. This was a members suggestion that took little time to do and was really worth the results.
I can only imagine...but at highway speeds I doubt there's much improvement; zero audio quality X infinitity (infinite audio improvement) will still be zero! However, I'd be mucho pleased if I could get better audio just putting around town; I'd plug in the helmet for highway audio.

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I don't have any problems hearing audio and my GPS commands at 85-90 mph with the new alpine speakers as shown in my mods, and that's with a shoei multitec modular helmet (full-face), and faceshield closed. Couldn't hear either well before.

Oh, further "props" for the "under fifty bucks" upgrade...I also have significant hearing loss thanks to an existing brain tumor, so if you still doubt whether it's worth three fill-ups of premium to upgrade your speakers, I'd recommend a decent pair of in-ear headphones instead.

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I checked overstock.com and the only Alpines they have now are 6"x9". Just a bit too big without serious alteration.

I ordered a pair of Clarion SRR1316 for $20.00 plus $2.95 shipping. Response is 40Hz to 30kHz, so there may be slightly more low end than the Alpines. Their response was 45Hz to 30kHz. The difference might be undetectable. I listened to Alpine's current model, SPS-13CS at BestBuy today. Had they not been $96, I would have bought them on the spot. Really good sound and bass response. fle-bay had them for $54 including shipping. Considered it, but I don't think I went wrong with the Clarions. I've had a Clarion receiver in the car since '99.

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QUOTE from Lee510:

"I checked overstock.com and the only Alpines they have now are 6"x9". Just a bit too big without serious alteration."


Overstock.com has the Kicker KS525 which is what I was referring to.

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Re: Speaker Upgrade

This is GREAT! Thank you guys for the information. With my LT being 8yrs old I'm sure the speakers have aged too. Since seeing my 1st Porsche as a kid I've always liked Alpine.
Thank you Pete for starting this thread!

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This is GREAT! Thank you guys for the information. With my LT being 8yrs old I'm sure the speakers have aged too. Since seeing my 1st Porsche as a kid I've always liked Alpine.
Thank you Pete for starting this thread!
I only replaced my rear speakers and improvement in quality and output is terrific! Would like to do the fronts also, but that's a bigger project than I want to tackle right now. Good luck!

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