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K1200LT Questions

I've started to think about the possibility of buying a K1200LT but don't know much about them. I've looked at the BMW site but can't tell if new ones have reverse gear and air bags like new Goldwings do. Obviously I haven't gone to a BMW dealer yet but would like to be a little more knowledgable before I take that step. I was hoping it would be significantly lighter than my Valkyrie but from other posts I've seen I guess LT doesn't stand for light. At about 900 lbs with a full tank of gas and bags packed it's getting to be a drag pushing or pulling the Valk around in tight spots so reverse gear would be nice. Any hope for that on the LT?

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I was down in your town last weekend, at the tech session. all 1200LT's have power reverser. The weight you don't notice it untill you stop. But eventually it feels like a regular bike. Just make sure you ride one before you buy it. Make sure the seat height is not too tall.

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yes on the reverse

It is a lever by your left boot and then use the starter motor to back up.
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No air bags available like the GW. Make sure you go for a good test ride. Once you ride it, you'll love it.

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No air bags available like the GW. Make sure you go for a good test ride. Once you ride it, you'll love it.
But that power window is a lot better than the one on the GW.

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My double Ott has an airbag....sits right behind me in the passenger seat...

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I've started to think about the possibility of buying a K1200LT but don't know much about them. I've looked at the BMW site but can't tell if new ones have reverse gear and air bags like new Goldwings do. Obviously I haven't gone to a BMW dealer yet but would like to be a little more knowledgable before I take that step. I was hoping it would be significantly lighter than my Valkyrie but from other posts I've seen I guess LT doesn't stand for light. At about 900 lbs with a full tank of gas and bags packed it's getting to be a drag pushing or pulling the Valk around in tight spots so reverse gear would be nice. Any hope for that on the LT?

Thanks,

VR
Hi Vance,

I've always got my bike available for test rides as long as I see the other persons current ride and am confident they know how to ride. Otherwise, Charlotte BMW will take good care of you.

We're always in Hickory and we are only 20 miles west from you. PM me if you want to take a closer look at the LT and have more questions answered.

I love mine and will keep it for a long time. Reverse is on all and works great when needed.

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Hi Wantbmw,
Between me & my brother we have a 1800 GW , R1200RT & a 07 LT.
The RT is a different bike to the other two though often compared with them.
In my opinion, the LT rules by far when it comes riding position (the saddle feel) & has a much nicer cornering ability (I also can't tell you how much I appreciate the adjustable wind shield once you really get to know how to use it).
However, the Goldwing proved a much more reliable machine.
Last year my brother drove from Kuwait to Paris (approx. 5000 miles in total) with 8 other bikers, it included 2 LTs & 4 GWs & other bikes.
None of the Hondas burped once ( in fact, to date) but with the LT's, One lost its shaft seal (while in Germany as it happens ) & the other one developed a mild noise in the engine by the time the trip had ended.
Japanese quality is way more superior (& less costly to maintain) & I say this having used many different makes of both cars & bikes but going back to the GW & LT, If you want the "Bike feel", the LT is the bike. GW feels much more "car'ish".
As for wight, they are both heavy & skill & experience is needed to handle either. Once you got the good feel, you'll never worry about the bulk.
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I was down in your town last weekend, at the tech session. all 1200LT's have power reverser. The weight you don't notice it untill you stop. But eventually it feels like a regular bike. Just make sure you ride one before you buy it. Make sure the seat height is not too tall.
Same with the Valkyrie, weight not a problem till you are stopped. If you aren't paying attention and get off center things get exciting very quickly. Good point about the seat, at 6'3" the Valk bucket seat height is perfect for me with feet flat on the ground and knees still bent. Thanks for the info.

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It is a lever by your left boot and then use the starter motor to back up.
Sounds like the type of system used on the Goldwing...good. Thanks.

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But that power window is a lot better than the one on the GW.
Plus BMW has that nifty power center stand, don't know if Goldwings have that. Valkyries don't have any center stand.

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Hi Vance,

I've always got my bike available for test rides as long as I see the other persons current ride and am confident they know how to ride. Otherwise, Charlotte BMW will take good care of you.

We're always in Hickory and we are only 20 miles west from you. PM me if you want to take a closer look at the LT and have more questions answered.

I love mine and will keep it for a long time. Reverse is on all and works great when needed.

Have fun,
Thanks for the offer, I'll keep that in mind.

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Hi Wantbmw,
Between me & my brother we have a 1800 GW , R1200RT & a 07 LT.
The RT is a different bike to the other two though often compared with them.
In my opinion, the LT rules by far when it comes riding position (the saddle feel) & has a much nicer cornering ability (I also can't tell you how much I appreciate the adjustable wind shield once you really get to know how to use it).
However, the Goldwing proved a much more reliable machine.
Last year my brother drove from Kuwait to Paris (approx. 5000 miles in total) with 8 other bikers, it included 2 LTs & 4 GWs & other bikes.
None of the Hondas burped once ( in fact, to date) but with the LT's, One lost its shaft seal (while in Germany as it happens ) & the other one developed a mild noise in the engine by the time the trip had ended.
Japanese quality is way more superior (& less costly to maintain) & I say this having used many different makes of both cars & bikes but going back to the GW & LT, If you want the "Bike feel", the LT is the bike. GW feels much more "car'ish".
As for wight, they are both heavy & skill & experience is needed to handle either. Once you got the good feel, you'll never worry about the bulk.
"Car'ish" is a good description for my current view of the Goldwing. Not sure why the LT appears less so to me but it does. We like BMW cars, my wife drives an '04 330I convertible but when the 6 year, 100K extended warranty is over I may start to sweat a little. Thanks for the feedback.

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Plus BMW has that nifty power center stand, don't know if Goldwings have that. Valkyries don't have any center stand.

VR
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Bought my '06 from Charlotte BMW. Good people and very supportive. After a recent 4897 mile run in 9 days I must say I love this bike. I have the mick-o-pegs and am going to add the highway ottomans.

My last bike was a HD Road King and it had me spoiled re leg position. Getting used to the 'Euro Posture' is tough on an old fart like me.....
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Bought my '06 from Charlotte BMW. Good people and very supportive. After a recent 4897 mile run in 9 days I must say I love this bike. I have the mick-o-pegs and am going to add the highway ottomans.

My last bike was a HD Road King and it had me spoiled re leg position. Getting used to the 'Euro Posture' is tough on an old fart like me.....
Hmmm.....I'm an older fart than you are, I just checked your birthdate. Does 'Euro Posture' mean my feet are going to be further back than I'm used to on the Valkyrie? I like my current arrangement. I suppose I could adapt, maybe. I'm also starting to wonder if my size 14 feet are going to have a problem staying on those itsy bitsy pegs.

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I'm also starting to wonder if my size 14 feet are going to have a problem staying on those itsy bitsy pegs.

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Hi, Vance. I'm southeast of you, just inside the county line.

Your feet will be slightly ahead of your rump when seated. Very comfortable position for me. I wear a 12 or 13 and don't have a problem with the pegs. They're much larger than what I was used to (Honda Nighthawk & Yamaha FZ6). I slide the heel of my boot to the peg and they stay right there.

I haven't test sat a Valk, but when I was looking, I spent some time on a VTX1300C. Rented a H-D Electra Glide Ultra Classic, just for fun. While I felt ok with my feet in front of me, I like having them under me in case I want to rise off the seat to reposition or ease a bump in the road.

And welcome to the boards. There are a lot of great people here, eager to help with info, etc. I'm new around here too, but attended a tech session at John Bowles' place last Sat. It was a great day. (Thanks, John!) Tech sessions pop up approx. every 6 months. It's an excellent way to see how the tupperware is removed, services are performed, etc. while having someone nearby who's done it before. Mike, (Sheldan2) is not a motorcycle surgeon, but he could be if he ever got tired of his current gig.

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Howdy..

I test rode the LT in 2004 to appease my wife. That's my story and I'm sticking to it.

That was coming from a life (ok, only 40 years) of HD and On/off other brands... never a BMW...

The LT has it's quirks... no doubt... but I don't regret it. There are 'fixes' for everything you may find doesn't "fit"... it won't be cheap.... yet, what is these days besides us riders? =)

I remember taking the test ride... being very uncomfortable, out of position, etc.. a fish out of water.... by the time we got to the first intersection, I pulled next to the salesman who rode escort and said.. "That's a dirty f....in' trick!!!" He laughed and rolled on as I followed.

Wow... what a bike! It isn't a "rocket ship"... or surgical knife, but it will impress you every day.

Whatever you do, do NOT take the test ride...

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[/QUOTE]I haven't test sat a Valk, but when I was looking, I spent some time on a VTX1300C. Rented a H-D Electra Glide Ultra Classic, just for fun. While I felt ok with my feet in front of me, I like having them under me in case I want to rise off the seat to reposition or ease a bump in the road.[QUOTE]

I just compared the Valk's peg to seat distance and compared that to a side view of an LT and it looks pretty much the same to me. Of course nothing less than a test ride will tell me how everything, including handlebars and shifter, will compare. I use an after-market kick-shifter on the Valkyrie and I really like it. Many people find regular toe shifting difficult on Valkyries with missed shifts or clunky shifts but after getting through the learning curve on the kick-shifter I much prefer it. I would hope a BMW bike would easily snick through the gears just like all fine German machinery, .
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Have ridden both, and have an LT. The GW is a great bike and very comfortable too. The LT is more fun to ride, gets much better gas mileage, and is much cheaper to buy if you go used. Like I said, rode the GW, and bought the LT.
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Have ridden both, and have an LT. The GW is a great bike and very comfortable too. The LT is more fun to ride, gets much better gas mileage, and is much cheaper to buy if you go used. Like I said, rode the GW, and bought the LT.
This reminds me of the time I took the Advanced Motorcycle Safety course about 7 or 8 years ago right after getting my Valkyrie Interstate. I hadn't ridden bikes for many years and my wife only agreed to the Valkyrie if I took the course. Anyway, this was summer time in Tampa and hotter than hell, and thank God the riding skills portion of the course was only an afternoon in length. One instructor rode a Goldwing and the other, a motorcycle cop, rode an LT. Both guys were great riders and could fling their bikes around like they were feathers. I still remember how graceful/sporty the LT looked compared to the Wing when they demonstrated the manuevers we were required to perform. The cop on the LT made it look very easy compared to the Wing, which scraped it's exhaust pipes on many maneuvers. I think that's why the LT has always been on my mind as a future possibility.

I also remember being at a huge disadvantage in that class. Not because I was by far the oldest at the time, early 50's then, nor by the fact I hadn't ridden for years. No, it was the fact that out of 15 riders in the class, 14 of them rode very loud Harleys. Well, me with a super quiet and vibration free Goldwing powerplant, I swear I had no idea if my bike was running or not at any given time due to the constant roar of all those Harleys . Consequently I stalled the bike several times from standing starts because at that time, with only a few miles worth of prior experience with the Valkyrie, I depended on some exhaust sound to know what the bike was doing. With Harleys around you can forget about hearing much of anything except them.

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