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Red Line Heavy Shockproof Gear Oil

As most of you know I had to replace the rear drive on my 2005 LT with 41,281 miles. I had caught it before it had shown any problem by having the oil analysis. I had been using Mobil 1 75W/120 Synthetic gear oil changing it about every 3,000 miles. After replacing the rear drive I was using BMW synthetic 75W/120. I changed it at 600 miles and again at 2,000 miles. Both times it looked pretty dark but no metal on the drain plug. I then took a 2,700 mile trip and when I got home I drained it and sent it in to be analysis. Again it was pretty dark. I got the test back and it said iron elevated other readings appear to be normal. Resample in 2,000 miles to monitor. This was the wear metals. The oil condition/particle count was all 0, which is good. They told me there was more wear than they felt normal, which shows oil is not doing a good job. They suggested Red Line heavy shockproof gear oil. I see where there are several on the website that are using this. I had a hard time finding it in the Omaha area but finely did. I had about 1,000 miles on the oil in the rear drive today when I drained it. This was the BMW 75W/120 oil and it came out just like new oil this time. Nothing on the drain plug so I feel the rear drive is cleaned out. I filled it with the Red Line heavy gear oil. It is just like heavy red paint. Since I had it I also changed the transmission using the Red Line oil. I will run it for at least 2,000 miles then send it in and have it analysis. I would like to hear comments from people on here that are using the Red Line oil. When I get it analysis I will post the results. I feel having the rear drive oil analysis is the best way to caught it before breaking down on the road.

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Where in Omaha did you find the Red Line Lube?

Has anyone ever had a final drive failure while using the Red Line lube in the final drive??

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105000 miles on Red Line Heavy duty shockproof and it is still pretty and pink when I change it every 24000 miles.
Use it in the tranny too.
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Where in Omaha did you find the Red Line Lube?

Has anyone ever had a final drive failure while using the Red Line lube in the final drive??
Total Performance Parts, 8427 Madison Street, Omaha, NE 68127, Phone 402-731-5000 carries Red Line Oil.

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And for those in the UK

In the UK you can get it from
http://www.cp-components.co.uk/

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I've used the Heavy in my drive since it was warrantee replaced 26K miles ago. No problems and no indication of wear when changed (magnet clean). Never had it analyzed, but so far so good. Never tried the heavy in the gearbox though. The Amsoil 75W/90 seems to be working fine there.
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I've used Red Line products for almost 25 years, great results.
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I've used it in the tranny and final drive for 15k. Goes in like strawberry milkshake and comes out like strawberry milk shake. I think it must be working!!
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Which of the Rd Line products are you using for tranny and final drive. Red Line has four products for gear oils. Check site at http://www.redlineoil.com/products_g...6&categoryID=6
I have 32,000 miles on my 06 and want to TRY and avoid a failure.

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I use the "heavy" gear oil for both gearbox and final drive. 20/50 motoroil for engine.
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I use shockproof heavy in trans and differential.......................

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Just changed mine to the heavy stuff in both the trans and final drive. WHAT A DIFFERENCE. Mobil 1 synthetic just lost a customer.
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Help me out please the BMW gear oil is 85/90. What makes Red line so much better

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Help me out please the BMW gear oil is 85/90. What makes Red line so much better

You can go to Relineoil.com and read their documentation...quite extensive, but valuable. I just put it in both my tranny and final drive and WOW..smoooooth. Really noticeable. Not too expensive either -- $8.80 a quart!

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Re: Red Line Heavy Shockproof Gear Oil

Well, this thread is about five years old as I write this; I found it in the 'similar threads' at the bottom of a current thread. Bumping it because it has interesting information and some updated wisdom on Red Line Heavy Shockproof could be useful to have in the same thread.

Personally, I have used Red Line Heavy Shockproof in my gearbox and FD on all four of my LTs. I cannot say how much smoother it is, as some other posters have, because that is all I can remember using.

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Re: Red Line Heavy Shockproof Gear Oil

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Well, this thread is about five years old as I write this; I found it in the 'similar threads' at the bottom of a current thread. Bumping it because it has interesting information and some updated wisdom on Red Line Heavy Shockproof could be useful to have in the same thread.

Personally, I have used Red Line Heavy Shockproof in my gearbox and FD on all four of my LTs. I cannot say how much smoother it is, as some other posters have, because that is all I can remember using.
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After speaking to a Redline rep at a convention here in LV a few years back, I asked him what they recommend for the BMW rear end and transmission. They recommended
the Lightweight Shockproof gear oil. There is never a really heavy load on the bike as we ride... not compared to a racing bike or car.

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Re: Red Line Heavy Shockproof Gear Oil

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As most of you know I had to replace the rear drive on my 2005 LT with 41,281 miles. I had caught it before it had shown any problem by having the oil analysis. I had been using Mobil 1 75W/120 Synthetic gear oil changing it about every 3,000 miles. After replacing the rear drive I was using BMW synthetic 75W/120. I changed it at 600 miles and again at 2,000 miles. Both times it looked pretty dark but no metal on the drain plug. I then took a 2,700 mile trip and when I got home I drained it and sent it in to be analysis. Again it was pretty dark. I got the test back and it said iron elevated other readings appear to be normal. Resample in 2,000 miles to monitor. This was the wear metals. The oil condition/particle count was all 0, which is good. They told me there was more wear than they felt normal, which shows oil is not doing a good job. They suggested Red Line heavy shockproof gear oil. I see where there are several on the website that are using this. I had a hard time finding it in the Omaha area but finely did. I had about 1,000 miles on the oil in the rear drive today when I drained it. This was the BMW 75W/120 oil and it came out just like new oil this time. Nothing on the drain plug so I feel the rear drive is cleaned out. I filled it with the Red Line heavy gear oil. It is just like heavy red paint. Since I had it I also changed the transmission using the Red Line oil. I will run it for at least 2,000 miles then send it in and have it analysis. I would like to hear comments from people on here that are using the Red Line oil. When I get it analysis I will post the results. I feel having the rear drive oil analysis is the best way to caught it before breaking down on the road.
Who rebuilt your final drive? It is very unlkely that any issue you are seeing is due to the oil "not doing a good job." If the FD was assembled correctly, any oil meeting specs will do a fine job. If the FD was not assembled correctly, then no magic potion is going to save it. It is nice that people think a magic oil will fix an incorrectly assembled FD, but just aint so.

And frequent oil changes are like looking for a magic potion oil. A properly assembled FD will easily go 12K miles on oil and probably a lot farther than that. An improperly assembled FD won't be saved by 3K mile oil changes.

The frequent changes MAY help you detect the impending failure sooner, but even that appears to be a crap shoot based on the experience of Charlie and others here. Many (most?) FDs fail with virtually no warning.

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Re: Red Line Heavy Shockproof Gear Oil

Back when I had my 03 the dealer used to use Redline but now they have gone back to the BMW rear drive oil. Has there been in negative feedback that would make them want to do that?

I had just under 80K on the 03 when I sold it and never had any rear drive problems.


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Re: Red Line Heavy Shockproof Gear Oil

Okay, gonna go and show my ignorance here, but I see threads from time to time where people are talking about getting their oil analyzed.

Question 1: where do you have this done?

Question 2: how much does it cost?

Question 3: so I assume they tell you what is in your oil that isn't supposed to be there, do they tell me what that means or do I have to come back here to the forum and rat out how dreadfully ignorant of such issues I am?

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Re: Red Line Heavy Shockproof Gear Oil

I'll add that BMW recommends 90 hypoid oil for the final drive. Ordering final drive oil from Beemer Boneyard I got 75-90 synthetic oil for the final drive which matched all the specs. What is the advantage of a 75-140 or similar? Clearly based on what I see here, I'll give redline a try after my next trip.

And ditto to the question above - I would dearly like to be able to test the oil and see if there's a problem before it happens.

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When you guys say what a difference, exactly what is the difference you are experiencing with this brand of lube? Thanks, Ed
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Back when I had my 03 the dealer used to use Redline but now they have gone back to the BMW rear drive oil. Has there been in negative feedback that would make them want to do that?

I had just under 80K on the 03 when I sold it and never had any rear drive problems.

They quit using it because the Redline had a habit of wicking up and leaking out of the top vent. Thus ruining the brake pads.

Happened to two friends of mine. Makes a real red colored mess all over the rear wheel. You will think that a seal has blown. I was riding with them on a trip when this happened and saw it first hand.
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+1 on knowing what advantages or disadvantages of going to a 75W - 140W synthetic (vs. 75W - 90W synthetic). I am currently running with 75/140 syn on my final drive and tranny.

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When you guys say what a difference, exactly what is the difference you are experiencing with this brand of lube? Thanks, Ed
Using Redline in the Trany of my LT and GSA makes shifting smoother.

I still use factory spec'd 75/90 in the Final Drives.
LT is on the origional FD at 88K.
GSA FD failed at 56K, replaced with factory new, started to weep at 76K so reinstalled origional which has been rebuilt by CharlieVT and riding onwards at 79K.
I just change all fluids every 6K myself as it's easy to do while the bike is on the lift.
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