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Never drop your bike again...

...with a set of these babies on this '08 Ultra Classic.

Straight from a demo of the new-for-'08 ABS option at today's press event at the Softail factory. Also check out the video of 'what happens without ABS'.

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post #2 of 22 Old Jul 16th, 2007, 5:15 pm
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Great video.

Do they have a video with ABS. If you show this someone, ie your sponse on ABS they have no clue. So if you had another video that shows straight line braking and go, this is what happens with ABS.

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How are you suppose to turn? I've seen bikes with "landing gear" but they retract at 10MPH>

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What kinda retard use front brake in the loose stuff?
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A new rider that gets their training from an online discussion board, maybe?

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...with a set of these babies on this '08 Ultra Classic.

Straight from a demo of the new-for-'08 ABS option at today's press event at the Softail factory. Also check out the video of 'what happens without ABS'.
I was literally just sitting here finishing up a final patent application on a new product when I saw this... VERY FUNNY!

Gee, why didn't I think of that?

Actually, it would work REALLY well for most V-twin riders since 95% of them have never had the thrilling experience of using the sides of their tires OR their FRONT brake!


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I too would like to see the same demo with ABS!
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Those would add a new dimension to lane-splitting!

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seen the BMW factory demo at americade in 05 with abs and with out abs. very impressive. if you ever get a chance watch it.
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Good thing to remember: if you lock-up the front tire, release the brake! Yeah, I know, "The LT has ABS" but how many have ABS problems on the site?

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Cool Not the point...

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Do they have a video with ABS. If you show this someone, ie your sponse on ABS they have no clue. So if you had another video that shows straight line braking and go, this is what happens with ABS.
Uh, I wasn't really trying to show off the ABS as much as I was trying to illustrate the pucker factor of losing all control in a full lockup and trusting that the outrigger that some engineer designed is going to keep you from high-siding. For the LTers on this forum, ABS is just a given, and therefore a little ho-hum. Of course it's not for the H-D crowd, however.

BUT... I did get some video of the stops with ABS. Here's a link to an extended with/without video. I also added another "without" clip that's even more out of control than the first one.

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Okay, I gotta say, the outriggers are plain stupid. If you need those, you need to be DRIVING A CAR!!! Yes the pucker factor is pretty hihg in that situation, but the rider is also giving some body english to stay on there. If you do as the rider did and don;t know what's coming, chances are an untrained rider will pop off the high side regardless, imo. And what kinda liability issue are those things anyway?

Geez at some of the stuff people create to try to mnake up for a lack of skill.

I go out on the range regularly and practice the braking skills and swerving and so on. Just to stay good with it. Proper technique would go much further, than relying on some device, be it outriggers, loud pipes, etc.

thanks for the video.
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Okay, I gotta say, the outriggers are plain stupid. If you need those, you need to be DRIVING A CAR!!! Yes the pucker factor is pretty hihg in that situation, but the rider is also giving some body english to stay on there. If you do as the rider did and don;t know what's coming, chances are an untrained rider will pop off the high side regardless, imo. And what kinda liability issue are those things anyway?
Maybe I'm just assuming everyone understood that this was an engineering/marketing demo designed to make non-ABS look bad and ABS look good. As the dealer's show video that Dean posted shows, they do also demonstrate the ABS system on a VROD without the outriggers, and I'm sure there's a demo rider out there that could probably brake hard through 30 feet of pea gravel on asphalt without ABS and not lose it. But it's a lot more sensational when you have the guy skidding sideways when he doesn't have ABS turned on, so obviously they're going to put the outriggers on and tell the rider to let things get completely out of control. I'd love to see someone slide sideways on pavement and come to an upright stop on any heavyweight motorcycle without "needing outriggers".

My point of the original post, besides offering what I thought was an obvious joke about how to avoid dropping the LT, was also to show some of the extremes that a test rider has to go through in order to give marketing something to create favorable product image.

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Lightbulb ABS on HD

and it's only an $800 option.......

well, at least it's progress.... RKO
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If you need these things, Why own a motorcycle in the first place?

Buy a Honda Shadow if you cannot ride or drop the bike all the time.

I have a K1200GT and would rather drop it than take a corner and have this dumb-ass thing knock me of the bike. The day I need one of these is the day I can not longer ride a motorcycle.

Great product to email to friends and make fun of. Thanks for the laughs!!!!
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Oh come on...

Geez guys! Didn't anybody notice the outriggers are for the ABS testing stunt.
Schweintechnik even says that in his last post.
He was joking about the falling over part.

Cool videos Schweintechnik. Thanks for sharing.

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I am from Milwaukee and it looks to me to be filmed on Harleys back lot by their "Technology Development Center". Notice the semi trailers blocking the lot. I know Technology...../......Harley. They named it ,I didn't.
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I am from Milwaukee and it looks to me to be filmed on Harleys back lot by their "Technology Development Center". Notice the semi trailers blocking the lot. I know Technology...../......Harley. They named it ,I didn't.
I'm a Harley-Davidson manufacturing engineer (translate Schweintechnik) and I'm the one who filmed the videos - the demos took place behind our Softail facility. The trailers are just empties waiting to be loaded, not really blocking the lot. We do have a "Product Development Center" in Wauwatosa, WI - but no "Technology Development Center."

By the way, I don't design our motorcycles, I just figure out how to mass produce them.

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