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How do you know when to replace your shocks?????

How or why did you replace them?? I thought I needed them once back from Alaska, but just took a 50 mile ride and the bike was smooth. So how do you know??? I rather spend the money on J pegs and a back rest.

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If it wallers in the corners and you've got them jacked all the up and have added more oil to the preloader.... it's time.



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I was bottoming-out at low speeds over speed-bumps, and also noticed some "porpoising" through the twisties. The bike just wasn't as tight.

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Pay special attention to Griff's comment on the pre-loader.

Bottle of jack oil - $3.00 (aprox)

Time to re-fill pre-loader - 15 minutes

Fundage protection - Very High, but not priceless.

My '02 has 24K on 'er. She was get'n a tad 'lumpish'. Was considering the pain of doing some new bounce dampers. Instead, I did the pre-load fill up. Now she's like a whole new bike. Dodged that one for a bit longer!

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Yup, been there.

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If it wallers in the corners and you've got them jacked all the up and have added more oil to the preloader.... it's time.

I guess it is time then. Waller in the courner it does that too. So that is it, new shocks.

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The preloader has juice added in the past. So I think it is time. I just need the reinsurance from you all. DAmb it.

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I have an '03 and have added oil to the preload 3 or 4 times. I add oil if the adjustment knob resistance drops off before the knob is backed out all the way. As was mentioned previously, jack oil is very cheap. YMMV

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My 03 is just below 50,0000 and their way gone. Wallowing with a harsh ride, bucks me out of the seat on bumps she'd used to soak up. In the process of deciding between Ohlins and Wilburs. I'm hoping tire cupping/wear may be alleviated a bit by new shocks? I'm really anxious to get them..
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Adding Oil to the Pre-loader

Griff, what is the process for adding oil to the Pre-loader? And as stated in one of the other posts: Was it correctly stated that when I don't feel any resistance on the knob but I still have some turns left before it stops at the lowest setting oil is needed?

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Adding oil to the rear shock pre-load is very easy. It's worth adding oil to the pre-load to see if it makes any difference in handling. I add oil to mine every 4-5 months.
  1. Raise the seat
  2. Rotate the pre-load adjustment knob 90 degrees. Back out the adjustment knob.
  3. Remove the hex head bolt that secures the adjustment assembly to the frame.
  4. Turn the adjustment assembly upside down and remove the banjo bolt. You will need to hold the hose you removed up to prevent any oil from draining out.
  5. Insert a small rod or screwdriver into the opening and press the adjustment plate down to the bottom of the adjustment assembly.
  6. Add jack oil to bring the level to the top of the reservoir.
  7. Assembly is the reverse of the disassembly procedure.

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Just remember, adding oil to the remote preload adjuster does not effect the damping abilities of a shock.
My 05 only had 6k on it when I ordered and installed Ohlins. As well as it rode stock, the Ohlins made a heck of an improvement.
When it starts riding like a new GW the shocks are shot.

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I guess it is time then. Waller in the courner it does that too. So that is it, new shocks.
Randy is selling a pair of brand new OEMs. If you're not in the mood to spend the money on aftermarkets. Just sayin'...
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How or why did you replace them?? I thought I needed them once back from Alaska, but just took a 50 mile ride and the bike was smooth. So how do you know??? I rather spend the money on J pegs and a back rest.

when you have enough money to buy new ones!

here is my choice for the lt in this order

highway ottomans
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I can ride that bike all day like that.

BTW if your in my neck of the woods any time soon, (NE Ga) your welcome to take the bike for a ride i don't think it will be seeing FL again under me.

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Adding oil to the rear shock pre-load is very easy. It's worth adding oil to the pre-load to see if it makes any difference in handling. I add oil to mine every 4-5 months.
  1. Turn the adjustment assembly upside down and remove the banjo bolt. You will need to hold the hose you removed up to prevent any oil from draining out.
  2. Insert a small rod or screwdriver into the opening and press the adjustment plate down to the bottom of the adjustment assembly.
  3. Add jack oil to bring the level to the top of the reservoir.
Questions about adding shock oil:
1. Are there any concerns with air in the lines like the brakes? If so, how do you bleed the system?
2. What type and weight of oil would one use?

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Mine is an 05 and I added the oil when it only had 9k miles.....

Back to being just like new again.....Hope it lasts this time?

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Maybe this will help..see pix
Mr. Ross,
Thank you for the pictures. I had a pretty good idea of how to add the oil to the shock reservior, but the pictures explained it in perfect detail. I added the oil this afternoon.

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Re: How do you know when to replace your shocks?????

Wow! Did I do this post!?!?

I want to add that the object you use to push down the "plunger" should be something soft. Like a piece of plastic, or a wooden dowel. Nothing with a sharp end.

Also, once removed, as much as possible, keep the loose hydraulic hose pointed upward. This will keep fluid from running out and introducing air into the line.

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Wow! Did I do this post!?!?
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Yep, Like a Blast from the past. But Still very helpful post for ALL the newbies

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Yep, Like a Blast from the past. But Still very helpful post for ALL the newbies

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How do you know when to replace your shocks?????

In my case it was easy, the rear shock snapped in 2.

New Ollins did the trick
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Re: How do you know when to replace your shocks?????

Warden, I first noticed your avatar a few years ago and I must say you are a snappy dresser! Is the round thing around your middle one of those inflateable safety thingeys?

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Warden, I first noticed your avatar a few years ago and I must say you are a snappy dresser! Is the round thing around your middle one of those inflateable safety thingeys?

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It must be in leu of a helmet and boots. If you fall off you will just roll down the road!

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"Light travels faster than sound. That's why most people seem bright until you hear them speak."

The primadonna you speak of is from the original BMW K1200LT advertising pamphlet, circa 1999. She is in my signature and is not my avatar.
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Just remember, adding oil to the remote preload adjuster does not effect the damping abilities of a shock.
My 05 only had 6k on it when I ordered and installed Ohlins. As well as it rode stock, the Ohlins made a heck of an improvement.
When it starts riding like a new GW the shocks are shot.
Absolutely PERFECT way to describe!

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I like printing things like this and putting them in my "how-to" binder.

For those who like to do the same, I have combined Warden's photos into one PDF file, attached below.
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I like printing things like this and putting them in my "how-to" binder.

For those who like to do the same, I have combined Warden's photos into one PDF file, attached below.
Thanks Tony for compiling this. Your suggestion is a good one. It's accessible when the Internet isn't.

Also, Kudos to Warden for the original pics. The explanation is very specific and easy to follow.

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I like printing things like this and putting them in my "how-to" binder.

For those who like to do the same, I have combined Warden's photos into one PDF file, attached below.
Seems like good advice.
So I took it. I followed this thread from thread to thread and viewed the pix. I have a few questions of my own.
If it is not broke don't fix it.
Do the later models have to get this done?
Would I see a leak or experience a difference in ride?
One here even suggested he does it twice a year . . . necessary or just a care?
My warranty is all on me now('09LT) so I guess my manicure days are over. I already saved/print a copy of oil change that goes out to garage with me. Good to have it when I need it. Thanks all shocks 101
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I like printing things like this and putting them in my "how-to" binder.

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If it's not, then this should be in the halls of wisdom.


I had previously asked the same question and even my local dealer's service tech said my old shocks were ok. My 02 LT with 50,000 seemed to be ok until I rode my new K1600 in and out of my driveway. The difference with new shocks was like night and day. My LT would bottom out and I thought that was normal.

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replacement hyperpro springs are about 30% of the cost of replacement shocks if your willing to do the work to change them. they work well mabey not a good as olins but way better than stock
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I had previously asked the same question and even my local dealer's service tech said my old shocks were ok. My 02 LT with 50,000 seemed to be ok until I rode my new K1600 in and out of my driveway. The difference with new shocks was like night and day. My LT would bottom out and I thought that was normal.
I was hoping there was a calibrated way of telling.
Something more scientific or mechanical that indicates time to change/ add oil. Unfortunately my backside does not fit into that category Plus I am at the stage where each day on my saddle increases the bonding with the bike and our winters does not give me too many of those.

I know you had an '02 but I am wondering if the '08 or '09 run into the need to add oil. I am a meager 185 pounds and wife is on the low side of 100 and she does not ride that much. On my out of town trips a backpack rides pillion. With 19K miles I think I have only adjusted a couple times mainly to see how it works and if I could really tell a difference. Now I understand the workings I hate to think my backside was lying to me for all those miles. Plus I added an Air Hawk 2 last season.
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...My 02 LT with 50,000 seemed to be ok until I rode my new K1600 in and out of my driveway. The difference with new shocks was like night and day. My LT would bottom out and I thought that was normal.

Maybe the new bike doesn't do it because it's 200 lbs. lighter.

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I think it's really a little bit less than 100 pounds between the two. It FEELS like a whole lot less though!

But, I could tell a suspension difference and if I had not sold the LT, and after riding another that did not bottom out at the same place, it would have been time to swap them out.


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Re: How do you know when to replace your shocks?????

I am so glad that this thread came back to life, last fall I noticed my 09LT wallering in the corners, I just assumed I would need new shocks I didn't know about the pre loader. I will try adding oil ASAP.

Thanks for all your input/info

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I am so glad that this thread came back to life, last fall I noticed my 09LT wallering in the corners, I just assumed I would need new shocks I didn't know about the pre loader. I will try adding oil ASAP.

Thanks for all your input/info
Be aware that loss of oil in the preloader has absolutely NOTHING to do with the wallowing in corners, or any other aspect of the ride other than ride HEIGHT! If you are bottoming out, and the adjuster has little affect on height when adjusted down, then you need to refill it. It WILL NOT affect the damping affect of the shocks, which is the cause of bouncing over bumps and wallowing in corners. For that you need new shocks.

To check the pre adjuster function, screw the adjuster all the way out (counter clockwise), then start screwing it back down. If you have to turn it more than a couple turns before seeing an affect on the height of the rear of the bike, then re-fill it.

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Be aware that loss of oil in the preloader has absolutely NOTHING to do with the wallowing in corners, or any other aspect of the ride other than ride HEIGHT! If you are bottoming out, and the adjuster has little affect on height when adjusted down, then you need to refill it. It WILL NOT affect the damping affect of the shocks, which is the cause of bouncing over bumps and wallowing in corners. For that you need new shocks.

To check the pre adjuster function, screw the adjuster all the way out (counter clockwise), then start screwing it back down. If you have to turn it more than a couple turns before seeing an affect on the height of the rear of the bike, then re-fill it.

Ok, that pretty well settles it, I'm sure I need new shocks. Not really an expense I want to start the year off with. I'll have to start researching old threads to decide what to get.

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Re: How do you know when to replace your shocks?????

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What is wallowing?

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1: to roll oneself about in a lazy, relaxed, or ungainly manner <hogs wallowing in the mud
2: to billow forth : surge
3: to devote oneself entirely; especially : to take unrestrained pleasure : delight
4a : to become abundantly supplied : luxuriate <a family that wallows in money>
4b : to indulge oneself immoderately <wallowing in self-pity>
5 : to become or remain helpless <allowed them to wallow in their ignorance>

I do feel a few of these while I am on my LT, but none of these seem to apply specifically to corners...

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Thanks Paul for asking/answering the same question I had...and I thought I was the only one.

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dumb ass question alert ...

What is wallowing?

Definition of WALLOW

1: to roll oneself about in a lazy, relaxed, or ungainly manner <hogs wallowing in the mud
2: to billow forth : surge
3: to devote oneself entirely; especially : to take unrestrained pleasure : delight
4a : to become abundantly supplied : luxuriate <a family that wallows in money>
4b : to indulge oneself immoderately <wallowing in self-pity>
5 : to become or remain helpless <allowed them to wallow in their ignorance>

I do feel a few of these while I am on my LT, but none of these seem to apply specifically to corners...
But he said waller, now wallow...

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Ok, that pretty well settles it, I'm sure I need new shocks. Not really an expense I want to start the year off with. I'll have to start researching old threads to decide what to get.
Just curious about your miles.
I have just passed 19,000 on my '09LT regular rides mostly solo and no trailer. Have not noticed any bottoming out as yet. I plan to test on my very first ride. Maybe my behind is as hard as my head
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Just curious about your miles.
I have just passed 19,000 on my '09LT regular rides mostly solo and no trailer. Have not noticed any bottoming out as yet. I plan to test on my very first ride. Maybe my behind is as hard as my head
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I have just over 47,000 on mine. I have trailered it several times for long distances. I haven't felt the bottoming out but in turns it acts strange, kind of bouncing/lunging around the corners. (I won't use the word waller any more! Lol) not quite sure how to describe the behaviour

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One question that was not addressed which happens to be the same questions I have about refilling the pre-loader was, "after refilling the pre-loader, should the rubber hose be bled?" I refilled my pre-loader last night and I donít think there was one drop of oil in it. No oil leaked out when I disconnected the hose. After reinstalling it I wondered if there was air in the line and if there was how it would affect the adjustment. I was wondering if riding the bike and making adjustments over a period of time would the air work its way back into the pre loader. Then I would just refill the pre loader over and over again until the air was gone. Or do I just not worry about it?
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I like printing things like this and putting them in my "how-to" binder.

For those who like to do the same, I have combined Warden's photos into one PDF file, attached below.
and ty for that.....i also have a folder for such things as im a noob at this stuff


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