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Seems like LT's have more problems than they should.

A week ago I rode out to Colorado and down to the four corners from Iowa. I was gone for five days and rode about 2,700 miles. The bike ran great with no problems until the last morning of the trip. I was camped in Sidney, Nebraska and on Sunday morning when I went to take the cover off the bike gas had run out under the bike. I just figured it was one of the quick connects on the gas lines. I removed the right side faring and found the quick connects were ok either one was leaking. The gas was coming from the gasket were the fuel pump and filter is located at the bottom of the tank. I had to remove the other side of the faring, radio, seat and gas tank. This is not a very pleasant job to do in a camp ground. Luckily I do carry all the tools necessary to do the job and I have done it several times on LTís. After removing the tank I was able to remove the fuel pump system out and reposition it with the old gasket and tied it back up and it no longer leaked gas. There was about Ĺ of a gallon of gas in the tank so I could check it and had enough to get to a gas station. I just wanted to know if anyone else has ever had this happen? I had changed the gas filter last September and at that time when I purchased a new gas filter the dealer did not have a new gasket. The old gasket looked fine and I reused it. That has been over 17,000 miles plus over nine months ago.

I rode over 400 miles home with no problem. After getting home I did purchase a new gasket. The bike is a 2005 a little over two years old with 47,000 miles on it. It had about 17,000 miles on it since I had done a complete 12,000 mile check. Last month I did have the rear drive replaced under extended warranty. I decided to go ahead and do the complete check since I had to remove all the faring and tank to replace the new gasket. The valves were all the same as the last two other times I checked them. All of the intake valves are .007 except for two and they are both .006. You can get a .007 in but it is tight. All the exhaust valves are .011, which is what they should be. I replaced the spark plugs with new SplitFire plugs. I replaced the air filter, fuel filter and this time with a new gasket. The fuel quick connects looked good so I have not replaced them but I do have a set of brass double shut off connecters (QCBD-05) on order which I will probably replace before another long trip.

I get so upset with all the problems and maintenance these bikes take. If there was any bike that rode and handled as well as this bike I would trade. I keep thinking about getting a Goldwing and removing the tour pack and getting a rack like the Fort Worth rack. I do not like the tour pack on the LTís. I have the Corbin Smuggler but I do like the rack with soft luggage on the LT. I looked at the Honda ST but I hear so much about the heat problem. I will probably stay with the LT unless I keep have problems.

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Did you say you had 17,000 miles on your LT since the 12K service?? Or was that a misprint you meant 1700 miles??
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12,000 mile check

I have 17,000 miles since I did the last 12,000 mile check. I change oil and filter check all fluids every 3,000 miles but I do not check valves, change air filter and gas filter every 12,000 miles. That would be twice a year and I feel once a year is enough.

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For the amount you (we) ride it, I would say that is the price we pay to have a nice machine.
BMWs are excellent ride but then demand maintenance.
You can have a Honda and run 50K miles between services, but the you have to like your Honda.

Per your gas leaking, There is a note on the service manual that the gas gasket should not be re-used. I learn it on the hard way, like you mine leaked after 2K miles of filter replacement. Since them I've been replacing the gasket too.

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For the amount you (we) ride it, I would say that is the price we pay to have a nice machine.
BMWs are excellent ride but then demand maintenance.
You can have a Honda and run 50K miles between services, but the you have to like your Honda.

Per your gas leaking, There is a note on the service manual that the gas gasket should not be re-used. I learn it on the hard way, like you mine leaked after 2K miles of filter replacement. Since them I've been replacing the gasket too.
I will never change the fuel filter again without the gasket. You are right about Honda. I have a friend that purchased a Goldwing the same week I got my LT. He has about the same miles on his and it has never had one thing done to it outside of tires. It has never been back to the dealer. I have had the radio replaced, one fork seal replaced, transmission output shaft seal replaced and rear drive replaced. Third set of plugs, two gas filters, two air filters,valves checked three times. I just do not like the looks of the Goldwing and do like the LT but I do not know if I will continue.

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Then don't ... Sell it and buy something else ... If you are not willing to keep up with the maintenance, then you need another bike.
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....You are right about Honda. I have a friend that purchased a Goldwing the same week I got my LT. He has about the same miles on his and it has never had one thing done to it outside of tires. It has never been back to the dealer. I have had the radio replaced, one fork seal replaced, transmission output shaft seal replaced and rear drive replaced. Third set of plugs, two gas filters, two air filters,valves checked three times....
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Then don't ... Sell it and buy something else ... If you are not willing to keep up with the maintenance, then you need another bike.
I don't think the radio, fork seal, trans output shaft seal and rear drive, at 17k miles, would be counted as "maintenance!"

I wish people would understand that buying a kraut, er, German machine (wether it be cage or cycle) is a trade off. You ARE NOT going to get the reliability of a rice burner! Plain and simple. But, a rice burner will never FEEL like your BMW (cage or cycle). So, you pay your money and take your choice!

So guys, let's do our homework, then make an informed decision. That way, we don't get caught complaining that the Ford is not a Ferrari!

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Then don't ... Sell it and buy something else ... If you are not willing to keep up with the maintenance, then you need another bike.
Sorry I think I have kept up with the maintenance. It just gets to be a pretty steady job. All I am asking is why do these bikes require so much and others do not?

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I hear you...

I guess I am one of the lucky ones. But I haven't put 47K miles on mine in 2 years. That is alot of miles, even for a cage.. I am putting roughly half that on mine and have been relatively trouble free.

I can understand your frustration. I don't think I could give up mine.

Great to ride, expensive to own. It is just a fact of life ....
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Sorry I think I have kept up with the maintenance. It just gets to be a pretty steady job. All I am asking is why do these bikes require so much and others do not?
Hey Jerry, BMW is real conservative on their maintenance schedules. Do they absolutely need to be followed? Prolly not. I did, but I enjoy doing it to the point that I throw tech sessions so I can work on others bikes, too. Kind of like a high strung horse, they need attention.

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Then don't ... Sell it and buy something else ... If you are not willing to keep up with the maintenance, then you need another bike.
I agree.
This year I decided I wanted another bike as a back up to the LT since it's in the shop so much. There was NO WAY I was buying another BMW, even though I really wanted an R1200GS or possibly (but not very likely) an F650GSD. I sold my airhead and bought a brand new HD. There ya go.
And I can tell you, if I have many more problems with the LT, I'll suck it up and take the (freaking huge) loss in depreciation and sell that one too, although I really hope I don't end up having to do that as I really enjoy my LT when it's running.
Overall, BMW has let me down in reliability, dealer accessibility, re-saleability and their not taking responsibility for inherent flaws such as the slave and the FD problems.
It seems the only thing they got right was FahrvergnŁgen.

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Perhaps I should count my blessings . . .

I bought my '99 used in February and have put 7k miles on it; other than the 6k, annual, and 12k, it's been trouble-free. Lone Star BMW did find the steering dampner bad in April during the 6k and it's been replaced since then.

Overall, I'm impressed with the LT. I have a high expectation of German engineering and reliability and am not disappointed. In fact, it's as reliable as my Sporty.

My issue is the $85/hr rate for servicing. Tech Session will fix that.

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I agree they do seem to be a bit more problematic, but cruise through one of the GW sites, similar to ours. Same thing, talking about mechanical issues and problems.

Think I'll get a yellow V Strom!

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You are right about Honda. I have a friend that purchased a Goldwing the same week I got my LT. He has about the same miles on his and it has never had one thing done to it outside of tires. It has never been back to the dealer.
You need to visit the GW forums once in a while. There you can see what types of problems they are having. In this months Motorcycle Consumer News someone wrote about clutch slippage in 5th gear on a 2006 GW. Honda told the person that with only 5,700 miles on it that it was "user fault" and not covered by warranty, and that it would cost at least $4,000 to repair with parts and labor. They said that the shift fork in high gear was bent.

He also mentioned about a front end wobble/vibration between speeds 35-45. MCN said that there are after market parts to correct the wobble/vibration on this known GW problem that Honda refuses to address.

Our LT's may have their problems, but I would think every bike out there has its own set of issues.

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When I bought my ('03) LT last fall, I was under the impression that German engineering was the best, and I really didn't expect to find there were any major problems with them. I was disapointed, then horrified to start reading about the final drive, clutch slave cylinders, and such. The maint schedule looked like a nightmare.

Since then, I've just accepted the fact that something might break. Or it might not. I've fooled around with bass boats, and guns long enough to know that you hear about the ones that break, but nobody ever bothers to make a post that says "I didn't have any trouble with my bike/boat/gun today." It's not news.

I'm not a fanatic about maintence, but I do like to try to keep up with it. I bought a Clymer manual, and a few tools, and with some help from the folks on this forum I've done some of it myself, and probably will do some more. The stuff that's over my head, I'll have to bite the bullet and pay the dealer, or find someone who knows how to do it, and is willing to show me.

I don't have a lot of experience with bikes, and I'm probably not your typical BMW rider. I suspect most LT riders come to the bike after tying several others. Well this is only my second one, but I can't think of another one I'd want.
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I just wanted to know if anyone else has ever had this happen? I had changed the gas filter last September and at that time when I purchased a new gas filter the dealer did not have a new gasket. The old gasket looked fine and I reused it. That has been over 17,000 miles plus over nine months ago.
I've been following this group and it's predecessor groups for eight years and have never heard of a fuel pump gasket suddenly leaking. If it's installed properly in the first place how could it? It's a big thick rubber gasket under compression. Most likely the screw ring was not tightened properly, or the gasket was kinked when it installed. Either way, you've managed to achieve a failure that is completely unheard of. For the record, I reuse my fuel pump gasket as well. Evidently most dealers do too because they never seem to have them in stock, as you've noticed.

I have 106K miles on my LT and the only repair its ever needed was a rear main seal which I had replaced at 90K miles or so. That makes the LT hands-down the most reliable vehicle I've ever owned. Certainly more reliable than the '99 Suburu of ours that just blew its engine over the weekend.

So do LTs have more problems than they should? Not in my book.

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....Certainly more reliable than the '99 Suburu of ours that just blew its engine over the weekend....
Joel, how many miles on your subby?

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Joel, how many miles on your subby?
Well, the odometer reads 98K. However, it's hard to know exactly because the stupid speedometer head has been intermittent for a long time. To further add insult to injury, we just replaced the clutch a couple of months ago. And in the you'll-never-believe-this department, we just put four new tires on it Thursday. The engine blew on Friday. Got any ideas what to do with an Outback with a catastrophic bottom-end failure, but otherwise in perfect shape ? We just bought the wife a new Honda Accord, and the dealer will give us $1,000 for the Suburu. We've been told the drive train is coveted for building desert runners. Not sure whether to take the $1K and run, or try and sell it on my own.

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Call it Today's Culture

You'll never hear how children didn't do drugs today, people didn't catastrophically impale themselves, etc. It isn't sexy enough.

You make your choices, roll the dice and live by the consequences. There is a thread about rear drive failure rates at 4%. This is huge, but, 96% of "us" are OK.

Show me the article or news cast about the Eagle Scout helping an old lady accross the street and I'll buy the beers.

Pay attention to the machine. Don't cut corners when doing your own maintenance, and pray once in a while.



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When I bought my ('03) LT last fall, I was under the impression that German engineering was the best, and I really didn't expect to find there were any major problems with them. I was disapointed, then horrified to start reading about the final drive, clutch slave cylinders, and such. The maint schedule looked like a nightmare.

Since then, I've just accepted the fact that something might break. Or it might not. I've fooled around with bass boats, and guns long enough to know that you hear about the ones that break, but nobody ever bothers to make a post that says "I didn't have any trouble with my bike/boat/gun today." It's not news.

I'm not a fanatic about maintence, but I do like to try to keep up with it. I bought a Clymer manual, and a few tools, and with some help from the folks on this forum I've done some of it myself, and probably will do some more. The stuff that's over my head, I'll have to bite the bullet and pay the dealer, or find someone who knows how to do it, and is willing to show me.

I don't have a lot of experience with bikes, and I'm probably not your typical BMW rider. I suspect most LT riders come to the bike after tying several others. Well this is only my second one, but I can't think of another one I'd want.
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Part of my fear that I had as I travelled to Alaska and back, was the fear of the rear end failing. Not that the motorcycle showed any sign of it breaking, just all the posts I have read about failing rear ends here. My LT ran great and it gave me confidence that this motor is great motorcycle.

Remember the LT only has been around for 8 years vs. the Goldwing about 20??

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The plugs, fuel filter, and valve check should be done on the wing also!!! Maybe you should ignore your BMW like your friend does his Honda That way if it ain't broke don't fix it...........

I've had my 05 since August 2004 and have not had a single issue..... And after 20 bikes and over 40 years of riding I trust the LT as much or more than any of the others....The LT will match the wing in reliability and durability mile for mile........Pete
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The plugs, fuel filter, and valve check should be done on the wing also!!! Maybe you should ignore your BMW like your friend does his Honda That way if it ain't broke don't fix it...........

I've had my 05 since August 2004 and have not had a single issue..... And after 20 bikes and over 40 years of riding I trust the LT as much or more than any of the others....The LT will match the wing in reliability and durability mile for mile........Pete
This will solve all the LT problems. Just ignore oil leaking out the fork seals, oil on your garage floor from the transmission, rear end replacement and gas leaking on the ground. Don't fix it it ani't broke. I think I know when it is broke.

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You'll never hear how children didn't do drugs today, people didn't catastrophically impale themselves, etc. It isn't sexy enough.

You make your choices, roll the dice and live by the consequences. There is a thread about rear drive failure rates at 4%. This is huge, but, 96% of "us" are OK.

Show me the article or news cast about the Eagle Scout helping an old lady accross the street and I'll buy the beers.

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Well, the odometer reads 98K. However, it's hard to know exactly because the stupid speedometer head has been intermittent for a long time. To further add insult to injury, we just replaced the clutch a couple of months ago. And in the you'll-never-believe-this department, we just put four new tires on it Thursday. The engine blew on Friday. Got any ideas what to do with an Outback with a catastrophic bottom-end failure, but otherwise in perfect shape ? We just bought the wife a new Honda Accord, and the dealer will give us $1,000 for the Suburu. We've been told the drive train is coveted for building desert runners. Not sure whether to take the $1K and run, or try and sell it on my own.
WOW. That sucks! I was asking cause usually those Subbies are bullet proof. 300-400k like Honda and Toyota engines. How much for a lightly used long block?

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post #30 of 30 Old Jul 8th, 2007, 9:53 pm
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: Got any ideas what to do with an Outback with a catastrophic bottom-end failure, but otherwise in perfect shape ?l
Check around on the net, there is a company that sells pulled engines from Japan. It seems they pull the engines after somewhere around 40k miles, someone once told me it was an emissions requirement..not sure if that is right though.
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