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post #1 of 13 Old May 17th, 2020, 8:38 am Thread Starter
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Worth the effort?

I have the opportunity to purchase a 2000 LT with 90,000 miles. Owner states that something broke in the drive train, thinks it's the clutch. He said he was riding it and stopped at a stop sign. Went to pull off and the bike barely moved. Now it won't move on it's own at all. Final drive oil was changed in September. He just bought a new bike and is offering to me for $950. I also know where I can get two others in the $2500-2800 range ready to go. Worth getting the bike and fix or pass and get one of the others?

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post #2 of 13 Old May 17th, 2020, 8:59 am
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Re: Worth the effort?

Sounds more than just clutch but if you cannot see any of the other major components, ABS (can always be bypassed), FD, electrical, then I would say to go for it even if it is just for the satisfaction of knowing you were able to get her back on the road to your standards. Also depends on whether you need a bike right away or can afford to put off riding until this baby is like new again.

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Sounds more than just clutch but if you cannot see any of the other major components, ABS (can always be bypassed), FD, electrical, then I would say to go for it even if it is just for the satisfaction of knowing you were able to get her back on the road to your standards. Also depends on whether you need a bike right away or can afford to put off riding until this baby is like new again.
Nope, no hurry at all. In fact the longer it sits in the garage the more the wife would accept it. Just afraid it would bite more than I could chew.

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Re: Worth the effort?

I bet it is the drive shaft. Two halves connected with a rubber vulcanized connection can let loose. Might be a good chance at a bargain.
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Re: Worth the effort?

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I have the opportunity to purchase a 2000 LT with 90,000 miles. Owner states that something broke in the drive train, thinks it's the clutch. He said he was riding it and stopped at a stop sign. Went to pull off and the bike barely moved. Now it won't move on it's own at all. Final drive oil was changed in September. He just bought a new bike and is offering to me for $950. I also know where I can get two others in the $2500-2800 range ready to go. Worth getting the bike and fix or pass and get one of the others?
I have not seen the bike to make a few static check on it (engine running or not), so what I write below is my best guess based on these facts.
(1) Based on history of problem with the K1200LT/RS design over the years, it could as simple as a
- driveshat: can be found on EBAY for about $US$ 100 USED. Need 2 to 5 few hours of work to change dependent on your mechanical experience. This has already been mentionned by BEECH in previous message.

- brake caliper seized (does the rear wheel turn freely when jacked up on center-stand ??)

- REAR-DRIVE seized / internal damage: not an easy work for a beginner and NOT many good used on EBAY (too many surprises). However we have an expert here on the forum (Saddleman) that rebuild these for a fee with ALL NEW parts. I would plan for at least $500 maybe a bit more

(2) HOWEVER, it could also be a more serious issue related to clutch or transmission. In such case, you need to plan for $US$ 300 to $900 in parts and you need to be competent with major mechanical work. The clutch job (or transmission swap) is a MAJOR JOB on a K1200LT - some dealer charge 13 hours (at roughly $100/hour) but in reality the 1st time you do this you need to plan for at least double of this plus a few tools you may not have.

If you ever need one, you can find a lot of used transmission for a K1200LT on EBAY for about $300 , but it is a bit of crap-shoot buying a complex assy used. In general they are quite reliable, but some have had 1 bearing fail AND/OR splines of the main input shaft damage. In the worst case you plan your budget to buy a 2nd one if the 1st one is bad (assuming in the worst case you cannot be refunded).

(3) I do not clearly understand if the engine is running properly (in neutral) from your message above. The worst scenario is the engine has internal damage and you need to swap with goos used one. This is just a few more hours than a clutch job. However finding a good used engine is a crap-shoot game.

At the end of thh day, IT IS YOUR OWN DECISION to see if you are willing to go for it or not given these costs / risks. I can do the work, but I do not need a K1200LT added to my garage right now ;-)

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post #6 of 13 Old May 17th, 2020, 1:35 pm Thread Starter
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Re: Worth the effort?

It runs nicely and rolls freely in neutral.

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Re: Worth the effort?

No donít buy it. My 2 cents;
Reason #1: You do not know what is wrong with it. The present owner doesnít seem to know what is wrong with it. Why take a chance?
Reason #2: It seems that you are looking for a bargain priced LT, the odds are against you. The purchase price may seem low, but when you factor in parts and labor costs youíll realize that it wasnít a bargain. You may rationalize that if you do the work yourself you will save money to justify the investment, but you may be overlooking the cost of tools, supplies, work space, time spent, and mechanical experience.
Reason #3: 90,000 miles of an unknown vehicle that doesnít work. The maintenance history wasnít mentioned other than changing the final drive oil (did it contain metal filings at the time? etc).
Reason #4: you didnít mention if you ever rode a LT, the current LT for sale obviously doesnít give you that opportunity. You might not like it; one common reason mentioned by some is that it is very heavy and intimidating at very slow speed, etc.
If the other 2 LTís are truly ready to go, maintenance up to date, maintenance records available, and you are able test drive it and like it, then why even consider the $950.00+++++ LT? I donít mean to discourage you, but based on my 90,000+ miles on my 2000 LT I would have to say that it cost me a lot of money to maintain and repair even with strict adherence to routine maintenance and preemptive fixes. My LT may be an exception. The bottom line for me is that I place a premium on the LTís ride, especially compared to other bikes, and the expense in my mind is justified. Whatever you decide good luck and enjoy the ride.
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It runs nicely and rolls freely in neutral.
Ok... given this new post, we can eliminate some of "wost case" mentionned earlier.

ALL test below are static with engine OFF.

1) My next check, if I was on site, would be to put bike on center-stand, turn the rear wheel in neutral, and listen for any abnormal resistance and/or noise. Is rotation jumpy or smooth.

2) Not easy to do with side cases on: try to check for looseness / clearance / movement of the rear-drive assy by holding the rear tire with both hands at 3:00 and 9:00 O-clock posiiton - rocking sideway and pulling more or less on each side. This can also be done by grabbing lower part of tire and pulling at 90 degees angle from each side. If there ANY free-play, it can come from a few places that needs attention - some more expensive than others (internal of rear-drive being the most expensive).

3) My next 2nd check (on center-stand) would be to manually engage transmission down in 1st gear. You may need to manually rotate the rear wheel back and forth to force the gear to mesh because there is no rotation inside transmisison in this test.

4) Next test is to go UP from 1st to 2nd , 3rd.... to 5th. Does it engage ? How much wheel rotation at the tire circumference do you get (assuming the clutch is NOT pulled). The wheel rotation movement should be stopped in such a way that you have about 2 inches "slack" at tire circumference in most gear.

Finally, assuming the transmission and final-drive can go thru all the above test without major grinding noise or issues, I would do the same test above in 3) and 4) with the clutch being pulled. Can you now rotate the wheel freely ? OF COURSE there will aways be more resistance than the free test in neutral, but it should turn freely with clutch pulled.

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Re: Worth the effort?

Got a note back that it rolls around in gear like it's in neutral. Sounds like a drive shaft to me now. The bike is an hour and a half away, so not a short trip to check out.

John McFarland
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Plus I've only been texting him. I will call him tomorrow to get dearer into NFL.

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Re: Worth the effort?

+1 on the driveshaft diagnostic choice. They usually slip badly and suddenly.

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Hello John. I live close. Garfield hts. About 25 minutes away. I don't know, it may or may not be serious. But that gearbox issue doesn't sound promising. You may need to swap it out with a good used one .They're all over Ebay fairly reasonable. But beware taking this on can be alot of work. Your choice. But spending a little more & getting a LT that's ridable may be the way to go. But if you have time & don't mind taking it on then go for it.Again. Up to you. If you need a hand with repairs let me know. I will help if i can.
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Hello John. I live close. Garfield hts. About 25 minutes away. I don't know, it may or may not be serious. But that gearbox issue doesn't sound promising. You may need to swap it out with a good used one .They're all over Ebay fairly reasonable. But beware taking this on can be alot of work. Your choice. But spending a little more & getting a LT that's ridable may be the way to go. But if you have time & don't mind taking it on then go for it.Again. Up to you. If you need a hand with repairs let me know. I will help if i can.
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1978 Honda GW
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